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  nariusseldon

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4/30/13 4:37:10 PM#121
Originally posted by Tjed
Boycotting the game isn't going to do much to acomplish any type of precieved goal.  Also, I'm having a lot of fun playing this game, you should give it a try.

I definitely will, since it is F2P.

  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

4/30/13 4:37:51 PM#122
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by nariusseldon

No. Research shows that most F2P players don't pay a dime.

Personally i don't pay a dime. You don't need to unlock everything to have fun.

You're also someone who has said time and time again you don't care for in-game community, you switch games every few months and you play MMO like single player games.

Your opinion is noted, but pretty irrelevant since you will be unable to see cash-shop issues because you jump from MMO to MMO every time the sun comes up.

You mean i solve the cash shop issue by jump from MMO to MMO.

Yes, it is a way to get rid of the cash shop issue, with the added bonus of having something new to play.

some of us prefer to immmerse ourselve in MMOs rather then hope around, to be honest if i wanted to do that id would just stick to SP games or CO-OP games with friends since those normally are made better anyway for those aspects.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  GrumpyMel2

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4/30/13 5:18:25 PM#123

This is pretty simple to me. I play games to have fun playing games, NOT to participate in some Fantasy RPG version of the Home Shopping Network.  Part of the fun of playing games is seeing what you are able to achieve based on your own abilities to PLAY the game, not shop in an item mall.

Now back in the day, in single play games there were these things called "cheats" which allowed the player to artificialy boost thier abilities and make the game easier to beat. Players who got frustrated with the games difficulty level used them to make the game easier to play for them...those of us who didn't want that didn't use them. Since it was all single-player, no harm, no foul.

Fast forward to today and we have the item mall which is the modern MMO equivalent of a "cheat". I'd honestly have no problem with that....save for the fact that it's a multi-user environment...it's not really alot of fun playing a game with other players who are playing on a different "difficulty mode" then you are, and the MMO Developers is considering those "cheats" as thier main mode of income, so they are building the game with the expectation that a player will buy them.

Bottom line, I WON'T buy a "cheat" in a game, ever....not even a minor inconsequential one. It's not part of what is FUN about games for me...and I won't waste my time doing things that aren't fun. If a game is still FUN for me to play without buying cheats, then I will.....Too bad for that Developer though, as I do believe that people who provide a quality service should be fairly paid for thier work.....they've lost money I WOULD otherwise have paid them by basing thier revenue model on something that directly detracts from my fun in playing thier game.

If the game isn't fun without buying a "cheat"....then I won't play....if that means I never buy another MMO again....no big loss, there are so many other fun things in life to do.

Note, I'm not looking down on anyone who buys a "cheat"....loaded word I know..... if it's still fun for you doing that, good for you. It's just incompatible with what I find fun.

As far as Neverwinter......it pretty much got written off for me when I saw it was Cryptic producing it. Perfect Worlds involvement just sealed the deal. A companies past behavior is perdictive of future performance.....and muy time is too valuable to me to waste on bad bets. YMMV.

  Wakygreek

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Joined: 4/30/08
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Reason is a necessity

4/30/13 5:24:19 PM#124

Has anyone even found hard evidence that this is B2W? I have seen these threads come up before for Neverwinter but I still havn't seen anything more then speculation? I understand the prices are higher then people want, but that is not enough of a case to call it B2W.

Anyone in game or have been playing in game that can comment further on this?

  Torgrim

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Joined: 12/15/05
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4/30/13 5:27:25 PM#125
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Torgrim
I boycotted this game as soon as I knew Cryptic was behind the wheel.

So, your saying instead of giving a chance to a developer, you would just turn a cheek and ignore a game?

 

Yes with Cryptic track record and their own words that they can make a MMO in 2 years tells me that.

If you know anything about Cryptic then you should know that they are the Mc Donalds of MMORPGS, they just want to pump out as much games as possible in the shortest time with a massive item shop.

Why in hell should I give these clowns a second chance when they raped Star Trek IP and now the Forgotten Realms IP?

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  Gravarg

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4/30/13 5:36:33 PM#126
You got it all wrong, you should play them, just don't pay anything...that way they still have to buy bandwidth for you to use up :D
  Derros

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Posts: 1026

4/30/13 5:41:06 PM#127
Originally posted by Wakygreek

Has anyone even found hard evidence that this is B2W? I have seen these threads come up before for Neverwinter but I still havn't seen anything more then speculation? I understand the prices are higher then people want, but that is not enough of a case to call it B2W.

Anyone in game or have been playing in game that can comment further on this?

Not true P2W, although the founder companion and weapon make the first 20 levels or so VERY easy (not that they arent already easy). 

 

Many of the store items are VERY convienient though, things that would make life alot more pleasant but that wil cost you, like bags, which you can only get very few of through quests, mounts, which help alot later on and the top tier ones are VERY expensive both in store ($40) and in game currency, and respec tokens ($6).  Character slots are very reasonably priced at 2 for $5. 

If things like the bags were account wide rather than just 1 character I would have a much easier time buying one or 2.

  rygard49

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Joined: 3/22/11
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4/30/13 5:48:50 PM#128
The cash shop is a ripoff, but that doesn't mean the gameplay is bad. I'll try it out just to see what the foundry is all about (I'm hoping like a SimDungeon type of thing), but I will never spend a dime in any cash shop.
  Scot

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Joined: 10/10/03
Posts: 5419

5/01/13 4:05:53 AM#129

I don't look at games which are not out with enough detail to comment on the cash shop.

But anyone who thought F2P was about playing for free needs their head examined. To those of you who talk about playing without needing to play I will say this. Do you really think it ends here? Do you really think the need to use the cash shop will not creep in more and more until it becomes very difficult to play without using it?

Cash shops are about making money. F2P is about making money. F2P is becoming B2W which in turn will become 'pay now and then' with a B2W option.

  GroovyFlower

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Joined: 5/12/11
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Skyrim

5/01/13 4:13:34 AM#130
Originally posted by Daranar

I am so tired of gaming companies thinking they can make games that require your continual purchase of items, unlocks, skills, etc... to be succesful or even to just enjoy it.   Let me BUY the game and enjoy it freely.   Sure, item malls may be a great way to fund continual development.  Fine, give me cosmetics to buy or 10% boosts, not double!!   IMO best item mall is Defiance, it is definately not B2W (Buy To Win).   

If we players continue to support this method of B2W, we will continue to see more dissapointing games.   This is why I am boycotting Neverwinter by not even creating an account.   I don't want to even be a POTENTIAL dollar in their eyes.   This is why I have not returned to SWTOR in months.   And SWTOR is a game which disgusts me on an even deeper lvl.  Not only is their a subscription, but then you are encouraged to spend spend spend in the item mall for packs to get items that idiot players price in the millions (credits).   If I am a subscriber, why should I be buying item mall items?   Is $15 dollars a month no longer enough for access to obtain everythihng in the game?  Because I remember when $8 dollars a month was.    

I am gladly willing to spend almost $200 a year (excluding any expansions) on a video game, how is that enough for you stingy publishers?  And comment as you will, but don't try to answer my final questions.  It simply cannot be resonably answered.

Sinds when you have items malls in games 2005?

Ive not spent one dime in all these years and never will so your late to come to conclusion to boycot it lol.

Will it help no not realy there more games these days with cashshops then ever before it alinate me more and more from mmo's but seems popular by 99% of all other players.

So if you stick to boycot like me then your playing soon only solo games or 100% free cashshop games.

  Cetra

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Joined: 3/05/04
Posts: 371

5/01/13 4:20:14 AM#131
Originally posted by Wakygreek

Has anyone even found hard evidence that this is B2W? I have seen these threads come up before for Neverwinter but I still havn't seen anything more then speculation? I understand the prices are higher then people want, but that is not enough of a case to call it B2W.

Anyone in game or have been playing in game that can comment further on this?

its not B2W. Win against what seriously???

This pay to win topic pops up in every b2p,f2p games. Even Gw2. These ppl are simply LOSERS who cant pay shit and think the game companies are their parents.

  genoshan

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5/01/13 4:43:35 AM#132

After GW2 had a Halloween Sale on cosmetics for weapons etc, I ponied up. I had previously bought the bags and a few other minor items. I didn't mind, as my theory was, I normally pay $15/month and I will spend the same here.

 

Then came the Halloween sale of keys for chests. $50 later I got nothing but garbage. I uninstalled and vowed not to play and games with an item mall. Been 6 months now and plan on staying with it. I am also an older MMO player, and much prefer the old subscription model, where it is the same for everyone, not the favouring people who spend the most.

  GroovyFlower

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5/01/13 8:32:41 AM#133
Originally posted by genoshan

After GW2 had a Halloween Sale on cosmetics for weapons etc, I ponied up. I had previously bought the bags and a few other minor items. I didn't mind, as my theory was, I normally pay $15/month and I will spend the same here.

 

Then came the Halloween sale of keys for chests. $50 later I got nothing but garbage. I uninstalled and vowed not to play and games with an item mall. Been 6 months now and plan on staying with it. I am also an older MMO player, and much prefer the old subscription model, where it is the same for everyone, not the favouring people who spend the most.

Last i played GW2 was couple months ago when they keep pushing you to buy stuff in cashshop.

Now GW2 is cashshop/dungeon grind game and is not game i thought it would be during beta and launch.

Still got my collectors edition with CHARR statue getting dust spent 150 euros on game i quit after few months lol.

  GroovyFlower

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5/01/13 8:36:53 AM#134
Originally posted by Cetra
Originally posted by Wakygreek

Has anyone even found hard evidence that this is B2W? I have seen these threads come up before for Neverwinter but I still havn't seen anything more then speculation? I understand the prices are higher then people want, but that is not enough of a case to call it B2W.

Anyone in game or have been playing in game that can comment further on this?

its not B2W. Win against what seriously???

This pay to win topic pops up in every b2p,f2p games. Even Gw2. These ppl are simply LOSERS who cant pay shit and think the game companies are their parents.

I can buy more then avarage i got all my games still in boxes with speciall editions but i wont buy in cashshops period if its cosmetic or items that can win.

Btw in GW2 many things you can buy maybe dont win pvp matches but it influence the trade ALOT and game community if you dont see this thats your loss, but GW2 became a cashshop game.

  Mtibbs1989

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5/01/13 8:37:27 AM#135
Originally posted by Daranar

I am so tired of gaming companies thinking they can make games that require your continual purchase of items, unlocks, skills, etc... to be succesful or even to just enjoy it.   Let me BUY the game and enjoy it freely.   Sure, item malls may be a great way to fund continual development.  Fine, give me cosmetics to buy or 10% boosts, not double!!   IMO best item mall is Defiance, it is definately not B2W (Buy To Win).   

If we players continue to support this method of B2W, we will continue to see more dissapointing games.   This is why I am boycotting Neverwinter by not even creating an account.   I don't want to even be a POTENTIAL dollar in their eyes.   This is why I have not returned to SWTOR in months.   And SWTOR is a game which disgusts me on an even deeper lvl.  Not only is their a subscription, but then you are encouraged to spend spend spend in the item mall for packs to get items that idiot players price in the millions (credits).   If I am a subscriber, why should I be buying item mall items?   Is $15 dollars a month no longer enough for access to obtain everythihng in the game?  Because I remember when $8 dollars a month was.    

I am gladly willing to spend almost $200 a year (excluding any expansions) on a video game, how is that enough for you stingy publishers?  And comment as you will, but don't try to answer my final questions.  It simply cannot be resonably answered.

 I'm boycotting Neverwinter too, These queues are too damn long (however the game is enjoyable, I'll wait)!

 You must not know how popular this game is right now, let me just tell you. I logged in today with a queue of ~12,000. There has never been a game on its release that I've played with a queue that massive and you know what. I don't think these players really care that much about the tiny things that are being sold for 5-10 dollars on the cash shop. I know I don't care because those items on the cash shop don't hurt my gaming experience. After all Neverwinter is a PvE based game!


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  furbans

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5/01/13 8:42:17 AM#136
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Daranar

I am so tired of gaming companies thinking they can make games that require your continual purchase of items, unlocks, skills, etc... to be succesful or even to just enjoy it.   Let me BUY the game and enjoy it freely.   Sure, item malls may be a great way to fund continual development.  Fine, give me cosmetics to buy or 10% boosts, not double!!   IMO best item mall is Defiance, it is definately not B2W (Buy To Win).   

If we players continue to support this method of B2W, we will continue to see more dissapointing games.   This is why I am boycotting Neverwinter by not even creating an account.   I don't want to even be a POTENTIAL dollar in their eyes.   This is why I have not returned to SWTOR in months.   And SWTOR is a game which disgusts me on an even deeper lvl.  Not only is their a subscription, but then you are encouraged to spend spend spend in the item mall for packs to get items that idiot players price in the millions (credits).   If I am a subscriber, why should I be buying item mall items?   Is $15 dollars a month no longer enough for access to obtain everythihng in the game?  Because I remember when $8 dollars a month was.    

I am gladly willing to spend almost $200 a year (excluding any expansions) on a video game, how is that enough for you stingy publishers?  And comment as you will, but don't try to answer my final questions.  It simply cannot be resonably answered.

 I'm boycotting Neverwinter too, These queues are too damn long (however the game is enjoyable, I'll wait)!

 You must not know how popular this game is right now, let me just tell you. I logged in today with a queue of ~12,000. There has never been a game on its release that I've played with a queue that massive and you know what. I don't think these players really care that much about the tiny things that are being sold for 5-10 dollars on the cash shop. I know I don't care because those items on the cash shop don't hurt my gaming experience. After all Neverwinter is a PvE based game!

Its LAUNCH day, while not official its still a launch technically just not officially stated.  Every game has this, wait a month n then see how things are.  Guarantee that people will be screaming for server merges since I don't see any longevity in the game, especially with ESO and Wildstar coming out at the end of the year that look way more promising.

Neverwinter will be a very niche game.

  Bigbadwlf

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5/01/13 9:01:13 AM#137

I agree with the OP.

Neverwinter is a low budget IP cash grab MMO, just like Star Trek Online is.

Cryptic's model of game design is to make an MMO as cheaply as possible, milk the playerbase as much as they can, and then move on to their next cash cow leaving their player base to rot in their old games (see: Champions Online).

I'm sorry to be blunt but the only way to stop PWE's / Cryptic's greed is for Neverwinter to flop before they can make their money back and buy a new IP cash cow with it.

For sake of future MMO's being truly free and not freeium, Neverwinter has to die.

  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7493

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

5/01/13 9:06:06 AM#138
Originally posted by Torgrim
I boycotted this game as soon as I knew Cryptic was behind the wheel.

 

Perfect World didn't exactly inspire me either, have to say.

  f0dell54

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Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

5/01/13 9:09:52 AM#139
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Sulaa
I've stopped playing any mmorpg with item mall, whcih kinda meant I've stopped playing any mmoprg at all.   It's rather interesting to watch from side-lines in between RL and playing other genres and types of games.

Go  back to wow, thats still your best option... The last fully subscription mmo left....

Guess all these fluff ass pets and mounts only make people angry in games they don't like.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:5

Rift is less microtranscription then WoW.

  nariusseldon

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Posts: 20650

5/01/13 11:55:18 AM#140
Originally posted by furbans
 

Its LAUNCH day, while not official its still a launch technically just not officially stated.  Every game has this, wait a month n then see how things are.  Guarantee that people will be screaming for server merges since I don't see any longevity in the game, especially with ESO and Wildstar coming out at the end of the year that look way more promising.

Neverwinter will be a very niche game.

That i don't care. Do they have some fun content? It is a F2P game, right? It would be great if i can have a few free fun weeks.

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