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News & Features Discussion  » [Review] Defiance: Can Fun Overcome Mediocrity?

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5/03/13 1:26:00 PM#41
Can't wait to read a review for Scarlet Blade after the site trashed it right before running ads for it. If it gets higher than Defiance, my head might explode into a spray of brain matter and chocolate.

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5/03/13 1:30:58 PM#42

" No real reason to socialize"


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5/03/13 1:41:12 PM#43

"Defiance is a game that fights with its players to be loved..."

Oh dear... this is SO FREAKIN TRUE!!!



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5/03/13 1:55:07 PM#44

The scoring restored alot of faith into's reviews. Good one!


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5/03/13 2:15:16 PM#45
I think a lot of people don't like it because it is more of shooter than an MMO. I'm a big shooter fan and have really enjoyed Defiance. A lot of people I know like it for the MMO reason, playing with lots of people and working together to take down bosses.  There is a sense of community I feel in the game that a lot of shooter fans just don't get in their game, but Defiance delivers this.  This might also open up those gamers to the MMO world and want to try other games like GW2 or WoW. 

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5/03/13 2:22:14 PM#46

I bought the game and had some fun, untill i got to the cut scenes......

I thought i was an idiot after watching those cut scene.

Whom grand design was it ?

Obviously only stupid kids plays MMO or.... watch SYFY. (aren't they bound to one another?)

Anyway it did good for neither of them.

Don't buy games kids, they are just for stupids kids.

Diablow 3, it sucks ...


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5/03/13 2:35:35 PM#47

I would be lieing if I said I didnt want the game to get a higher rating but I do agree with it.

I look forward to log on every day and everyday I do have a blast playing but yes.. the game needs more polish and maturing and yes the social aspect needs to be improved. I dont fully agree with there being no reason to be social, but the current chat system makes it tricky, adding push to talk and persistant chat windows would make a huge difference.

In short, the game mostly needs to do some maturing.


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5/03/13 3:34:07 PM#48

Decent review, covered the basics, so folks could make an informed decision.    Don't care about the number ratings, those are always screwy.


Bad UI (though it used to be terrible) is a rough one.   Some of the technical flaws are enough to make me happy I haven't jumped on it from alpha/beta.  Not really worth the retail price in my opinion.  They just can't ask for $60 on the console boxes and have it less on the PC.  If you are interested, getting it on sale would be my suggestion.


Right now it does sound like the game is better than the TV show.   Bad writing strikes again!   For a channel supposedly focused on Sci-Fi, they really don't understand the genre at all.  And wrestling!


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5/03/13 3:39:42 PM#49
Add to Cons: One of the most buggy game releases as of right now.

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5/03/13 3:50:42 PM#50
Originally posted by Bushi13

I bought the game and had some fun, untill i got to the cut scenes......

I thought i was an idiot after watching those cut scene.

Whom grand design was it ?

Obviously only stupid kids plays MMO or.... watch SYFY. (aren't they bound to one another?)

Anyway it did good for neither of them.

Don't buy games kids, they are just for stupids kids.

The irony!! lol

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5/03/13 4:11:31 PM#51
Great review. Some fun bits, but too many things poorly designed, poorly implemented, or rushed in to meet launch date. It feels fun at first, but declines pretty quickly. From one day to the next, nothing pulls me in.

On the PC, there are moments when you will wonder if someone intentionally tried to make the interface as annoying and frustrating as they possibly could - if there's a long-term place for this game, it should be the case study for how not to design cross-platform games.

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5/03/13 7:12:56 PM#52

Two major points the OP missed is the fact that the Social score should not have gotten more than a 2 at best and that he left out the major gamebreaking bugs the game STILL has that will randomly cause you to lose boosts you spend RL money on as well as random vehicle rank rollbacks to 1 with zero support from customer service on any of the above issues. 

This game should have gotten a total score of 3.5 at best.


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5/03/13 9:29:12 PM#53
I am confident that Trion will make this game great eventually. I still think Trion is the hardest working company in the mmo industry. They really listen to the players...and that's rare these days.

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5/03/13 9:41:16 PM#54

"Cass the Irathient starts off annoying... and stays that way"


Amen to that.  I didn't know if it was just me or not.

That said, I don't play Defiance very often, but I have fun every time that I do.  I'm not treating it as a main game.  When I feel like unloading clips into things, it's a great game for it.

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5/03/13 11:55:28 PM#55

I gotta agree almost 100% with the review.  I'd give it a ~7-7.5 though, just for fun factor.  I think alot of people get this game wrong.  Most try to treat it like a mmorpg, they want levels, talent trees, lots of skills to fill up 50 hotbars, crafting, and all that stuff.  But Defiance isn't an mmorpg, Like Bill put it,  it's basically a place to run around and shoot things.  If you look at it as a Shooter, it's much more enjoyable.  It has all your shooter wants (except graphics, it's not the worst though) and then some.  


Another thing that people forget is the game will be expanding as the show does.  Maybe it might be slower now, since they're trying to stomp out fires and fix bugs, but it'll get done.  I wouldn't be suprised if one day, unannounced, I get a 1gb patch downloading when I start the game up lol.  I think Trion is one of the fastest developers out there (if not the fastest), they're not like SOE and some others that will have bugs that stick around on 10+ year old games lol.

Edit: Also another thing.  If you have friends the game is 10000% better.  I run around with a full group of friends all the time, it's a blast.


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5/04/13 1:37:02 AM#56
I think the review is fair. I've finished every story and side mission now and have gone back to GW2 as my main game. Defiance is great fun and well worth the purchase price but it doesn't have the longevity of the average mmo. There is a lack of content other than the missions and a limited amount of dynamic events such as Arkfalls and roadside emergencies, which quickly become very repetitive.

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5/04/13 2:16:28 AM#57

Was in alpha, and all beta events.  I knew it wasn't ready for prime time.  Most of the things hit  both good and bad were originally that way in alpha and never really got fixed or addressed (for the bad).  It has and awesome storyline, great Voice Actors, and had some really interesting weapons.  That said, the character progression while interesting, really didn't do it for me and while it had a great breadth with weapon choices both in their how they worked and ammo types, they really didn't have much in depth.  The weaopns really didn't change enough from start to finish enough for me.  Plus there were a slew of exploits and bugs that still weren't fixed at launch that really had me not wanting to play.   Plus the chat and funny jumping/falling physics really irked me.  There were also odd things that happened in vehicles.  All in all, I felt that PS2 had more character progression and better FPSing (while really lacked story or characters), and for the role it was a much better choice for that genre for me than Defiance. 

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5/04/13 2:27:52 AM#58
The game rating should be at the bottom of the article imo so one is actually inclined to read it instead of at the top when I open the page. My eyes were instantly drawn to that ruining any anticipation i might have built up when i clicked the link in the news feed on the main page......but thx for saving me a bit of reading.


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5/04/13 2:31:36 AM#59

Originally posted by GroovyFlower

Then there’s the UI. It works, but it’s really obviously built from the ground up for the PS3 and Xbox users.  It’s just clunky as can be...


Originally posted by Acornia

My bigist problem with the PC version of Defiance is the UI.

I would have to rate the ease of use of the UI as 3. It is a clunky mess were you have to click on many screens just to get to some action that you want to do.

Ease of understanding the PC UI I would have to rate as Zero... The poor PC UI and other game bugs have lead to me not playing Defiance very much anymore.

Originally posted by Dahkoht

Personally regret my purchase because of the horrific PC UI.

I can see where where console users would enjoy the game , it's decent.

For a PC game , especially from Trion who I expect better of (Maybe its a sign of why Hartsman left) , it seems like a shoddy port.

Originally posted by Ghavrigg

This review seems fair. Personally, I regret my purchase. I played it for a couple days, and I doubt I'll log in anytime soon. I found it to be incredibly bland and boring. I really expected better from Trion. Still, as was said, the B2P model at least lets me slip in and out on occasion to see if anything's changed for the better.


I appreciate the review and the comments above which seem to validate the score. I agree with GroovyFlower in part;  I also stay away from games designed for consoles and then are badly ported to the PC. The UI is so important why launch a game that is so gimped?  


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5/04/13 2:31:36 AM#60

I agree with all the individual scores in this review. But I don't agree with the overal score. "Fun" it seems to me gets way to little weighting in the calcatulation of the overal score.

I would give this game a 7.5.

I have been playing since the last open beta weekend, all the while I had problems with my computer causing choppy graphics (due to termal throtteling of the CPU). I just bought a new computer to run defiance, I have been setting it up for the last two days.

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