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General Discussion  » Trion should bite the bullet and go F2P before its too late.

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  Purutzil

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4/29/13 10:00:19 PM#21
Honestly? I'd say Trion is content with how Rift is going right now. It has to be making a good enough profit that subscription is working for them, and for me it was well worth a sub price to play. 
  Yaevindusk

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4/29/13 10:09:54 PM#22

 

Might be a great time for them to test a new payment model of some sort.  Leave the most populated servers P2P or merge them together so P2P get a high population, then make F2P servers to get a second source of income.  Maybe even allow P2P players to play on F2P ones with their characters through "guesting" so that they can play with friends.

Might require some additional server restructuring in case some P2P go F2P, but overall it may be an option for them to consider if things get bad as opposed to just going all out F2P.

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  syntax42

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4/29/13 10:21:51 PM#23

Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.

 

I don't like the way the community changes when games go F2P.  Everyone seems to want everything handed to them for nothing.  F2P would be the end of a game like Rift, not a new beginning.  Sure more people would play it, but fewer people would pay money for it.  

 

Subscriptions are a good thing.  I have yet to see a F2P game produced with the same quality that most sub games have.  If you can deal with lower quality, keep playing your "free to play" games.

  thecapitaine

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4/29/13 10:37:34 PM#24
Originally posted by syntax42
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Subscriptions are a good thing.  I have yet to see a F2P game produced with the same quality that most sub games have.  If you can deal with lower quality, keep playing your "free to play" games.

 

I think you've got quite a bit of work ahead of you to back up your last claims.  Personal taste and preference aside, a game like Guild Wars 2 can stack up favorably among the best of sub games.  Then there is the growing reality that most of the big non-sub games in the West started life out as games requiring subscriptions.  That alone tells me that the inherent quality of a title is determined by something other than its payment model.

  sethman75

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4/30/13 12:29:55 AM#25

I can't wait to get back into this game when it goes F2P.

I really like everything about it except the monthly sub. Make a cool cash shop and let the tens of thousands of players roll back in to play the game.

  Eir_S

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4/30/13 12:34:14 AM#26
I don't think I'd play it anyway, it's too derivative.  I already played the hell out of WoW, I don't need to play its most notorious clone.  I do agree that it should go F2P, but not quite yet, they still seem to be earning revenue.
  Eir_S

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4/30/13 12:35:50 AM#27
Originally posted by syntax42

Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.

Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.

  ZedTheRock

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4/30/13 12:38:55 AM#28
Not that I would play it but it would do well to go F2P.  My friend plays and its a ghosttown.  Cant get him to leave his raiding guild that never raids due to absenses.  He is weird like that.

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  emperorwings

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4/30/13 12:40:56 AM#29

If they did 1-50 would be free with a 15% xp penalty with 10000 gold limitation and no limit on 1-50 equipment. $5 for expansion and to remove gold limitation and 50+ armor limitation. Not really.

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  CKPlayGame

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4/30/13 12:47:41 AM#30

no way

they should not go f2p

I am not subscribed currently but I activate it 25% of the year....and I dun see ghost towns.

  Nitth

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4/30/13 12:50:58 AM#31


Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service


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  Eir_S

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4/30/13 12:55:40 AM#32
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

 

Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


 

And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

Yeah ok.  Well until they decide which they want to sell to me, a product or a service, I'm not buying them both.  Funny how I'm not paying extra for Guild Wars 2.

Your post doesn't magically make the movie analogy make sense.

  strangiato2112

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4/30/13 12:59:27 AM#33
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by syntax42

Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.

Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.

Its not an analogy, its just a simple illustration that 15 bucks a month is relatively cheap entertainment.

As for the idea behind it, people seem to forget that ideally an MMORPG never stops development, its not like most games where there are no ongoing costs.  Bandwidth may be relatively cheap but devloper salaries are not.  WoW is the exception, which takes in far more money than it needs.  If rift was doing that well revenue wise they wouldnt have laid off 1/3rd of their staff.

 

If you want to argue a game like DAOC should be 5 bucks a month since there is no development for it, thats fine.  But for games with sub 200k subs and still a decent sized team such as Rift the sub price is absolutely fair.

  ReeseFlamelocks

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4/30/13 1:04:47 AM#34

I think it's pretty clear that Trion has prepared to go F2P, they are just stretching it out and trying to milk as much as possible beforehand. Their wardrobe system is pretty nifty, but their selection of costumes is low. They implemented the Deep's Depot, which right now features very little. They seem on the verge of going F2P and they know people will come because as we can see, many posters here have admited they would play if it didn't cost anything.

 

They probably want to increase the time between F2P and the SL expansion. Or they are waiting for the populations to drop to a certain threshold. 1-50 zones may be empty, but if you want to find a group you usually can. Most people are also concetrating on 50-60 because the game does not level as fast as other games at this stage. Additionally, they may be concetrating a lot of their resources on Defiance, so once they have some attention to spare for Rift it's probably going to happen pretty soon.

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  strangiato2112

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4/30/13 1:06:12 AM#35
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

 

Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


 

And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

Yeah ok.  Well until they decide which they want to sell to me, a product or a service, I'm not buying them both.  Funny how I'm not paying extra for Guild Wars 2.

Your post doesn't magically make the movie analogy make sense.

So i guess you are against things such as sattelite TV that do the same thing?

 

And Guild Wars 2 has massive numbers, a luxury other games dont have.  Rift didnt make up its initial development cost in box sales.  We still dont know yet if B2P is sustaionable going forward without a heavier cash shop, the game has been out less than a year so far.

  Eir_S

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4/30/13 1:10:04 AM#36
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by syntax42 Asking for a game to go F2P is like asking for people to give you money on the street.  Is $15 really that hard to scrounge up every month?  You could go to the movies and spend more than that.
Getting really tired of seeing this argument.  Yeah movies cost a certain amount, but you don't own the theatre.  Paying a sub is continuing to pay a mandatory price for something you already own.

 

Stop with that terrible analogy, please.  It's not the price that bothers most people, it's the idea behind it.


 

And seeing responses like this arnt much better when you are renting a service

Yeah ok.  Well until they decide which they want to sell to me, a product or a service, I'm not buying them both.  Funny how I'm not paying extra for Guild Wars 2.

Your post doesn't magically make the movie analogy make sense.

So i guess you are against things such as sattelite TV that do the same thing?

 

And Guild Wars 2 has massive numbers, a luxury other games dont have.  Rift didnt make up its initial development cost in box sales.  We still dont know yet if B2P is sustaionable going forward without a heavier cash shop, the game has been out less than a year so far.

That's a fair point, but I'm wondering if GW2 hadn't raked in the numbers it did, how they'd have been affected.  They obviously believed in the no sub model, before they ever sold a single copy.  Do you suppose they'd have gone subscription if it didn't pan out the way most companies go F2P?  I'm not seeing it, but it's interesting to consider.

And I think it's unlikely that Trion wouldn't go F2P if they saw the potential benefit.  Many games have gotten the burst of funds they needed from switching to this model.

  varrius

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OP  5/15/13 10:45:56 AM#37
Thanks for listening, Trion.
  Homitu

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5/15/13 12:32:32 PM#38
Exciting news indeed.  I stand by my earlier post, and I can't wait to try out dimensions!
  GoodAfternoon

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5/15/13 5:13:00 PM#39
Originally posted by varrius
The servers are desolate, though.   There are microtransaction models that work and aren't Pay2Win, "GW2", "AION".

Are you talking about Rift? Wolfsbane, Deepwood, Faeblight are all busy.

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  GreenKnight1776

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5/15/13 6:07:39 PM#40
Rift: now F2P. Guess there are some posters in this thread that will have to do some edits :-)
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