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Darkfall: Unholy Wars

Darkfall: Unholy Wars 

General Discussion  » Aventurine making returning players buy the game AGAIN!

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4/26/13 10:22:25 AM#101
Originally posted by GroovyFlower
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

Yep just like FFXIV Reborn is a "new" game.  I hold nothing against this game or it's players but this practice of calling a timeout when you release a bad game and charging people to buy what is in affect the game that should have been released in the first place needs to back fire on Developers.  For the health of the industry this kind of thing needs to clearnly be seen as not a viable stratagy for companies to pursure.

DF:UW is not what the origional game should have been.. infact its probally as far away from the image of what they wanted darkfall to be as you can get without becoming a themepark game..


FFXIV reborn is not a new game, its a company fixing a massive massive horrible mess that FFXIV was.. Darkfall was a fulyl working MMORPG that was running for years. There is a big difference between the 2.

I am not sure why i am here defending AV as i think DF:UW is a shambles of a dumbed down MMORPG.

Darkfall was mainly developed by norwegians but few years back they left and game was re build by greeks and now we have a similar game just re-released as DFUW  dumb down version its greeks fault:P

The Game was created by a team including Greeks and norwegians since the start... they just moved from the norway studios to Greece so they can take a goverment paycheck for new companies. The Team is the same mix more or less with the leading person being a Greek (Tasos)

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4/26/13 10:47:19 AM#102

Wow OP you must feel real dumb right now. Having played DF1 for so long and not even noticing UW was on sale for returning players for several months before release.

Sucks to be u, br0.


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4/26/13 11:29:25 AM#103

I can see both sides of this debate, but one thing that is very misleading is this:

Aventurine is the first company to do what they did with shutting down DarkFall 1 and then opening up DarkFall: UnHoly Wars.


Every other MMO that started up a sequel kept the original running as well.


Everquest 1 --- kept running (and still is) when Everquest 2 was released. (Everquest Next is coming out soon)

Asheran's Call --- kept running (and still is) when Ashern's Call 2 was released. 

  • Side Note on AC2:  "Asheron's Call 2 failed to achieve enough subscribers to be viable and was shut down in December 2005. There are currently no plans to release the source code.[3] On December 13, 2012, Turbine announced that they were relaunching the game starting with a beta for all subscribers of Asheron's Call."'s_Call_2:_Fallen_Kings

Guild Wars --- kept running (and still is) when Guild Wars 2 was released.

Final Fantasy XI --- kept running (and still is) when Final Fantasy XIV was released.

  • Side Note on FFXIV relaunch which will be provided at no cost to original purchasers:  "The relaunch will carry over the original game's setting, lore and intended story, but incorporate a new client, graphics engine, server and data structures, a revamped interface, redesigned maps, more gameplay variations and additional story content."

Planetside --- kept running (and still is) when Planetside 2 was released.


I might be missing some, but those are the ones I remember (and played most of them).  


So, those that are arguing how this is no big deal, it's been done before.  

Nope.  It hasn't ever been done before in the MMO genre.  If anyone can find an instance where it has been done, post it in this thread and I will update this post.  


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4/26/13 12:10:13 PM#104
Good point Xzyax.  In the end it doesn't really matter.  If you were on old DF1 player and want to play but didn't take advantage of the limited time offer then you need to pay.  If you don't want to pay, you don't get to play.  Simple.  No use crying about it.  Move on.

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4/26/13 12:19:43 PM#105
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

Yep just like FFXIV Reborn is a "new" game.  I hold nothing against this game or it's players but this practice of calling a timeout when you release a bad game and charging people to buy what is in affect the game that should have been released in the first place needs to back fire on Developers.  For the health of the industry this kind of thing needs to clearnly be seen as not a viable stratagy for companies to pursure.



FFXIV reborn is not a new game, its a company fixing a massive massive horrible mess that FFXIV was.. Darkfall was a fulyl working MMORPG that was running for years. There is a big difference between the 2.



It's been said that only 5% of the assets from FFXIV 1.0 are being used in A Realm Reborn.  It's a totally new engine (they have to move every character to the new game), every area was completely redone and remade, it is an entirely new graphics / lighting engine and every attack animation is supposed to be different (Yoshi-P has said in an interview that everything was completely done, even the behind the scenes math since it was a new engine entirely and the combat had new flows).

In addition it is set years ahead of the first one, as they said in 1.0 it is a story you can only witness during that version, as everything will be remade in 2.0 and your characters will start years ahead of the ending of the first.  No quest is the same, no story is the same, everything is completely remade.

So yes, it is a new game by every defiinition.  Even more so than FFXIII and FFXIII-2 were as they reused even more assets in those games as well as the same old graphics engine and graphics.  More so than all these CoD game we see that use the same engine and the like every year.  They even have new servers and new server structures, and an actual ending to the first game to allow this "sequel" to happen.

Even still, those who bought the original get the box copy of the game for free, in addition to open beta and presumably a free month to play the game (old information, but no new information to go against it).

I'm not going against Darkfall in this, just stating that A Realm Reborn is very much a new game, and more so on par to being a sequel and the first MMO to truly be remade from the ground up (rather than just being touched upon here and there) in every aspect (even including music).

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4/26/13 12:21:06 PM#106
Originally posted by Badaboom
Good point Xzyax.  In the end it doesn't really matter.  If you were on old DF1 player and want to play but didn't take advantage of the limited time offer then you need to pay.  If you don't want to pay, you don't get to play.  Simple.  No use crying about it.  Move on.

Oh I don't disagree.


I'm just saying what they did IS new in the MMO genre.  So those saying it has been done before are misleading people.


I personally think that Aventurine should show their thanks to the original players by extending the "limited time offer" indefinitely.  It's not like they would be out much money if they did, and they could easily recoup that money in just a few months of subscription cost.  

It's not like some GOOD PR would hurt Aventurine any... just saying.  


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4/26/13 6:52:28 PM#107

I bought the original on the second day the store was open (for 15 minutes I think!), and due to time restraints I didn't think i would get back into it this time around so I waited until last night to buy it.  I paid full price again.

Although I certainly would not have argued with getting some kind of credit towards this current version (like the one they offered and I passed up), I also don't feel entitled to any sort of discount just because I bought the first game. As one of the very few mmorpgs that actually breaks the mold (and does it well), I feel it's easily worth the $80 I spent for the software over the 4 years, as well as being worth the monthly fee.

Sure, it's an unconventional way of going about it... but it's also not outrageous if you like this sort of thing.



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4/28/13 1:51:53 PM#108

I have more of an issue with companies like EA who charge $50 for  a half finished game with 10 hours of content and then want another $20 to fix the issues with the game and add another 10 hours of content.

Darkfall is more engaging, and has more dynamic and interesting content than any other MMO out there.  If you are too cheap to pay for good entertainment then you should probably go down to your local public library and read a book.


DFUW is a great value in terms of the entertainment it provides.

(Uzik ibnYaraq in game. Always willing to help.)

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