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  david06

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4/30/13 2:29:58 PM#21

Ben Kuchera? Yeah, after that massive hissy fit he threw over Erik Kain awhile back I don't hold a very high opinion of him.


He's basically complaining that fans sent him a bunch of emails.


I'm in for $25. If it funds, then great. If not, then better luck next time.

  Dahkoht

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4/30/13 2:30:57 PM#22
Originally posted by Sebali
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
That's exactly why I didn't back this game.. The CU fanboys started annoying the fuck out of me with their constant spamming of pointless threads and the constant begging.  I'll still play the game when it launches though..

i have a horrible feeling this is going to make the GW2 fanboy spamming look like lil school girls antics. we're gonna have years of this CU crap to deal with.

and i have a feeling the game will be just as much of a letdown as GW2 was

I've said in other threads this is the first group I've seen to surpass the early beta Vanguard fanatics and McQuaid worshippers.

I thought I'd never see that surpassed.

  chaintm

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OP  4/30/13 2:31:24 PM#23
Originally posted by Eraserhead

 


I’ve spoken to multiple editors about this issue, and they all expressed annoyance at the Camelot Unchained spam, and this has led most of us to not cover the game

What drivel. Any decent "editor" of a decent website will not refuse to cover a game out of spite. Editors write about what's relevant and what they think readers want. If they don't cover something that they would have previously then the website probably isn't worth reading.

 

Having said that, mailbombing isn't the best idea in the world.

We are all people, regular people, if you got that spam and had editorial power, trust me you would do the same thing. All you have to do is realize that pretty much we are all human beings. Each of us have our "opinions", but in the world of media who get bombarded with request daily, seeing repeated "spam" hit their in box, yeah that's a big red flag. We have spam boxes for a reason. Hey don't take me wrong, I hope they get their game, I have said in the past I don't for I worry what will come is not what everyone in this kickstarter would want and it's only going to be bad. This example of spam is a prime example of expectations, I would dread being in Mark's shoes atm. I have a feeling he might be thinking the same.

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  dotdotdash

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4/30/13 2:31:54 PM#24

Counterpoint:

It is up to Penny Arcade to put in place a system capable of dealing with such consumer action. That way, fans can be as passionate and organised as they want and PA and co don't have to deal with the negative consequences of such action.

I can see what Ben is saying; it is unpleasant to have to deal with hundreds and hundreds of emails that say the same thing. The problem is that Penny Arcade and other outlets open themselves up to such action by soliciting suggestions, and by broadcasting their contact information for people to use.

The solution isn't to say "the fans of a game have sent us passionate emails that are causing us some issues, so in response to that we're not going to cover that game (and thus punish the business involved)". The business - City State Entertainment - did nothing to PA. PA are in effect boycotting one group of people for the actions of a totally different group of people, even though the group they're boycotting have limited influence over the other group (and did attempt on several occasions to stop the behaviour). That displays a distinct lack of professional courtesy and integrity.

The solution is to say "right, so... we've had this problem before (ed: as the article suggested they have had this problem before), and now we have this problem again. HOW do >WE< deal with this, so that fans can continue to express themselves and we don't have to suffer the negative consequences involved (but can still glean the information we need to provide our readers with the media they want)." That's the right solution, the professional solution, and the solution I'd expect a company worth millions of dollars that has a great deal of experience in dealing with such massive groups of consumers (they organise conventions ffs) to pursue.

Movie studios and various other organisations have come up with a myriad of ways to deal with such consumer action. It's a well documented phenomenon, and several workable (and cost effective) systems have been developed to deal with it. PA and others may not like it, but it comes with the territory (and... again... the article suggests they already knew this).

P.S. I don't care about CU.

  Rzep

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4/30/13 2:36:02 PM#25
Good article. I have actively avoided ever looking at the games Kickstarter page cause I had enough of it after countless people kept nagging others on every forum to support it.
  Koroshiya

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4/30/13 2:36:36 PM#26
Originally posted by Tuktz
I see it as a couple of fans got a little over zealous with their requests of major gaming sites to offer coverage of CU since they haven't been, and rather than handle it more professionally PA wrote that article in a kind of whiny "anything I don't want to read I consider spam". I mean isn't it editors jobs to sift through stuff to present the news? So in a way it seemed like whining about what they do.....

not a rabid CU fan, was a rabid DAoC fan but I haven't emailed anyone or backed them yet.... 

 

with that said, I agree here and it might just get me to support CU even if only at 25 dollar level.  Penny Arcade, quit your whining.  You are in existance today because of gamers who have the kinda passion CU gamers do.  If you don't like dealing with end user spam, don't get involved in the industry.  It's a freaking given that most gamers who care enough to email sometimes will go overboard.  Anyone who works in the industry knows, if they get important enough, will have to deal with this kind of situation.  Maybe they should stick to just writing comics then and not reviewing games or having a website.

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  Onomas

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4/30/13 2:37:56 PM#27
I didn't back CU for this very reason. And I love games like this. Was a hard choice. Do hope people learned their lesson and that goes for mmorpg.com as well.
  Saxonblade

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4/30/13 2:39:06 PM#28
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sebali
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
That's exactly why I didn't back this game.. The CU fanboys started annoying the fuck out of me with their constant spamming of pointless threads and the constant begging.  I'll still play the game when it launches though..

i have a horrible feeling this is going to make the GW2 fanboy spamming look like lil school girls antics. we're gonna have years of this CU crap to deal with.

and i have a feeling the game will be just as much of a letdown as GW2 was

I've said in other threads this is the first group I've seen to surpass the early beta Vanguard fanatics and McQuaid worshippers.

I thought I'd never see that surpassed.

I know right, and the funny thing is this guy has never made an MMO that had positive growth after six months, in fact had the largest mass exodus in MMO history.

  chaintm

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"Shutting down threads sense 2004"

 
OP  4/30/13 2:40:05 PM#29
The same annoyiance can be found here, people that support the KS here counter and anti-spam those that don't like it and visa versa, The only reason however this kickstarter is sooo prominate here is the spammers. Look at the most highly posted individuals on this kickstarter and their history is only CU and only on a few threads after being warned not to make new threads on the same subject. The same spam in emails has been happening here sense day one.

"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  chaintm

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OP  4/30/13 2:41:55 PM#30
[mod edit]

True that, we get "heated" but so far pretty much just talk about our opinions on the subject which is a breath of fresh air, thnx to all for keeping it civil.

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  belatucadros

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4/30/13 2:42:11 PM#31
Originally posted by Saxonblade
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sebali
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
That's exactly why I didn't back this game.. The CU fanboys started annoying the fuck out of me with their constant spamming of pointless threads and the constant begging.  I'll still play the game when it launches though..

i have a horrible feeling this is going to make the GW2 fanboy spamming look like lil school girls antics. we're gonna have years of this CU crap to deal with.

and i have a feeling the game will be just as much of a letdown as GW2 was

I've said in other threads this is the first group I've seen to surpass the early beta Vanguard fanatics and McQuaid worshippers.

I thought I'd never see that surpassed.

I know right, and the funny thing is this guy has never made an MMO that had positive growth after six months, in fact had the largest mass exodus in MMO history.

DAOC's numbers didn't really drop until WOW/TOA, to be fair.

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  dantheman13

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4/30/13 2:42:15 PM#32
Originally posted by dotdotdash

Counterpoint:

It is up to Penny Arcade to put in place a system capable of dealing with such consumer action. That way, fans can be as passionate and organised as they want and PA and co don't have to deal with the negative consequences of such action.

I can see what Ben is saying; it is unpleasant to have to deal with hundreds and hundreds of emails that say the same thing. The problem is that Penny Arcade and other outlets open themselves up to such action by soliciting suggestions, and by broadcasting their contact information for people to use.

The solution isn't to say "the fans of a game have sent us passionate emails that are causing us some issues, so in response to that we're not going to cover that game (and thus punish the business involved)". The business - City State Entertainment - did nothing to PA. PA are in effect boycotting one group of people for the actions of a totally different group of people, even though the group they're boycotting have limited influence over the other group (and did attempt on several occasions to stop the behaviour). That displays a distinct lack of professional courtesy and integrity.

The solution is to say "right, so... we've had this problem before (ed: as the article suggested they have had this problem before), and now we have this problem again. HOW do >WE< deal with this, so that fans can continue to express themselves and we don't have to suffer the negative consequences involved (but can still glean the information we need to provide our readers with the media they want)." That's the right solution, the professional solution, and the solution I'd expect a company worth millions of dollars that has a great deal of experience in dealing with such massive groups of consumers (they organise conventions ffs) to pursue.

Movie studios and various other organisations have come up with a myriad of ways to deal with such consumer action. It's a well documented phenomenon, and several workable (and cost effective) systems have been developed to deal with it. PA and others may not like it, but it comes with the territory (and... again... the article suggests they already knew this).

P.S. I don't care about CU.

Well said.  PA's reaction to the "spamming" is childish at best.  Politicians around the world often get email bombed by pre-written email messages by grassroots organizations.  Such emails have curbed evil things like SOPA and other nasty laws and government policies.  As long as these emails were not automatically generated, which by the sounds of the article there is no proof that they were, PA should have done the responsible thing and taken the emails as a sign of a passionate community that should not be ignored.  Their refusal to cover the game only makes them a questionable and lazy gaming news outlet for me.   

  Saxonblade

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4/30/13 2:45:40 PM#33
Originally posted by belatucadros
Originally posted by Saxonblade
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sebali
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
That's exactly why I didn't back this game.. The CU fanboys started annoying the fuck out of me with their constant spamming of pointless threads and the constant begging.  I'll still play the game when it launches though..

i have a horrible feeling this is going to make the GW2 fanboy spamming look like lil school girls antics. we're gonna have years of this CU crap to deal with.

and i have a feeling the game will be just as much of a letdown as GW2 was

I've said in other threads this is the first group I've seen to surpass the early beta Vanguard fanatics and McQuaid worshippers.

I thought I'd never see that surpassed.

I know right, and the funny thing is this guy has never made an MMO that had positive growth after six months, in fact had the largest mass exodus in MMO history.

DAOC's numbers didn't really drop until WOW/TOA, to be fair.

TOA came out way before WoW, to be fair  October 28, 2003, so that is totaly irreleveant, WoW was released over a year later. Why do so many uninformed fans say ToA was in reponse to WoW.

  Vorthanion

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4/30/13 2:46:44 PM#34
[mod edit]

  chaintm

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OP  4/30/13 2:48:00 PM#35
Originally posted by dantheman13

Well said.  PA's reaction to the "spamming" is childish at best.  Politicians around the world often get email bombed by pre-written email messages by grassroots organizations.  Such emails have curbed evil things like SOPA and other nasty laws and government policies.  As long as these emails were not automatically generated, which by the sounds of the article there is no proof that they were, PA should have done the responsible thing and taken the emails as a sign of a passionate community that should not be ignored.  Their refusal to cover the game only makes them a questionable and lazy gaming news outlet for me.   

Me spamming an media outlet with say 10 or 100 emails on the same topic with the same content is spam not passion.

 

edit: case in point, they got the attention they wanted, but the wrong type, if you read the article as well you would also note the editor asked other media outlet contacts if they recieved the same spam and indeed they have all with the same thoughts that they won't give it coverage due to this. Like it or not, again we have spam boxes for a reason. Media outlets are that, media outlets, but you can choose to read/listen/watch those you prefer too, they are not bound by some oath to cover anything, it is their choice. I love PCgamer, I know a few million subcribers that do, but I bet people here can't stand them.

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  Vorthanion

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4/30/13 2:49:31 PM#36
Originally posted by dantheman13
Originally posted by dotdotdash

Counterpoint:

It is up to Penny Arcade to put in place a system capable of dealing with such consumer action. That way, fans can be as passionate and organised as they want and PA and co don't have to deal with the negative consequences of such action.

I can see what Ben is saying; it is unpleasant to have to deal with hundreds and hundreds of emails that say the same thing. The problem is that Penny Arcade and other outlets open themselves up to such action by soliciting suggestions, and by broadcasting their contact information for people to use.

The solution isn't to say "the fans of a game have sent us passionate emails that are causing us some issues, so in response to that we're not going to cover that game (and thus punish the business involved)". The business - City State Entertainment - did nothing to PA. PA are in effect boycotting one group of people for the actions of a totally different group of people, even though the group they're boycotting have limited influence over the other group (and did attempt on several occasions to stop the behaviour). That displays a distinct lack of professional courtesy and integrity.

The solution is to say "right, so... we've had this problem before (ed: as the article suggested they have had this problem before), and now we have this problem again. HOW do >WE< deal with this, so that fans can continue to express themselves and we don't have to suffer the negative consequences involved (but can still glean the information we need to provide our readers with the media they want)." That's the right solution, the professional solution, and the solution I'd expect a company worth millions of dollars that has a great deal of experience in dealing with such massive groups of consumers (they organise conventions ffs) to pursue.

Movie studios and various other organisations have come up with a myriad of ways to deal with such consumer action. It's a well documented phenomenon, and several workable (and cost effective) systems have been developed to deal with it. PA and others may not like it, but it comes with the territory (and... again... the article suggests they already knew this).

P.S. I don't care about CU.

Well said.  PA's reaction to the "spamming" is childish at best.  Politicians around the world often get email bombed by pre-written email messages by grassroots organizations.  Such emails have curbed evil things like SOPA and other nasty laws and government policies.  As long as these emails were not automatically generated, which by the sounds of the article there is no proof that they were, PA should have done the responsible thing and taken the emails as a sign of a passionate community that should not be ignored.  Their refusal to cover the game only makes them a questionable and lazy gaming news outlet for me.   

What an illogical and nonsensical comparison.  Obviously from your argument, anyone who disagrees with what you believe is childish.

  dotdotdash

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4/30/13 2:50:45 PM#37


Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by dantheman13

Originally posted by dotdotdash Counterpoint: It is up to Penny Arcade to put in place a system capable of dealing with such consumer action. That way, fans can be as passionate and organised as they want and PA and co don't have to deal with the negative consequences of such action. I can see what Ben is saying; it is unpleasant to have to deal with hundreds and hundreds of emails that say the same thing. The problem is that Penny Arcade and other outlets open themselves up to such action by soliciting suggestions, and by broadcasting their contact information for people to use. The solution isn't to say "the fans of a game have sent us passionate emails that are causing us some issues, so in response to that we're not going to cover that game (and thus punish the business involved)". The business - City State Entertainment - did nothing to PA. PA are in effect boycotting one group of people for the actions of a totally different group of people, even though the group they're boycotting have limited influence over the other group (and did attempt on several occasions to stop the behaviour). That displays a distinct lack of professional courtesy and integrity. The solution is to say "right, so... we've had this problem before (ed: as the article suggested they have had this problem before), and now we have this problem again. HOW do >WE< deal with this, so that fans can continue to express themselves and we don't have to suffer the negative consequences involved (but can still glean the information we need to provide our readers with the media they want)." That's the right solution, the professional solution, and the solution I'd expect a company worth millions of dollars that has a great deal of experience in dealing with such massive groups of consumers (they organise conventions ffs) to pursue. Movie studios and various other organisations have come up with a myriad of ways to deal with such consumer action. It's a well documented phenomenon, and several workable (and cost effective) systems have been developed to deal with it. PA and others may not like it, but it comes with the territory (and... again... the article suggests they already knew this). P.S. I don't care about CU.
Well said.  PA's reaction to the "spamming" is childish at best.  Politicians around the world often get email bombed by pre-written email messages by grassroots organizations.  Such emails have curbed evil things like SOPA and other nasty laws and government policies.  As long as these emails were not automatically generated, which by the sounds of the article there is no proof that they were, PA should have done the responsible thing and taken the emails as a sign of a passionate community that should not be ignored.  Their refusal to cover the game only makes them a questionable and lazy gaming news outlet for me.   
What an illogical and nonsensical comparison.  Obviously from your argument, anyone who disagrees with what you believe is childish.

I hope you're not including my comments in that assessment; I would have to argue profusely with you if you were.

  Axxar

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4/30/13 2:50:50 PM#38
Well at least it's different people each sending one e-mail. That's more than can be said for a lot of detractors who claim to have no interest in CU yet endlessly post negativity in the CU forums.

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  Instigator-Jones

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4/30/13 2:51:00 PM#39
I'm more interested in what this says about the current CU community. I'm not sure I want to spend time in a PVP RVR game with a group of nitwits that can't even organize a unique and personal plea to a news outlet for coverage of their holy grail game. Seriously, using form letters or copy/paste email chains is base level stuff. You can only imagine all the crap that would likely go on IN the game. I was moderately excited about CU, now I'm leaning towards the 'pass crowd'.
  DavisFlight

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4/30/13 2:52:51 PM#40

But the press HAS been covering this game. Most of it anyway. Almost all MMO sites have, and several PC gaming sites.

 

And, even PA report is technically covering it. Though it seems petty to say "we're not covering this game because some fans are annoyingly ethusiastic about it." Isn't it their job to report on news?

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