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  User Deleted
4/26/13 12:35:45 PM#21

What's really bad, is that so much of the darkfall community is accepting of this kind of behavior. It's literally a game that caters to some of the worst kinds of people on the internet (not talking illegal stuff here).

As long as DFUW is ok with targeting that particular audience, then I guess it works for them.  I just can't see that being the best business decision to make.

  maplestone

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4/26/13 12:40:05 PM#22
The rule of thumb for where community and business interests coincide: if your actions are likely to encourage another person to quit playing the game, you are essentially asking to be booted yourself.
  adino32

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4/26/13 12:41:11 PM#23

The community makes the game is so true.  At this point in my mmo decision making process, I don't even read about the game.  I read the forums and see what the community is like.  Ok I do read about the game.  As one of the poster said that the forum community is generally worse than the ingame community but still, it gives a good idea who you will be playing with.  If you read the forum thread linked in the article, my goodness.  I am surprised at how many people are willing to pay for a game where the sole purpose is to make life miserable for other people. 

I totally get PVP.  It is an adrenaline rush that PvE will almost never give.  But griefing?  I just don't get it?  And to pay 40 bucks to buy a game and then pay the sub to grief...  Truly mystifying.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I thought about trying DFUW, but I don't need to play with these types of idiots.  This guy's action accomplished one thing, it turned me away from the game and maybe that is what he wanted to do so kudos to him.  Well this guy's actions and like 60% of the posters who supported his behavior.

  eyelolled

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4/26/13 12:42:43 PM#24
If I was on the fence about trying this game out, this sort of thing would definately stop me. I have enough real world frustrations to deal with, why would I add putting up with the stupidity of some asshat to the mix. 

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  adino32

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4/26/13 12:49:02 PM#25
Originally posted by asmkm22

What's really bad, is that so much of the darkfall community is accepting of this kind of behavior. It's literally a game that caters to some of the worst kinds of people on the internet (not talking illegal stuff here).

As long as DFUW is ok with targeting that particular audience, then I guess it works for them.  I just can't see that being the best business decision to make.

Their TOS pretty clearly states that griefing is not allowed.  However, it is one thing to put in a generic ToS and another to actively enforce.  According to the some the reason DF1 died is because it purged anyone but hardcore pvp players through natural evolution of the game.  Thus now in DFUW you got saef zones and actual rules and to be fair they did ban them, but just reading the forum thread; AV has a long way to go if they actually want to prevent exactly what happened in DF1 and not let it happen in DFUW.

I don't think a true sandbox PVP is a sustainable business model.  Not even for small gaming companies trying to corner a niche market.  Hell no to AAA MMOs.

  hardicon

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4/26/13 1:20:01 PM#26

well that is just flat out bad game design right there and adventurine should be publicly flogged for that horrible game design. 

 

now on to the actual act of what he was doing.  This video is the best reason I can think of to stay away from pvp games.  there are way more assholes in pvp games than in any other type of game.  The person that made this video needs to be punched in the face repeatedly until he understand being a asshole on the internet is stupid.  if you truly want to be a asshole go be one in real life where people can choose to punch you in the face if they want.  on the internet it is just being a coward. 

also there should be no safe zones in a pvp game.  someone decides to be a ass, kill him and take his stuff.  cuts down on asses in the game while still keeping with the flavor of a dangerous world and makes pvp more fun.

overall though bad game design plus assholes = dont play the game if you want to have fun.  could care less about the ban because these idiots will just buy a new copy and do it again or pay 15 bucks whatever it is and keep doing it under another account.

 

  Ziegler

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4/26/13 1:30:04 PM#27

As someone else said..you have to leave the starter area eventually.  The idea behind Darkfall is that the player base will sort these things out. They're bad guys....join a guild and grief them back .

In full disclosure, I am the same name on the DFO forums in offtopic, I have not read the thread, nor watched the video, nor do I need to. Darkfall fans are hardcore just like Eve, if you arent with me, you're an NPC and you cant grief NPC's, so...anything goes. <stress the period

If someone griefs you, grief them back and be careful, because feuds, rivalries, and all kinds of conflict and PVP may just occur. It's not for the faint of heart, nor is it expected that they comprehend this.

  Iselin

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4/26/13 2:34:11 PM#28

"The gimp..."

Reminds me of Pulp Fiction and the gimp the 2 rednecks kept chained in the basement...

Movies or MMOs, same type of people doing the same type of things.

And btw, this is just the guys who got caught...

  Zekiah

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4/26/13 2:35:59 PM#29
Only a guild of slack-minded losers would get their jollies off of doing such retarded activities.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  possessed1

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4/26/13 2:46:23 PM#30
Hardicon ht the nail on the head, for me personally.
  User Deleted
4/26/13 2:46:52 PM#31
Originally posted by adino32
Originally posted by asmkm22

What's really bad, is that so much of the darkfall community is accepting of this kind of behavior. It's literally a game that caters to some of the worst kinds of people on the internet (not talking illegal stuff here).

As long as DFUW is ok with targeting that particular audience, then I guess it works for them.  I just can't see that being the best business decision to make.

Their TOS pretty clearly states that griefing is not allowed.  However, it is one thing to put in a generic ToS and another to actively enforce.  According to the some the reason DF1 died is because it purged anyone but hardcore pvp players through natural evolution of the game.  Thus now in DFUW you got saef zones and actual rules and to be fair they did ban them, but just reading the forum thread; AV has a long way to go if they actually want to prevent exactly what happened in DF1 and not let it happen in DFUW.

I don't think a true sandbox PVP is a sustainable business model.  Not even for small gaming companies trying to corner a niche market.  Hell no to AAA MMOs.

I know I played DF1 for about 2 hours, before quitting.  It was nonstop racial slurs, bigotry, and swearing for the sake of swearing.  I'm not even religious and I found the whole experience to be offensive, in a juvenile way.  You can judge a person by the company he keeps; it looked really bad for Aventurine to be condoning that kind of atmosphere.

They need to crack down on stuff right now, and hard.  If not, they'll never really grow any larger than they were with DF1, because all of the game mechanics in the world don't make a difference if the people you are playing with suck.

  Konfess

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4/26/13 4:05:34 PM#32

Most EULA have wording of the sort that says, if you negatively affect our customer base and therefore revenue stream we can take action against you.  Again there is usually a section that says just because an exploit exists you are not free to use it.  Any lawyer or cop will tell you that in a free country, your freedom ends when it interferes with someone else's freedom.  Meaning you don’t have the freedom to be dickish (again a Wheatonisms).

The next time I read a thread here, promoting an exploit, and calling it a strategy. I will post a link to this article.  The next time a read a phishing thread for one of these types of games I will post a link to this article.  I will let these blatant exploiters and greifers know that their membership email in HOGG is on the way.

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  shalissar

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4/26/13 4:22:29 PM#33

I'm sorry, I went into his profile and his fingernails are just.. Ugh. I'm sorry I know it shouldn't bother me that much but, who takes a picture of themselves with dirty fingernails up close?

Anyways, I get that DF is supposed to be this really hardcore ganky stuff, but bugging people in safe zones is not alright and I'm happy they were banned. "Lure him out to the pvp zone!" You say? Well not everyone is rolling with a group right off the bat and it doesn't guarantee that he's dumb enough to follow you, or dumb enough not to have a few friends of his own.

My understanding was that the starting safe zone at least is a place where you can get accustomed to the game. Some fat slob and his silly friends exploiting fresh players deserve a temp ban. I wouldn't go for perma ban though.

  Theocritus

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4/26/13 4:59:27 PM#34
The game lends itself to the total jerk types and people are shocked when there's a guild full of jerks?....And you people wonder why alot of us will have nothing to do with full loot PVP?
  trancejeremy

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4/26/13 7:13:12 PM#35
This is what's wrong with PvP. Most of the people interested are really just wanting to grief/gank people. And they always find a way to.

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  Jupsto

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4/26/13 7:16:37 PM#36

^ ganking is not griefing.

I'm glad darkfall is cracking down on griefing this time, but please themepark players there is a difference.

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  deveilblad

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Joined: 4/25/13
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4/26/13 7:42:10 PM#37

Does the guy in the video think he's being all profound and understanding psychology when he says about twenty times ''what happens in the mind of a gimp'' - BTW, what IS a gimp ? It's certainly misused in that video lol... And what is ''the fear of gain''...seriously lol ? Also, his video looks like some sort of tutorial on harrassment... Is he actually deluded enough to think that people are going to do this kind of thing ? Well, except the douche already in his clan lol !

 

Anyway, they are just loosing their time, just log out for 2 minutes, they'll go away, relog and keep doing your stuff in another part of the map lol...

 
  Ryowulf

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4/26/13 8:10:59 PM#38

Gimp means less than, lacking or otherwise not able to compete on the same level as others.

ie a gimp mask robs you of some of your senses.

I'm not sure why he uses the word to talk about his victims.

I've heard it said if you go first person they can't break line of sight or its harder to do.

  Burntvet

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4/26/13 8:18:34 PM#39
AV deserves at least equal blame. It was they that designed the game mechanics these players were using, and set things up to play that way on purpose. Couple that with the fact that AV is glacially slow at fixing exploits and closing obvious weaknesses in gameplay mechanics. I am surprised that AV did anything to clamp down on the kind of behavior they nailed the HOGG players for, because the same kind of thing was all over DF1 forever, with nothing happening.
  grimfall

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4/26/13 8:43:12 PM#40
Originally posted by Burntvet
AV deserves at least equal blame. It was they that designed the game mechanics these players were using, and set things up to play that way on purpose. Couple that with the fact that AV is glacially slow at fixing exploits and closing obvious weaknesses in gameplay mechanics. I am surprised that AV did anything to clamp down on the kind of behavior they nailed the HOGG players for, because the same kind of thing was all over DF1 forever, with nothing happening.

This is incorrect.  It's an exploit.  Players who knowingly use exploits in MMO games have been warned/suspended/banned since 1999.  These guys were using an exploit, and violating the TOS with regards to griefing other players. That's two bannable offenses.  The only thing that Aventurine did wrong here is not perma-banning the accounts.

The orange part... Think about what you just wrote.  You are suprised that Aventurine is taking action to correct the flaws that sunk their first game.  Huh?

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