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  Yaevindusk

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OP  4/30/13 12:36:19 AM#1

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-29-game-dev-tycoon-forces-those-who-pirate-the-game-to-unwittingly-fail-from-piracy

 

It's all over the web, and I haven't seen it on the first couple of pages here.  An indie team developed a Game Developer Tycoon like game, making sure the inevitable cracked version online would have a few extra codes in it so that those who pirated the game will eventually go bankrupt in due to -- you guessed it -- pirating.

 

"Guys I reached some point where if I make a decent game with score 9-10 it gets pirated and I can't make any profit." (quote from link above)

"It says blah blah our game got pirated stuff like that. Is there some way to avoid that? I mean can I research a DRM or something?" (quote from link above)

 "Why are there so many people that pirate? It ruins me! Not fair." (quote from link above)

 

Many are calling this poetic justice, but what are your thoughts?  The developers report the sales of a day being 3,318, with 3,104 being pirated (a total sale of just over two hundred copies for this indie developer).  The price of the game is just a little over seven dollars.

 

 

 

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  Nyrrho

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4/30/13 12:47:21 AM#2

Absolutely genius! 

It's very sad that over 90% of the copies being played are pirated. The fact that the people who pirated the game will go bankrupt due to piracy is, in my opinion, hilariously justified.

  TheHavok

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4/30/13 12:57:20 AM#3
I'm not going to lie, I use to torrent and pirate a ton of stuff when I was a teenager.  But when I joined the workforce at age 18, I took pride in managing my money and buying things <span vk_bk"="">legitimately.  I also just grew to hate the act of stealing - of cheating the system to get what you want.  Yeah I know, things are expensive.  Internet, phone, insurance, and all the other bills start adding up and you start to feel that you are being used by these major corporations.  But, in terms of pirating games, music, and movies, why not support the things you love?  Support the artist and the studio behind them.  Support what gives you joy!
  Ichmen

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4/30/13 1:06:46 AM#4

meh i will continue to pirate games via torrents until such times as companies wise the fk up and actually provide a decent demo of the product the expect me to spend my cash on.  i refuse to buy simcity 2013 until i have "demo"ed it to know its worth my time/money. honestly the only game companies that i have seen who complain the most about pirated software are typically ones like EA who never provide a demo  of the product and expect people to buy it for hype/brand name/ or just because they like to rimjob the company CEO

i find it ironic that game studios in the 90s like apogee could make a fortune on their games while releasing shareware of it yet now days with how fast the net is now.. we cant have a simple fking demo of The Sims or simcity or battlefield/cod 1234567890

while i do not support piracy for the sake of pirating it, i do support pirating for the sake of testing it to see if its worth it. 

too many people pirate just to get out of paying for it period, which is where i disagree with it. BUT if there is no demo of the item no fking way will i drop $0.99-$1000 on it. QQ all you want at me for it, the only studio that i support as a diehard fan is Relic(cause they are local) and  Old THQ (#nvr4get #cryevrytime)

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  Rednecksith

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4/30/13 1:14:57 AM#5
Bloody brilliant. Well played, sirs!
  asrlohz

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4/30/13 1:25:17 AM#6
Originally posted by Ichmen

meh i will continue to pirate games via torrents until such times as companies wise the fk up and actually provide a decent demo of the product the expect me to spend my cash on.  i refuse to buy simcity 2013 until i have "demo"ed it to know its worth my time/money. honestly the only game companies that i have seen who complain the most about pirated software are typically ones like EA who never provide a demo  of the product and expect people to buy it for hype/brand name/ or just because they like to rimjob the company CEO

i find it ironic that game studios in the 90s like apogee could make a fortune on their games while releasing shareware of it yet now days with how fast the net is now.. we cant have a simple fking demo of The Sims or simcity or battlefield/cod 1234567890

while i do not support piracy for the sake of pirating it, i do support pirating for the sake of testing it to see if its worth it. 

too many people pirate just to get out of paying for it period, which is where i disagree with it. BUT if there is no demo of the item no fking way will i drop $0.99-$1000 on it. QQ all you want at me for it, the only studio that i support as a diehard fan is Relic(cause they are local) and  Old THQ (#nvr4get #cryevrytime)

Or you could just watch some online reviews or something. Piracy is pathetic, especially if you have the money to buy it. I doubt you need to purchase more than one game every month so you have no excuse for pirating games. You are harming the market and encouraging more DRM and you are whining about that there is no demo for SimCity. That is not justified. People are losing their jobs because of pirates like you.

  Ichmen

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4/30/13 1:33:17 AM#7

im not whining there is no demo, im stating a fact that there is no demo. also trusting a reviewer's PoV on a game is stupid as fk. thats the same as trusting a MMO's hype meter... i play games for MY enjoyment not because angry joe or TB love the game or the studio or they were paid to say its the best thing EVER!!!!!111

 

no whats hurting the market is not pirates. its the fact studios continue to push out garbageware for 59.99 while claiming its the best thing since sex while infact its as enjoyable as swimming in a septic tank.

i also buy several games a month IF they are worth it and i can afford it.  sadly there is so much garbageware out there now i stick to indie titles like towns/gnomoria/ect 

but funny thing... those small 1-5man indy teams... ACTUALLY put out a demo of their titles.. so oh look i didnt have to torrent them to try them out shocking i know

yet EA/maxis cant make demos for The sims or simcity lolololololol

 

demo = better chance of the game being bought

no demo = 1 of two things "a" pirating the title before buying it or "b" never touching the title and viewing all future titles from said company as junk. 

case in point, they lose no money from me. as they wouldnt gain any money either.  even if i dont torrent their title to demo it they wouldnt get a cent if i didnt view it as worth it. im not buying anymore crap games like i did with stronghold 3 or the sims 3...(And those were preorders/CE too...)

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  asrlohz

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4/30/13 1:45:01 AM#8
Originally posted by Ichmen

im not whining there is no demo, im stating a fact that there is no demo. also trusting a reviewer's PoV on a game is stupid as fk. thats the same as trusting a MMO's hype meter... i play games for MY enjoyment not because angry joe or TB love the game or the studio or they were paid to say its the best thing EVER!!!!!111

 

no whats hurting the market is not pirates. its the fact studios continue to push out garbageware for 59.99 while claiming its the best thing since sex while infact its as enjoyable as swimming in a septic tank.

i also buy several games a month IF they are worth it and i can afford it.  sadly there is so much garbageware out there now i stick to indie titles like towns/gnomoria/ect 

but funny thing... those small 1-5man indy teams... ACTUALLY put out a demo of their titles.. so oh look i didnt have to torrent them to try them out shocking i know

yet EA/maxis cant make demos for The sims or simcity lolololololol

 

demo = better chance of the game being bought

no demo = 1 of two things "a" pirating the title before buying it or "b" never touching the title and viewing all future titles from said company as junk. 

case in point, they lose no money from me. as they wouldnt gain any money either.  even if i dont torrent their title to demo it they wouldnt get a cent if i didnt view it as worth it. im not buying anymore crap games like i did with stronghold 3 or the sims 3...(And those were preorders/CE too...)

The demo is more often than not a poor represantation of the game than a good one. A game like SimCity (haven't played a SimCity since 2000 mind you) couldn't be fun in a demo because of the time and buildings that it takes to build a proper city. The fun part about SimCity is to build something from scratch that gets big, and since all mechanics gets gradually better from the beginning of one road to a buzzling city it's really not fun the first 20-40 minutes.

 

 

And let's be honest, you still have a ton of those games that you were just going to "try" before purchase that you've finished and never bought because "they weren't worth $60 dollar".

It also sounds like it is your fault that you pre-order games blindly instead of waiting for one week after release to hear what the general opinion is. Just go and listen to Total Biscuit's review instead.

  CKPlayGame

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4/30/13 1:51:07 AM#9
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by Ichmen

im not whining there is no demo, im stating a fact that there is no demo. also trusting a reviewer's PoV on a game is stupid as fk. thats the same as trusting a MMO's hype meter... i play games for MY enjoyment not because angry joe or TB love the game or the studio or they were paid to say its the best thing EVER!!!!!111

 

no whats hurting the market is not pirates. its the fact studios continue to push out garbageware for 59.99 while claiming its the best thing since sex while infact its as enjoyable as swimming in a septic tank.

i also buy several games a month IF they are worth it and i can afford it.  sadly there is so much garbageware out there now i stick to indie titles like towns/gnomoria/ect 

but funny thing... those small 1-5man indy teams... ACTUALLY put out a demo of their titles.. so oh look i didnt have to torrent them to try them out shocking i know

yet EA/maxis cant make demos for The sims or simcity lolololololol

 

demo = better chance of the game being bought

no demo = 1 of two things "a" pirating the title before buying it or "b" never touching the title and viewing all future titles from said company as junk. 

case in point, they lose no money from me. as they wouldnt gain any money either.  even if i dont torrent their title to demo it they wouldnt get a cent if i didnt view it as worth it. im not buying anymore crap games like i did with stronghold 3 or the sims 3...(And those were preorders/CE too...)

The demo is more often than not a poor represantation of the game than a good one. A game like SimCity (haven't played a SimCity since 2000 mind you) couldn't be fun in a demo because of the time and buildings that it takes to build a proper city. The fun part about SimCity is to build something from scratch that gets big, and since all mechanics gets gradually better from the beginning of one road to a buzzling city it's really not fun the first 20-40 minutes.

 

 

And let's be honest, you still have a ton of those games that you were just going to "try" before purchase that you've finished and never bought because "they weren't worth $60 dollar".

It also sounds like it is your fault that you pre-order games blindly instead of waiting for one week after release to hear what the general opinion is. Just go and listen to Total Biscuit's review instead.

You can have a smaller city, less options, less structures and so on.....

Demo is a good way to sell a good game -- not bad games though.

 

  Ichmen

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4/30/13 1:55:23 AM#10

there have only been a few demos that were horrible when placed next to the gold copy. i find the argument that building a road in simcity would suck comparied to a full release title. 

do to the fact you can get demos of tropico and other such micromanagement games that are damn near the same thing as simcity. same with the sims, maxis (before being owned by EA) put out a "demo" for spore so lol there is no excuse for not being able to release a demo, or put out a trial of a game like most MMOs have where you can only play for X hours. 

towns you had a few "days" ingame to play it before it booted you back to menu screen. but its enough to try out the game and see if you want to buy it. hell minecraft has a time based trial for it now... so any excuse that X title cant support a demo cause it would suck.. is BS

but again, taking the PoV of a reviewer over personal view is moot. i could be a reviewer for mcdonalds ... does that mean their burgers are the best thing ever and totally worth 59.99 simply because i say so?? 

as for games iv torrented, i have none.  i download a title play it abit see if its enjoyable then i buy it or delete it. i did that with fallout new vegas when i got that title on steam same with gnomoria and towns. only have legal copies installed. 

pirating is bad sure, if you pirate for the sake of getting the product for free.  BUT if they dont even give you a demo to find out if its worth it. whats the point in buying it a 1000 people can marry the game. that doesnt mean YOU will like it. 

millions love WoW, yet I personally hate WoW having played a few hours of vanilla.. yet with your statement Asrlohz because millions love it, i should buy it....... cause you know... they all share my PoV on games and mechanics and such and so many reviewers want to marry blizzard.... (facepalm)

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  asrlohz

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4/30/13 2:07:59 AM#11
Originally posted by Ichmen

there have only been a few demos that were horrible when placed next to the gold copy. i find the argument that building a road in simcity would suck comparied to a full release title. 

do to the fact you can get demos of tropico and other such micromanagement games that are damn near the same thing as simcity. same with the sims, maxis (before being owned by EA) put out a "demo" for spore so lol there is no excuse for not being able to release a demo, or put out a trial of a game like most MMOs have where you can only play for X hours. 

towns you had a few "days" ingame to play it before it booted you back to menu screen. but its enough to try out the game and see if you want to buy it. hell minecraft has a time based trial for it now... so any excuse that X title cant support a demo cause it would suck.. is BS

but again, taking the PoV of a reviewer over personal view is moot. i could be a reviewer for mcdonalds ... does that mean their burgers are the best thing ever and totally worth 59.99 simply because i say so?? 

as for games iv torrented, i have none.  i download a title play it abit see if its enjoyable then i buy it or delete it. i did that with fallout new vegas when i got that title on steam same with gnomoria and towns. only have legal copies installed. 

pirating is bad sure, if you pirate for the sake of getting the product for free.  BUT if they dont even give you a demo to find out if its worth it. whats the point in buying it a 1000 people can marry the game. that doesnt mean YOU will like it. 

millions love WoW, yet I personally hate WoW having played a few hours of vanilla.. yet with your statement Asrlohz because millions love it, i should buy it....... cause you know... they all share my PoV on games and mechanics and such and so many reviewers want to marry blizzard.... (facepalm)

I'm not defending SimCity. I'm saying that it is a slow game. Games like spore focus a lot on each and every stage by adding fun and interactive mechanics for the game gradually. Personally I really enjoyed the first stage of Spore and the rest I found kind of "meh-ish".

And reviewers are reviewers because they are good at it. I will once more recommend TotalBiscuit because he has logical and thorough reviews. You are just trying to justify that you pirate $10 dollar titles and indie games because you are too cheap and lazy to check a couple of gameplay videos or listen to a review or two before you buy the game.

And to your McDonalds reference: Do you go into McDonalds and ask if you can have a burger for free because you want to know if you would purchase any junkfood there in the future? In anycase you are just trying to justify that you are a pirate. You can't justify that, you are denying honest, hard-working developers their sales. And yes, EA is kind of a terrible company as it is, but stop placing your trust in them then.

 

MMO's are different, by the way, it takes more than a couple of hours to get into an MMO. And yes, I dislike World of Warcraft as well but most MMO's put out trial keys after 6 months or a year so you have no bloody excuse. Plus, nobody plays WoW because it is a great game with the best AI and the most glorious graphics and terrific gameplay.

 

Edit: In hindsight, this is silly and I will not debate this with you any further.

  dgarbini

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4/30/13 2:13:06 AM#12

Dear game companies, we will stop pirating as soon as you refund us for every time we were cheated, screwed, lied to, and stop those bad business practices.

 

On a serious note, I do feel for some of these indie developers, and to be honest they are probably the biggest victims of the large game companies bad practices.  Because even though they may have done no wrong, the consumer is so jaded and skeptical by the time they reach their product it is a very hard sell.  I deal with small businesses all the time this is a common trend across all industries.  And the piracy statistics are actually worse for these smaller cheaper games ironically, because the consumer is sketpical and jaded.  So its better to not be sketpical about games from companies like EA, when you know they will be crap?  Thats one thing I dont understand, and I really do feel for small businesses trying to operate in this corperate world, it is extremely difficult.

 

Also the statistics show that avid pirates spend more on gaming then non-pirates, so technically they do help the game industry more then they hurt it.  A lot of pirates actually do buy the games they demo and enjoy statistically, and look at major hit games they still do very well.  And there are all kinds of different piracy so it is not so easy just to lump them together.  I do suggest anyone interested in the topic watch the Jimquisition series on it, he put it fairly well (ep35-37).  Some people pirate things they already own (because of DLC or it broke etc), some people pirate things they cannot buy in their country (I do this often), some people pirate things that no longer sell (game companies are dead), some pirate for a demo.

 

But I do think what they did here is cute, maybe a little short sited.  Alienating your customer base is never a good thing.  But it got me to look at a game that I have never heard of.

  Ichmen

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4/30/13 2:21:00 AM#13

rofl actually i do watch TBs reviews but again i will point out, his game play style and choices for games are not mine. all he does is shows me X title exists and is worth my time/effort to pull up the game's site to research it. 

as for being cheap and lazy thats a pretty stupid statement to make as you do not know me personally lolol

i choose who i spend my money on if they provide me with a means to try out their product first.  i know mcdonalds sucks but when i want a cheap burger thats an option lolol though i dont eat there crap. you continue to say OH believe game reviewers and random youtube videos on games cause they are 100% trust worthy.. same as OH believe the hype meter for X game because hype meters are 100% trust worthy....

heres a good statement for you... game reviewers claimed colonial marine was a great game.. yet its garbage and they are now saying as such.. (regardless if it was a bait & switch or not, most reviews on it before release was it was a killer game)

if YOU personally wanna be a sheep and follow what everyone else plays because X reviewer said to buy it, thats your choice.

i do not support game studies indy or mega if their game title are crap. theres enough fake indie games out there trying to turn a quick buck by throwing out junk worse then the best asian cookie cutter studio can rehash a rehashed title.  IF a game has a demo they have a better chance of me buying it then if they dont.  without a demo i will torrent it first before i buy it should it pass my style of game play.

if you expect me to pay 59.99 for windows minesweeper without a demo, just because TB or angry joe or some random youtuber put out a lets play or review on it... you are sadly mistaken, i wouldnt expect them to buy a game from me without demoing it first so dont expect me to buy it either.

 

the pirates you want to bitch at, are the ones who pirate for the sake of owning the title without paying for it, the very people who bitch and whine at the devs because their illegal copy is broken and expect the devs to fix it. 

i on the other hand expect it to be broken i do not complain when the cracked version breaks a save game or the game randomly crashes half way though the mission. as long as the game is enjoyable and lives up to what is being promised i generally buy the game. if its a piece of crap and plays like it regardless of other issues well it only cements the reason behind them not putting out a demo for it. as its a cashcow title and not a real value for money title that is being passed off as.

 

why else do you think so many crappy games are being sold now without a demo... people like you buy them without trying them first wasting your money on garbage because you think its best thing ever simply because some video said it was....

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  Yaevindusk

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OP  4/30/13 2:47:03 AM#14

 

I'd like to think this is more so a thread about how one might feel about the Indie developers that still have to deal with rampant pirating.  The game itself is $7.99 or so, and yet 93% of the game distribution was pirated.

 

What people think of this, and not the various reasons one might have when it's something directed towards the bigger game companies with tripple A titles.

 

Is this just something that independant developers just have to deal with?  Is it perhaps why we don't see as much innovation, or why we rarely see indie titles succeed if they're not backed by a big name (whether it be from publishing or by an influencial member of the media)?  Does pirating inhibit the creation and proliferation of new titles and new ideas?  These moral stances that many take, do most recognize that there are (potential) negatives as well as whatever (potential) positives they claim?  Perhaps if one so strongly believed in the positives of piracy, is it apparent (or even relative?) that their claims may be "adopted" by someone who just wants to use those grounds to get free games (and thus potentially harm developers such as this)?

 

It was mentioned earlier that it is the practices of bigger companies that really screw the little ones; that we perhaps get our view points and tendancies regarding pirating due to the actions of these corporate entities.  Do we think that we just naturally judge indie games more harshly than we should?  Ignore their need for money (no matter how much a certain product costs) and just stick to what we know in potentially harming a new developer?  Or perhaps it is just that people who want "demos" of a game only really do so when it is a sizable sum, and when there is something new (or with little interest to the general gaming community as a whole) only the "bad" pirates come out with intents to save a couple dollars and never intending on buying the game?

 

I have my own ideas regarding these questions, but as the original poster I'd like to keep those ideas to myself and simply ask question to keep the topic "on rails" rather than lose any sort of objectivity/neutrality by wording my opinions.

 

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  KhinRunite

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4/30/13 3:03:51 AM#15
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by Ichmen

there have only been a few demos that were horrible when placed next to the gold copy. i find the argument that building a road in simcity would suck comparied to a full release title. 

do to the fact you can get demos of tropico and other such micromanagement games that are damn near the same thing as simcity. same with the sims, maxis (before being owned by EA) put out a "demo" for spore so lol there is no excuse for not being able to release a demo, or put out a trial of a game like most MMOs have where you can only play for X hours. 

towns you had a few "days" ingame to play it before it booted you back to menu screen. but its enough to try out the game and see if you want to buy it. hell minecraft has a time based trial for it now... so any excuse that X title cant support a demo cause it would suck.. is BS

but again, taking the PoV of a reviewer over personal view is moot. i could be a reviewer for mcdonalds ... does that mean their burgers are the best thing ever and totally worth 59.99 simply because i say so?? 

as for games iv torrented, i have none.  i download a title play it abit see if its enjoyable then i buy it or delete it. i did that with fallout new vegas when i got that title on steam same with gnomoria and towns. only have legal copies installed. 

pirating is bad sure, if you pirate for the sake of getting the product for free.  BUT if they dont even give you a demo to find out if its worth it. whats the point in buying it a 1000 people can marry the game. that doesnt mean YOU will like it. 

millions love WoW, yet I personally hate WoW having played a few hours of vanilla.. yet with your statement Asrlohz because millions love it, i should buy it....... cause you know... they all share my PoV on games and mechanics and such and so many reviewers want to marry blizzard.... (facepalm)

I'm not defending SimCity. I'm saying that it is a slow game. Games like spore focus a lot on each and every stage by adding fun and interactive mechanics for the game gradually. Personally I really enjoyed the first stage of Spore and the rest I found kind of "meh-ish".

And reviewers are reviewers because they are good at it. I will once more recommend TotalBiscuit because he has logical and thorough reviews. You are just trying to justify that you pirate $10 dollar titles and indie games because you are too cheap and lazy to check a couple of gameplay videos or listen to a review or two before you buy the game.

And to your McDonalds reference: Do you go into McDonalds and ask if you can have a burger for free because you want to know if you would purchase any junkfood there in the future? In anycase you are just trying to justify that you are a pirate. You can't justify that, you are denying honest, hard-working developers their sales. And yes, EA is kind of a terrible company as it is, but stop placing your trust in them then.

 

MMO's are different, by the way, it takes more than a couple of hours to get into an MMO. And yes, I dislike World of Warcraft as well but most MMO's put out trial keys after 6 months or a year so you have no bloody excuse. Plus, nobody plays WoW because it is a great game with the best AI and the most glorious graphics and terrific gameplay.

 

Edit: In hindsight, this is silly and I will not debate this with you any further.

Wake up to the real world.

You can try clothes on before buying them. You can test drive cars. Perfumes have trial bottles. Generally you can't sample food and drinks but that's because they're consumables. Asking for a game demo is NOT the same as asking for food tasting.

You may be fine heeding the judgment of other people such as TB, but other people still prefer firsthand experience. For example, you can't "feel" input lag by watching videos...that's something you can only tell by yourself. Even if reviewers say the game is responsive, you can't be sure if they meet your standards, so you have to demo it. Fact is, demos are not impossible to do. With the proper mindset, developers can put up a demo that will showcase what their game has to offer without giving too much away. A lot of developers don't bother though, because they prefer riding on the hype and relying on the gullibility of the mass consumer.

Your "hardworking" developer will still be out of a job regardless of people pirating their games or not. In a scenario where people could surmise that the game is "bad" by watching gameplay videos and reviews, the company still gets nothing. Don't blame piracy as a black and white cause for developer bankruptcy. There are many reasons why people pirate, and in this case it is justified.

Piracy is just as bad as games with no demos are dishonest.

In case you'll just brush this off while still ignorantly believeing Piracy = Evil, then I'm gonna ask you again.

Wake up to the real world.

  Ichmen

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4/30/13 3:31:32 AM#16
Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 

I'd like to think this is more so a thread about how one might feel about the Indie developers that still have to deal with rampant pirating.  The game itself is $7.99 or so, and yet 93% of the game distribution was pirated.

 

What people think of this, and not the various reasons one might have when it's something directed towards the bigger game companies with tripple A titles.

 

Is this just something that independant developers just have to deal with?  Is it perhaps why we don't see as much innovation, or why we rarely see indie titles succeed if they're not backed by a big name (whether it be from publishing or by an influencial member of the media)?  Does pirating inhibit the creation and proliferation of new titles and new ideas?  These moral stances that many take, do most recognize that there are (potential) negatives as well as whatever (potential) positives they claim?  Perhaps if one so strongly believed in the positives of piracy, is it apparent (or even relative?) that their claims may be "adopted" by someone who just wants to use those grounds to get free games (and thus potentially harm developers such as this)?

 

It was mentioned earlier that it is the practices of bigger companies that really screw the little ones; that we perhaps get our view points and tendancies regarding pirating due to the actions of these corporate entities.  Do we think that we just naturally judge indie games more harshly than we should?  Ignore their need for money (no matter how much a certain product costs) and just stick to what we know in potentially harming a new developer?  Or perhaps it is just that people who want "demos" of a game only really do so when it is a sizable sum, and when there is something new (or with little interest to the general gaming community as a whole) only the "bad" pirates come out with intents to save a couple dollars and never intending on buying the game?

 

I have my own ideas regarding these questions, but as the original poster I'd like to keep those ideas to myself and simply ask question to keep the topic "on rails" rather than lose any sort of objectivity/neutrality by wording my opinions.

 

idk about anyone else but as you are the OP id love to hear your own views on this subject, but as per your question yes the little guy gets crapped on by the bigger studios. its just how it is, much like a hotdog vender selling out of a small cart on the corner of a street gets screwed by the bigger chains. 

indies are forever going to be screwed by guys like EA. that isnt to say the indies dont have their own faults as i have seen many wannabe indy teams trying to shovel really crappy buggy games out to people as gold released titles using the excuse they are small 1-10man teams so should be forgiven their 0.99-999.99 title is only 10% polished or finished... but for the rest tha really do try hard to make their game enjoyable (gnomoria for example) they will always get a black eye thanks to other failure devs. simply because they are trying to make it in the same field.  all they can do is take the faults the other studios do/make and try to not repeat those them selves while putting out a top title. 

 

my self i judge studios based on their track record and what they are trying sell me, if its their first ever title and its being marketed out as the best thing ever (AAAAAAAAAA quality) yet a 2yr old smashing their hands on keyboard could program better... well ofcourse i wont be the nicest person.. though no one should as these people are trying to demand you give them money for garbage.  no one wants to pay money for crap so why should we be expected to??

though id rather see indies succeed personally as most of the indie games iv played/bought have been pretty bloody good better then some of the top titles out there for a vastly cheaper cost. (doesnt mean i will buy them without trying them first, or want them to sell me garbage)

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  Blecod

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4/30/13 3:45:27 AM#17
It's a great idea and all, but I feel like they are trying to stop a bear by spiting in it's eye and angering it. It might shame the bear for a while, but it's going to be back.
  mastersam21

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4/30/13 3:48:38 AM#18
While I dont condone piracy I also don't believe its the main reason for poor sales on anything that claims it to be.  Out of those  3100 people that pirated how many would of spent that $7 to buy? Sure there might be some, but I bet nowhere near that 3000 mark. Some developers like to blame piracy making themselves out to be the victims, but as a poster above said a lot of studios and publishers are very misleading with there marketing. Poetic Justice? I dont think so. If i even bothered to pirate their game I couldnt careless and just move on, no harm no foul on me unless I really liked the game then ill support them.

  PieRad

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4/30/13 3:49:22 AM#19
All I gotta say to this is.... Better than always online DRM.

  Purutzil

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4/30/13 3:50:21 AM#20

I found this hilarious honestly.

 

 I'm kind of doubting of the numbers though. Sorry, just don't buy that (haha pun intended accidentally!).

 

Piracy is an issue to a degree, but its no where near what its hyped up to be. Heck, google up and you see a lot of creators say this very thing. Not everyone that pirates is not purchasing the game. A lot of people do pirate due to not having access to the game in their region or even will pirate the game only to buy it after. Sadly, when you have no demo or way for people to try it, your basically ASKING for people to do so. We don't all have money growing on trees to randomly buy any game we see haphazardly, we like to see what its like first.

 

None the less, I find it quite enjoyable to see this done. It tempts me to download it, though I have a feeling it might be used as a rather poor way to try and prove a point through data manipulation. Its quite bad as it is that Piracy is being used as a reason to have DRM, despite its real reasons being to make more cash off consumers instead through stopping used games or pushing for purchases in 'cash shops' of sorts. 

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