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  Vorthanion

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Joined: 7/02/11
Posts: 1910

4/18/13 12:33:43 AM#41
Originally posted by kadepsyson

People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth.  People today still ride horses.

 

The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.

 

Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have ;)

You're so full of it.  I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture.  Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.

  victorbjr

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Joined: 9/13/10
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4/18/13 12:46:15 AM#42
Originally posted by CyclopsSlayer

Be sure to look at SpicyMMO's Channel. In English, if a bit stream of conscious.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpTnSd9NbEj2OBqCGm1bl_Q

 

The "Let's Find Out" 1 through like 15 are all AA play.

NICE! Thanks for sharing that! :D

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  Scot

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Posts: 5232

4/18/13 3:06:31 AM#43
Originally posted by Kumapon

This pic sorta looks like ArcheAge, but those are not archeage houses, so I don't know what game this comes from.


This pic is just an outright fake. Women do not have those outfits in ArcheAge. This may be another Korean game but it is not ArcheAge.

 

What? No babes in impossibly short skirts? Thats a big Con. :D

 

  User Deleted
4/18/13 3:47:59 AM#44
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Dihoru

Face meet palm -facepalms-

The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like.  Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).

Well it's called integrity in design.

when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?

And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults.  yes?

Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.

Is disco steam punk?

What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.

Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.

And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.

 So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????  

no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.

In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.

Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.

sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".

You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.

I'll repeat that "my tastes".

 

Knowledge is power, guard it well

 

Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by kadepsyson

People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth.  People today still ride horses.

 

The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.

 

Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have ;)

You're so full of it.  I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture.  Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.

You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.

  Yuui

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Joined: 10/21/07
Posts: 722

4/18/13 4:10:26 AM#45
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Dihoru

Face meet palm -facepalms-

The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like.  Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).

Well it's called integrity in design.

when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?

And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults.  yes?

Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.

Is disco steam punk?

What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.

Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.

And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.

Yes

Medieval castles.

And zeppelin type of airships.

And Da Vinci-style of gliders.

And steam carriages.

And advanced artillery.

And advanced naval tools and ships.

And brick-based building materials.

And focuses on colonization of "new world" by old world.

 

All of that puts the game world in AT LEAST late renaissance in terms of tech advancement.

A steampunk car fits right in to this. 

# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY
# ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED
# A MASKED CRY ADORING
# A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON

  Vorthanion

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Joined: 7/02/11
Posts: 1910

4/18/13 4:14:32 AM#46
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Dihoru

Face meet palm -facepalms-

The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like.  Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).

Well it's called integrity in design.

when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?

And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults.  yes?

Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.

Is disco steam punk?

What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.

Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.

And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.

 So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????  

no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.

In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.

Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.

sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".

You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.

I'll repeat that "my tastes".

 

Knowledge is power, guard it well

 

Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by kadepsyson

People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth.  People today still ride horses.

 

The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.

 

Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have ;)

You're so full of it.  I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture.  Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.

You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.

No, it's you projecting.  How many non-asian games have this tendency to start off medieval or high fantasy and then later add steampunk at best, modern technologies at worst, creating an odd mix to their games?  The point is that I see this trend much more often in Japanese / Korean games than I do in any other.  That is not Xenophobia, it is an observation.  Perhaps you should leave the mental diagnosis to the professionals who would not declare someone a Xenophobe from reading a single statement on a gaming board.

  Valentina

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Joined: 5/28/06
Posts: 1661

4/18/13 4:23:51 AM#47
wtb more info from Trion!
  User Deleted
4/18/13 4:47:20 AM#48
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Dihoru

Face meet palm -facepalms-

The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like.  Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).

Well it's called integrity in design.

when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?

And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults.  yes?

Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.

Is disco steam punk?

What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.

Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.

And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.

 So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????  

no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.

In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.

Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.

sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".

You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.

I'll repeat that "my tastes".

 

Knowledge is power, guard it well

 

Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by kadepsyson

People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth.  People today still ride horses.

 

The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.

 

Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have ;)

You're so full of it.  I point out a trend that is easily seen in eastern influenced games and you call racism into the picture.  Get off your high horse or is that high racecar.

You don't point out a trend you trash it purely based on it being "Asian" when this trend has been prevalent in multiple fantasy genres within the west as well (Warhammer, Warhammer 40.000, Warcraft, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Dungeon and Dragons,etc) which doesn't point to racism in my mind, it points more worryingly towards xenophobic tendencies and blaming subjective ills on a entire subcontinent.

No, it's you projecting.  How many non-asian games have this tendency to start off medieval or high fantasy and then later add steampunk at best, modern technologies at worst, creating an odd mix to their games?  The point is that I see this trend much more often in Japanese / Korean games than I do in any other.  That is not Xenophobia, it is an observation.  Perhaps you should leave the mental diagnosis to the professionals who would not declare someone a Xenophobe from reading a single statement on a gaming board.

So World of Warcraft having space ships doesn't vex you, Warhammer 40.000 having entirely medieval societies sometimes invaded and decimated by technologically advanced (somewhat) foes does not vex you, Warhammer Fantasy with its guns, helicopters/flying machines, cannons in a otherwise perfectly fantasy setting does not vex you, Planet Explorers mixing lasers with arrows, swords with plasma guns (or something thereabouts) does not vex you, Terraria which has an eclectic mix of weapons some medieval some damn near past our level of technology does not vex you, basically a game or universe does not vex you if it is not Japanese or Korean because over there it is "more prevalent", right?

My strong advice is to stop judging cultures through the prism of your own because it's painfully obvious you're knowingly or unknowningly judging products from cultures other than your own as inferior purely based on your own cultural biases (hint: a car in a fantasy world would work, Hell even one that looks "modern" if it is done properly and explained well enough in the game universe, both these two facts neither of us know, I have not passed judgement on the game having not played it, you have just by looking at images and deciding that it being Korean/Japanese means it couldn't be that good).

  Omnifish

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4/18/13 4:58:21 AM#49
Originally posted by kadepsyson

People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth.  People today still ride horses.

 

The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.

 

Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have ;)

Or you've just made an assumption based on your own prejudices and you can't really understand the point trying to be made.

 

When creating a world you have to established some sort of, 'rules', i.e. laws of this universe which people can respect and allows them to suspend their disbelief when entering this world. It's just programmed into humans, they need to understand the laws of something to feel comfortable existing within in, whether that's society or a made up world.

 

For instance you have a medievil setting, there are swords and socerey, dragons, trolls, fantasy creatures, etc. A character couldn't in that universe suddenly magic up a hydrogen bomb to defeat a dragon and drop it on he's head, unless you found a pretty good reason why that could happen and explain to your fanbase in a convincing way.

 

Who knows maybe AA has good or interesting reasons, why a airship/glider, racing cars from the 20's, naval tools not invented till the late 18th, and prisoners in jumpsuits from the early 20th century, appear in this setting.  Or it could be that the developers thought these things looked, 'cool', and just threw them in with no rhymme or reason, which will break any immersion some people have with the game.

 

Time will tell I guess.

 
 

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  User Deleted
4/18/13 6:00:05 AM#50
The car kind of ruins it for me. I'm out! I was expecting taste from a Korean game. Difficult!
  Sovrath

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4/18/13 7:13:33 AM#51
Originally posted by itchmon

i agree that car looks really incongruous... the least they could do is make it look like an external combustion steam car.

 

And that's the point.

It's not that there are sailing ships, DaVinci style gliders, Castles (and the building of more castles by players) Juke Boxes, "modern music" and a car.

It's that each one looks very much like the era it was drawn from as opposed to making it so that all of those seem to come from the same era.

Sure, people ride horses. I live in boston and you can see around town so many old photos of people in horse drawn carriages or on horses. Streets were wider and muddier. Well, they were mud. You then look from the photos and see the same  streets changed and people not riding horses they were riding in cars.

and yes, that car is seemingly drawn from some time in the 30's as opposed to looking at it and seeing something that actuall resembles anything steampunk.

Those sailing ships don't look like anything other than sailing ships from a particular era. The art design just isn't consistent.

A game can have all those things it just has to make it look like those thing organically belong in the same time period. This is an art design issue not a "historically you will see..." issue.

 

  Eladi

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4/18/13 8:22:33 AM#52
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Vorthanion
What is it with Asian fantasy games that always add content that turns them into steampunk or even worse.  That car would fit in today's world, not the fantasy / medieval world of Archeage.  What's next, replace gliders with jets and maybe throw in a waverunner for some fun watersports?
 

I've got to agree with you here.

I hate it when they add anachronstic items to their Medieval fantasy games.

I believe there is a disco in this game as well.

In general Asians do see the game as FUN. Not a direct simulations whit high level or realism.  AA was from the beginning developed as a steam punk / renaissance game whit a lot of influences from the ages 1400-1800 in Europe and in Asia  Community is very important so their games reflect that. Western games have totally abandoned any design whit community in mind, Here solo play and fast gain are far more important then making new friends.

 
 
  CyclopsSlayer

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4/18/13 6:02:23 PM#53

A Twitch streamer, he is Korean but will answer and speak in English. Sadly he keeps none of his older stream backed up it seems.

 

http://www.twitch.tv/ellord05

  WhiskyBob

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4/21/13 9:41:13 AM#54
Take ArcheAge, remove all the korean gayness - great game. 
  Valentina

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4/27/13 3:28:37 PM#55
I hate it when they mix modern era things, into medieval games as well. It totally screws up immersion and throws off any theme they were originally going for. If they want to have cars, then they should make them look like they fit in the world. The idea of a disco, I don't know where that came but eew, and then there's the matter of the women in the 1960's playboy bunny outfits...I mean....what???? =|
 
I don't mind having the content/functions these places in the game have, but why can't it fit the actual aesthetic/setting of the game?
  Dahkoht

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4/27/13 3:53:45 PM#56
"Take away the Korean gayness"

Hopefully this aspect will keep players with a mentality like you far away - makes it even better.
  JimmyYO

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4/27/13 3:57:48 PM#57
That picture of a car made me go from hopeful buyer to never touch with a 10 foot pole.
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5/01/13 7:39:33 AM#58

I for one welcome steampunk....I am so tired of current themepark MMO's, ie wow clones.  This game seems to be going in the right direction, more sandboxes...It is IMHO the best upcoming mmo on the market that fits my play stlye.

 
  GranDux

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5/08/13 8:33:11 AM#59
Originally posted by WhiskyBob
Take ArcheAge, remove all the korean gayness - great game. 

The cultural intolerance and ignorance of some North-American players never ceases to amaze me. Not to say that ArcheAge is a bad game (if it was bad no one would be playing the game now. There are plenty from America and Europe playing ArcheAge now which is one of the reasons why the game is being mentioned in the first place. ) but more often than not these games are becoming generic replicas thanks in-part to the "westernization" process of fail and reflects badly upon the gaming market in the whole in it's apparent lack of diversity.

All games are universal in part that they are meant to be enjoyed. Just because the game is made in korea does not mean that the culture around it is sub-standard to yours. I just see another potentially unique or good game dumbed down to the grits and or turned PG-13 (like every other overflowing generic MMO game on the market now). A shame more diversity is seen at a local market or college, but apparently Korean games are voodoo.

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