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  Pie_Rat

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4/26/13 11:40:44 AM#61
Originally posted by Tierless

Yay or nay?

What's BSC stealth?

  Bordog

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4/26/13 11:56:44 AM#62

I think MJ's idea is pretty neat and fits with the world lore as it currently stands. I wouldn't necessarily call this stealth, but I also think MJ is steering clear of the traditional concepts. I think the Walker/Stalker concept could add some neat depth to the game in terms of challenge in dealing with environment and add a whole new level of RvR tactics. 

I hope scouts do get camoflage and I would like to know more about how that would work. I personally don't know that I would want to play a Walker, simply because I want to be in the world with everyone else running around. I also want to have more of a traditional role of sneaking with the archer/scout. I find it more appealing to hide in a bush or tree or a hole spying on our enemies than disappearing into the Veil.

I'm not sure players who have played "stealther" classes in other MMO's will necessary be drawn to or find the VeilWalker concept appealing. Perhaps the niche crowd here would though. 

This reminds me of a system in the World of Darkness rpgs, such as Werewolf: Apocalypse. Werewolves (and other beings) can leave the physical realm and go to a spiritual realm that coincides with the earth. It is generally referred to as the Umbra. Werewolves fight with their spiritual traits when in the Umbra and when in the physical realm they use their physical traits. Seems pretty similar.

 

Edit: typos

  BowbowDAoC

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4/26/13 12:12:50 PM#63

if this is the way that stealth will be implemented, then it wont be stealthing anymore, but "shifting". because when you look at it, its not stealth at all, its 2 worlds "colliding" and some people will have the ability to shift between the 2 of them.

after a night sleep (i wont call it good night sleep, i slept 3 hours lol), i'm still not 100% sold to the results of the idea, but i'm totally sold on the originality of it, how everything fits in the background story of CU, the veil etc. Its freaking amazing.

If it doesnt end up in the game, it could be nonetheless a freaking good story for a novel lol

In any case, it wont change the fact that i'm still backing CU, still hoping to see it funds, still hoping to play it.

on a counterpart, i really had more hopes that "stealthers" would have more of some "spying" abilities, sabotage, and more of a "classical" use for them (and i'm not talking about actual combat). hopefully the archers will end up having those abilities, because i really think those kind of skills would truly add amazing gameplay possibilities as well.

That would be my main concern if "shifting" is the way stealth would be implemented. Its going to be pure RvR, so spying and all skills related SHOULD be in the game, and be an important port of it.

at least imo.

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  BowbowDAoC

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4/26/13 12:23:50 PM#64
Originally posted by kaltahn
I think VW/VS a wonderful idea but I'd rather see this as a later addition to the game and have archers at launch instead.  That way the devs don't have to split focus on adding an additional layer (the Veil pseudo-world) to the game until after a finished product hits the 'shelves'.

The problem with this way to do it is that i dont think its feasable. it will be either in the game atlaunch, or wont be at all...its too much of a game changer to think of implementing it later on. Now i'm not comparing "shifitng" to ToA at all, but i think it would have the same effect if it was implemented AFTER launch....it would too much change the game from its original form, and that would be catastrophic.

 

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  meddyck

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4/26/13 12:24:24 PM#65
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

on a counterpart, i really had more hopes that "stealthers" would have more of some "spying" abilities, sabotage, and more of a "classical" use for them (and i'm not talking about actual combat). hopefully the archers will end up having those abilities, because i really think those kind of skills would truly add amazing gameplay possibilities as well.

That would be my main concern if "shifting" is the way stealth would be implemented. Its going to be pure RvR, so spying and all skills related SHOULD be in the game, and be an important port of it.

at least imo.

You may have overlooked this from the update:

VeilWalkers won’t make great scouts (our archers would be a better choice)

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  BowbowDAoC

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4/26/13 12:33:27 PM#66
Originally posted by meddyck
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

on a counterpart, i really had more hopes that "stealthers" would have more of some "spying" abilities, sabotage, and more of a "classical" use for them (and i'm not talking about actual combat). hopefully the archers will end up having those abilities, because i really think those kind of skills would truly add amazing gameplay possibilities as well.

That would be my main concern if "shifting" is the way stealth would be implemented. Its going to be pure RvR, so spying and all skills related SHOULD be in the game, and be an important port of it.

at least imo.

You may have overlooked this from the update:

VeilWalkers won’t make great scouts (our archers would be a better choice)

yeah i had read it and remembered it, but was more talking about pure spying, sabotage, intel gathering etc ( i tend to associate "scout" with purely "20 albs at bledmeer faste !" kind of reports :P

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  Nikopol

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4/26/13 12:36:41 PM#67

First, I really don't understand the problem with stealth classes in MMOs. Meaning, why they're even considered a problem.

I know some MMOs made them a bit too overpowered sometimes, but mostly they're not such a big deal. If anything, I've found playing a stealth class is often more annoying than being the "priority target" of a stealth class (especially the "slow movement" Jacobs talks about, ugh). I've played a lot of healers, and those are the natural targets of slealthers, and I always liked duking it out with a slealther while trying to keep allies up at the same time. :)

Yeah, so they're invisible... So what? They become visible at some point and if the game balance is not all broken, you can just stick it out and get the upper hand if you play it right. Yeah, they're a sizeable annoyance anyway, but in my book, you do need some annoyances in MMO PVP. :)

As for what CU's going for, it sounds interesting, but I have to agree with the second poster: Is it really necessary to make it this complicated? Or the better question is: Will these mechanics make the overall game better? I hope so.

Great writers often say you should throw away your sleekest ideas (Faulkner called them "your darlings"), as they probably will not fit in well with the whole... And well, this sounds a like a really sleek idea. :)

  Tierless

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OP  4/26/13 12:42:28 PM#68

I think what many a stealther isn't realize is you CAN do what you did in DAOC. Pop out of stealth and own someone. BUT you will have less opening DPS so you may want to focus on wounded players. You will probably have better amor and HP so thats cool. And, YOU FREAKEN GET FED VICTIMS! How cool is that?

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  meddyck

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4/26/13 12:55:55 PM#69

So Mark said this during the Q&A after the update:


Q: When do you plan to implement the Veil walkers and Veil stalkers?
MJ: 1) This is just an idea. No decision has been made, not even close to that. 2) Even if we go with these classes, they would come in after archers.

So that's a major evening update wasted on something that highly likely won't be in the game at release. Please focus on the parts of the game that are certain to be in it and haven't been covered yet over the remaining days. I know there has been a lot of interest in stealthers, but this is almost deceptive because people who like this idea and don't follow the Kickstarter as closely as some of us do are going to be thinking Veilwalkers will be in at launch when they most probably won't be. (This is also true of The Depths which is a stretch goal for a still undisclosed dollar amount.)

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  Niix_Ozek

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4/26/13 1:05:55 PM#70
Originally posted by meddyck

So Mark said this during the Q&A after the update:


Q: When do you plan to implement the Veil walkers and Veil stalkers?
MJ: 1) This is just an idea. No decision has been made, not even close to that. 2) Even if we go with these classes, they would come in after archers.

So that's a major evening update wasted on something that highly likely won't be in the game at release. Please focus on the parts of the game that are certain to be in it and haven't been covered yet over the remaining days. I know there has been a lot of interest in stealthers, but this is almost deceptive because people who like this idea and don't follow the Kickstarter as closely as some of us do are going to be thinking Veilwalkers will be in at launch when they most probably won't be. (This is also true of The Depths which is a stretch goal for a still undisclosed dollar amount.)

He's just trying to spark interest because they need 570k in 5 days. Totally doable if the spike is like other projects.

I dislike the idea at its first vision, however going through beta it will look totally different if they even implimented it at release.... A lot of these ideas really get tested in Beta and see how things actually interact with each other, how hard it will be to balance ... how retarded the idea really is, because cool ideas don't always work.

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  Taldier

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4/26/13 1:50:28 PM#71
Originally posted by meddyck

So Mark said this during the Q&A after the update:


Q: When do you plan to implement the Veil walkers and Veil stalkers?
MJ: 1) This is just an idea. No decision has been made, not even close to that. 2) Even if we go with these classes, they would come in after archers.

So that's a major evening update wasted on something that highly likely won't be in the game at release. Please focus on the parts of the game that are certain to be in it and haven't been covered yet over the remaining days. I know there has been a lot of interest in stealthers, but this is almost deceptive because people who like this idea and don't follow the Kickstarter as closely as some of us do are going to be thinking Veilwalkers will be in at launch when they most probably won't be. (This is also true of The Depths which is a stretch goal for a still undisclosed dollar amount.)

I dont see why "is it guaranteed to be in on day one?!" is so incredibly vital that ideas should just be ignored.  Thats only really important for the folks who just play each new MMO for a month and move on... but they never really become a part of the community anyway.

The entire point of a subscription model is that you can have continuous updates with improvements and new content.
  Tamanous

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4/26/13 2:02:45 PM#72

The biggest issue with this concept is that it is far bigger than just a stealth replacement. It is an entire alternate plane of existance (shares the material plane perhaps but no different than the astral plane in D&D for example). If implemented players will want more ... much more.

 

MJ is opening up a pandora's box with this idea. I hope he knows it. It may start out being a stealth like mechanics but it is a "place" not an ability. Players will want it expanded far beyond it's original design.

You stay sassy!

  DavisFlight

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4/26/13 2:28:39 PM#73
Originally posted by CluckingChicken
Dedicating an entire class or spec to just countering another class seems really excessive.

The stalker is supposed to be a support class, they will do more than just guard against stealth.

  DavisFlight

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4/26/13 2:29:51 PM#74
Originally posted by UOlover
Stealth shouldn't be this complicated. Just stop the stun lock for the entire health bar and instant vanishes

You could say this about just about any feature listed so far. But this game is trying to do MORE than games of the past. New ideas. We've grown so used to games that don't do anything different that when a game tries to be original, it's seem as delusional, impossible, or, excessive.

But for some of us it's seen as a breath of fresh air.

  waynejr2

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4/26/13 2:32:34 PM#75
Originally posted by naezgul

So you limit a stealthers to fighting only stealthérs and hunters that attack them?

no thanks

 DId I also read that you can simply enter forts when you get powerful enough? 

  Tierless

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OP  4/26/13 2:35:29 PM#76

"Oh look a defenseless crafter" gives chase (poof) Oh god Im in the veil "runs from VW"

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  Bahz

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4/26/13 3:19:19 PM#77

Doesnt sound like stealth, sounds like some instanced system to keep stealthers away...

I hope he implements the archer with camouflage as mentioned or a normal scout class

  redcapp

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4/26/13 3:30:04 PM#78
Originally posted by kaltahn
I think VW/VS a wonderful idea but I'd rather see this as a later addition to the game and have archers at launch instead.  That way the devs don't have to split focus on adding an additional layer (the Veil pseudo-world) to the game until after a finished product hits the 'shelves'.

MJ has stated that Archers come first.

  Niix_Ozek

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4/26/13 3:31:10 PM#79
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by UOlover
Stealth shouldn't be this complicated. Just stop the stun lock for the entire health bar and instant vanishes

You could say this about just about any feature listed so far. But this game is trying to do MORE than games of the past. New ideas. We've grown so used to games that don't do anything different that when a game tries to be original, it's seem as delusional, impossible, or, excessive.

But for some of us it's seen as a breath of fresh air.

Breaths of fresh air don't always work out... keep this in mind when you get into Beta, and the system sucks.

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  redcapp

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4/26/13 3:33:56 PM#80
Originally posted by Tamanous

The biggest issue with this concept is that it is far bigger than just a stealth replacement. It is an entire alternate plane of existance (shares the material plane perhaps but no different than the astral plane in D&D for example). If implemented players will want more ... much more.

 

MJ is opening up a pandora's box with this idea. I hope he knows it. It may start out being a stealth like mechanics but it is a "place" not an ability. Players will want it expanded far beyond it's original design.

Following the comments section last night gave the impression that he is well aware of these considerations and has already begun to theorize on additional ways in which this veil could be utilized.

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