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News & Features Discussion  » [Column] Elder Scrolls Online: F2P or P2P? Keeping Hush on the Business Model

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4/30/13 2:31:39 PM#61

First, I have to say this completely looks and feels to me like a sub based game.  Second, your entire arguement is flawed by one statement, that there are many quality F2P games out there.   I guess modern MMO PLAYERS don't even know what a quality game is anymore.  There is nothing out like the original SWG, EQ, DAoC, etc... except perhaps EVE and that is a sub based game that is still thriving and making money.   F2P is a sure-fire way to make sure no one cares about your game after the next 'wave' of MMOs are released.   Sub gets deticated fans, IF you have a quality game, and keeps your game alive.   

F2P to make a big splash, Sub to be a lasting game.

If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!


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4/30/13 2:55:05 PM#62
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by danwest58

Because F2P games suck and get little development when they are F2P.  Look at DDO and LOTRO, it takes them forever to get expansions and fixes because they do not have the money to pay developers. 

Lol, right... maybe you should hop over to the LotRO forum and tell your thoughts above in the "New expansion already?!" thread where they complaining that expansions are coming so fast that they don't have enough time to finish everything on T2 :)

Make sure you stay accurate. Keep in mind that from the initial launch of the last ex-pac to "FINALLY" getting all the instance cluster and final x-pac content into game took 9 months.  They are not complaining that x-pacs are getting released to fast, they are complaining that x-pacs are being finallized to slowly with much of the content becoming irrelevant almost as soon as it gets introduced.  Learn to read.


EDIT: as far as the payment model, it's irrelevant, if your game is good people will pay however they need to.  If it sucks donkey balls well.. GL with that


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4/30/13 3:14:25 PM#63
Originally posted by volvoxaureus
how about a subscription about 7 dollars/month ??

I agree with you. Make the subscription feel small, less than a Netflix subscription, have a cash shop that doesn't influence the outcome of PVP or PVE but more cosmetic in nature, and it could still work if the game is good and pumps out enough content. I think $5/month is a good compromise :-).

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4/30/13 3:15:45 PM#64
The real reason why F2P has had such draw lately is that there have been so many utterly underwhelming games released in recent years that gamers simply don't want to invest any money up front on something that has a 95 percent chance of being dissapointing. The hype can be off the charts, the (proffesional) critics can give it rave reviews but when you actualy get that bright shiny new Porche in your turns out to be a Yugo.

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4/30/13 3:16:39 PM#65

if i where to guess its is going to start as a sub and go free to play withen 6 month once they relise almost no one will play P2P games anymore exept hard core fans.

not that i am happy about this but this is probally the way it wil go i kinda hope im wrong but meh we will only know once the game comes out.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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4/30/13 3:21:00 PM#66

B2P or F2P please.


Subscription gaming is a thing of the First Generation MMO's and have no place in an MMO set in 2013-2014.




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4/30/13 3:21:51 PM#67
B2P please. There's no need to go full F2P with all the hype they'll have no trouble selling boxes.

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4/30/13 3:27:39 PM#68
Originally posted by Kyleran

Could the answer be.... both?  Offer different tiers, including a sub model with access to most (if not all) content and then F2P models where you buy content packs, extra bag space, mounts etc?

I think hybrid with multiple options is the way of the future.

Of course that's not the answer, because it makes too much sense. Lol.

But then people will cry about how those kinds of models are p2w because they've seen about two people previously use the term.


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4/30/13 3:28:53 PM#69
If it doesnt suck ass then its going to be p2p.

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4/30/13 4:09:56 PM#70
I just dont get why you would want to be nickel and dimed instead of a subscription....its sick

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4/30/13 4:16:43 PM#71
I really do hope it's the guild wars model. Buy to Play forever.

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4/30/13 4:18:00 PM#72
Originally posted by Tokenaru
I just dont get why you would want to be nickel and dimed instead of a subscription....its sick

You need to put it into persective.

1, a great many people don't pay anything because a small minority are willing to make up the extra money since the payment limit is uncapped for them.

2, some people are willing to, and can,  pay more money if they can get a benefit out of it. The least being something cosmetic. The worst being getting ahead.

a, some people are very well off and paying a greater amount of money isn't really an issue to them. $1000 dollars to some is negligable and to others it's a great deal of money

b, some people shouldn't be paying more but they are compelled to so so because of thier own issues. I know a guy who has payed several thousand dollars in one of these games. His reasoning is that it's his main hobby so why not. He makes an "ok" salary so it "could" be a plausible argument. But maybe it's not to the thinking of others.

3, some people still only allow themselves the "$15 per month as that is what they budget for thier games. More or less depending on the month.


In the end it just depends on which category you see yourself.

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4/30/13 5:07:57 PM#73
I'm hoping it's Buy to Play. If it's free to play, I won't touch it.

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4/30/13 5:11:59 PM#74
I hope there is a monthly fee associated with Teso. I don't want a cash shop at all. Please please please please stop the madness of cash shops and just charge a monthly fee. Please 

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4/30/13 5:50:07 PM#75
Originally posted by ZedTheRock

B2P or F2P please.


Subscription gaming is a thing of the First Generation MMO's and have no place in an MMO set in 2013-2014.


P2P games do have a place now, they just have to be freaking awesome! The only reason why P2P games do not have a place is when they are average / below average which has been the case for a few years now.

P2P is the best option, as you just get to play a game, and play to get stuff. Playing the game to earn an item is more rewarding than just buying an item.

SWTOR (the game being compared to in the article) was a better game when it was just P2P. Subbers actually got free gifts, and free content, now subbers have to pay for gifts, and more content on top of the sub

F2P like SWTOR has no place at all in MMOs, its nickle and diming at its worst



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4/30/13 6:26:48 PM#76

As long as the option exists for me to pay a monthly sub and get everything for the sub then thats fine by me.

As long as the option exists , that people not commited to the game can be excluded from my screen or party even better. If this is pay to win , or indirect F2P model this will sadly be yet another one for the bin.

People will always pay for a decent game , sadly cheap internet and free game access is providing a pool of seriously limited people , thank god lots of decent tactical RPGs are starting to be remade so that some of us will at least have a few decent games to play that requires more than one brain cell.

I love the elder scrolls franchise sadly , no more if we can't have a level playing field.

SWTOR and COS games that could deliver !!



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4/30/13 7:11:29 PM#77
Tough call. I like GW2 but hate the transactions, but dunno if I would still play it for more than $8 a month. My decision is that I go both ways depending on the game and how its ftp.


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4/30/13 7:15:19 PM#78

TESO is going to launch as Pay to play. Unlike Wildstar on the surface TESO looks to have pay to play quality, it technically does but lacks the content and long term appeal to remain that way. 

So expect this one to launch as a pay to play and in the not to distant future convert to buy to play or free to play/freemium model. I don't see a model as bad as SWTOR though when it does convert. 


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4/30/13 7:25:25 PM#79

If they are not going B2P or F2P right from the start it will just end up being one in a very long line of failed P2P games going cheap and ruining it with a sudden F2P change over that isnt well thought out.

Go in with a B2P mindset now and have a good Cash Shop set up at release like GW2 did and maybe, just maybe you wont end up with 500,000+ TES fans that got suckered into buying the game thinking its an actual TES game getting royally pissed off at you and end up NOT getting TES6 when its released...and who knows, if you do it right, you may end up making far more than you thought you ever would.

This game has no chance of retaining most of its playerbase if it sells well, its the DaoC model and it isnt popular due to its gameplay limitations. Most MMO players have never tasted it, many have voiced they dont like closed off faction lands and its already well know what TES fans think of it.

They already shot themselves in the foot with the design model, why now take a shotgun and blow your leg off at the knee with p2p?


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4/30/13 7:41:09 PM#80

buy to play, or subscription based


why?  bercause from reading all these forums all these years i am convinced  75% of the people that play  these games nowdays are bums, cheapos, users and abusers, out for the free ride and trash on everything they can, if it impedes their free ride , because each of those 75% are convinced they know it the best, they have the right answer, and they are the smartest.

it doesnt matter that any game, no matter how good, has to tie into a players inborn imagination to really become great in that players eyes.

most of us that started out playing 20 years ago also played things like dungeons and dragons, warhammer, ect.

nowdays  lol most people dont even know what D&D really was or is, outside of the online line game  for which it stands.


no loyaty

no  retention

no responcibility

and internet anomnymity (sp?)

the four horsemen of the decline of the industry.


Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

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