Trending Games | Elder Scrolls Online | Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn | World of Warcraft | WildStar

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,737,069 Users Online:0
Games:714  Posts:6,176,271
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Defiance

Defiance 

General Discussion  » Why all this single player crap in an MMO?

4 Pages « 1 2 3 4 » Search
61 posts found
  ShakyMo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

4/26/13 9:28:24 AM#21
If its completely ignorable like in gw2 I don't mind.

I hate being forced to do sprpg stuff though, like in swtor. Gets me thinking why am I paying a sub for this when I could be playing Witcher 2, skyrim, terraria etc..
  BrownAle

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/16/13
Posts: 402

4/26/13 9:43:17 AM#22
Originally posted by ShakyMo
If its completely ignorable like in gw2 I don't mind.

I hate being forced to do sprpg stuff though, like in swtor. Gets me thinking why am I paying a sub for this when I could be playing Witcher 2, skyrim, terraria etc..

Heres my frame of thought on the subject.

I disliked GW2, in fact the only reason i played it was i got into beta, and then afterward since people are basically giving away their accounts.

Defiance is a game that i would compare as a game that is the MOST like GW2 of all the others out there.

I like Defiance.

 

How do i like one not the other?

 

Well.  The story in Defiance is a few thousand times better than GW2's story.  Content is distributed in the same manner, and both games are light on depth, light on complexity.  The big stand out is defiance is a shooter.  The combat is way more fun because of it.  The combat is much less boring, and it pairs well with the GW2 style add content and light depth and complexity.  Also its bot some cliche high fantasy middle-age world.

 

Both games are "shallow" in depth and complexity.  However, i much rather aim and shoot, blow stuff up, get head shots, and drive around in an ATV pulling tricks as i get air...over the GW2 style boring tab target combat and boring travel.

Tab target combat is fun when combat is more strategy based, with a lot of skills.

 

If GW2 was a shooter, and its story wasnt incredibly bad, i would like GW2. 

 

So what works well for Defiance, imo, made GW2 and total flop.  I know the game has a very defensive crowd (which i expect to appear after this post), and enjoys a high level of traffic on this site...but man...there are a LOT of people willing to sell their copy and account for dirt cheap (or in my case just give me the log in and email account to use whenever i want) 

Not saying Defiance wont end up in the same situation, but i do know that Trion will keep making the game better and wont waste time making an 8 bit "lol why?" content pack for the game out of desperation.

  Whitebeards

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 750

4/26/13 9:49:42 AM#23
Originally posted by BrownAle
 

 

So what works well for Defiance, imo, made GW2 and total flop.  I know the game has a very defensive crowd (which i expect to appear after this post), and enjoys a high level of traffic on this site...but man...there are a LOT of people willing to sell their copy and account for dirt cheap (or in my case just give me the log in and email account to use whenever i want) 

Not saying Defiance wont end up in the same situation, but i do know that Trion will keep making the game better and wont waste time making an 8 bit "lol why?" content pack for the game out of desperation.

Well i hope it was a total flop for you because financialy it was a very successful B2P game and inspired devs of games like TSW and Defiance to follow in footstep of GW2. if GW2 didn't exist Defiance would be still going for 15 bucks a month route.

Also i find it ironic that you are saying that GW2 has a very defensive crowd. ;) Defiance has same level of defensive people who would jump on your for mentioning something slightly negative. You yourself have been doing it.

I haven't played GW2 yet but i know that game set a precednt for B2P model.

  Sovrath

Elite Member

Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 16944

4/26/13 9:56:34 AM#24
Originally posted by eAzydaman
Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Doesn't this belong in the solo vs group play thread? And hasn't your question been answered ad nauseum in that thread?

um /end rant

  lizardbones

Elite Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10377

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

4/26/13 10:14:58 AM#25


Originally posted by eAzydaman
Hi,

First of I understand that story missions are used in this game because of the TV show but why do all MMOs nowdays contain single player cut-scene stories? Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Age of conan , GW2, SWTOR etc etc all have these. Do people actually enjoy these? Why doesn't the developers spend time on more polish, co-op missions/quests, pvp etc.

I remember back in my DAOC days that it had a really minor main quest but in the end of that you needed ALOT of people to help you complete it and that was actually alot of fun.

Sorry if this upset some people who actually enjoy these missions but I just don't see the point of them in an MMO.

/end rant :P




It comes down to what people seemingly want in their MMOs. It seems like that is a single player RPG experience, with multiplayer content in a world shared with a lot of other people. Combine that with publishers wanting players being dependent upon the developer for a longer period of time than one weekend, and you could end up with something like Defiance.

That doesn't mean everyone wants that type of game, but there were indications to the people who wrote Defiance that what people wanted was the single player RPG experience.

I haven't played the game, but I would probably take more issue with the quality of that content, rather than the content existing. I can't really say for now though, since I'm not playing the game. I will say that the show seems interesting, kind of like a wild west show, but scifi.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  sycofiend

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/07/11
Posts: 127

4/26/13 1:28:57 PM#26
Originally posted by BrownAle

this another one of those"they dont force people to group with me so the game is a solo-rpg not a mmo" type of threads?

 

Im sorry, people like options.

 

If you dont want a single player experience, then play with other people.  I agree its more fun this way.  Stop being lame and pretending its not possible to play with others.  This goes for just about every other mmo where people bitch about how theres no content wall every step of the way that requires you to be in a group to pass.

 

Oh and for the counter argument that "theres no reward for doing group stuff"...if it means so much for you to make a thread like this then the fun of it is reward enough.  Yes in this game the reward is more rewards for grouping...so yeah...

I am enjoying Defiance, but I am a more traditional MMO player, never laid hands on a console shooter before. The biggest thing I see lacking from the community side, is no obvious way to communicate with other players (like just general scrolling chat)    at one point I randomly heard people talking which through me for a loop, and maybe console gamers used to this way, but for me I felt muted and unable to communiate with other people because of the lack of chat window.

That and no obvious social hubs,  just action or ammo / item boxes

  Drakynn

Novice Member

Joined: 3/02/08
Posts: 2051

4/26/13 1:32:41 PM#27

I like a little bit of Solo content personally for something to do inbetween groupa ctivities or massive group activities which aren't always available.

I think a better question is how to keep tacked on,ill fitting Multipalyer out of my single player games.

  botrytis

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2445

4/26/13 1:33:37 PM#28
Originally posted by BrownAle
Originally posted by ShakyMo
If its completely ignorable like in gw2 I don't mind.

I hate being forced to do sprpg stuff though, like in swtor. Gets me thinking why am I paying a sub for this when I could be playing Witcher 2, skyrim, terraria etc..

Heres my frame of thought on the subject.

I disliked GW2, in fact the only reason i played it was i got into beta, and then afterward since people are basically giving away their accounts.

Defiance is a game that i would compare as a game that is the MOST like GW2 of all the others out there.

I like Defiance.

 

How do i like one not the other?

 

Well.  The story in Defiance is a few thousand times better than GW2's story.  Content is distributed in the same manner, and both games are light on depth, light on complexity.  The big stand out is defiance is a shooter.  The combat is way more fun because of it.  The combat is much less boring, and it pairs well with the GW2 style add content and light depth and complexity.  Also its bot some cliche high fantasy middle-age world.

 

Both games are "shallow" in depth and complexity.  However, i much rather aim and shoot, blow stuff up, get head shots, and drive around in an ATV pulling tricks as i get air...over the GW2 style boring tab target combat and boring travel.

Tab target combat is fun when combat is more strategy based, with a lot of skills.

 

If GW2 was a shooter, and its story wasnt incredibly bad, i would like GW2. 

 

So what works well for Defiance, imo, made GW2 and total flop.  I know the game has a very defensive crowd (which i expect to appear after this post), and enjoys a high level of traffic on this site...but man...there are a LOT of people willing to sell their copy and account for dirt cheap (or in my case just give me the log in and email account to use whenever i want) 

Not saying Defiance wont end up in the same situation, but i do know that Trion will keep making the game better and wont waste time making an 8 bit "lol why?" content pack for the game out of desperation.

GW2 story is very complex - need to read the GW novels in order to understand what went on BEFORE the game started. It makes the game much more understandable -  Ghosts of Ascalon; Edge of Destiny: Sea of Sorrows (coming out this year).

 

Not being defensive, pointing out flaws in your logic. If you don't understand the back story of a game, it can look simple.

 

Defiance has the show - GW has the books. The show Defiance has been pretty terrible and the acting/dialogue so stilted I thought I was watching a play put on by a high school. The first GW is OK - no great shakes. The 2nd GW book goes into why Caithe, Eir Stegalkin, Logan Thackery, Rytlock Brimstone, and Snaff and Zojja came together and parted ways - it explains much of the Personal Story. There is plenty in the background and it makes good reading as well as filling in all the 'HUH?' moments in the game.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  akiira69

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 524

Need longer quote limits.

4/26/13 1:36:32 PM#29
Originally posted by eAzydaman

Hi,

First of I understand that story missions are used in this game because of the TV show but why do all MMOs nowdays contain single player cut-scene stories? Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Age of conan , GW2, SWTOR etc etc all have these. Do people actually enjoy these? Why doesn't the developers spend time on more polish, co-op missions/quests, pvp etc.

I remember back in my DAOC days that it had a really minor main quest but in the end of that you needed ALOT of people to help you complete it and that was actually alot of fun.

Sorry if this upset some people who actually enjoy these missions but I just don't see the point of them in an MMO.

/end rant :P

Because no one likes to be forced to group hunt. If you want forced group hunting the either go back to DAoC or go play a Korean MMO.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  WW4BW

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/03/06
Posts: 478

4/26/13 9:46:13 PM#30
Originally posted by fallenlords

I like MMO's but I don't like people.  So being able to solo content as a single player is a must for me.  I only like to group when I feel like grouping.  The odd day in the year when I am feeling social.   Defiance I like because it does have Ad hoc grouping through normal quests.  Which forces me to be a little bit more social than I like to be, and takes me out of my comfort zone.    I don't like the fact that as a single player in a lot of MMO's certain content is unavailable to me.    I try to solo everything, which doesn't normally end well.

 

Overall it's up to the game, not to force me to participate, but to gently nudge me in that direction.   I think Defiance does that quite well.  Fallen Earth I found was a game that seemed to have a bit of Ad hoc grouping. Most MMO's you only really experience the full potential of the game if you join guilds etc, which is kind of too heavy for some people. 

 What is it that you like about MMOs, since it is not other people?

 If you really group that rarely, then Im puzzled as to why you play these sorry excuses for a singleplayer game.. I mean why not play Assassins creed or Skyrim or the like?

 

  eAzydaman

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/21/07
Posts: 220

 
OP  4/27/13 1:25:49 AM#31
Originally posted by BrownAle

this another one of those"they dont force people to group with me so the game is a solo-rpg not a mmo" type of threads?

 

Im sorry, people like options.

 

If you dont want a single player experience, then play with other people.  I agree its more fun this way.  Stop being lame and pretending its not possible to play with others.  This goes for just about every other mmo where people bitch about how theres no content wall every step of the way that requires you to be in a group to pass.

 

Oh and for the counter argument that "theres no reward for doing group stuff"...if it means so much for you to make a thread like this then the fun of it is reward enough.  Yes in this game the reward is more rewards for grouping...so yeah...

That was not my point at all. I just said that I think they should focus more on the MMO aspect. If you want a good single player story there are plenty of other games to play.

And for the record I LIKE defiance. The shooting is really really fun. Well worth the 37 bucks I spent on the game. Just annoyed at the main mission which I feel doesn't fit in an MMO.

This is just my opinion though, I understand that they want to cater to all types of players.

  eAzydaman

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/21/07
Posts: 220

 
OP  4/27/13 1:37:17 AM#32
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by eAzydaman

Hi,

First of I understand that story missions are used in this game because of the TV show but why do all MMOs nowdays contain single player cut-scene stories? Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Age of conan , GW2, SWTOR etc etc all have these. Do people actually enjoy these? Why doesn't the developers spend time on more polish, co-op missions/quests, pvp etc.

I remember back in my DAOC days that it had a really minor main quest but in the end of that you needed ALOT of people to help you complete it and that was actually alot of fun.

Sorry if this upset some people who actually enjoy these missions but I just don't see the point of them in an MMO.

/end rant :P

Because no one likes to be forced to group hunt. If you want forced group hunting the either go back to DAoC or go play a Korean MMO.

Why play an MMO if you want  a single player experience? That said, I don't want forced grouping, just that all the content is playable in groups.

  eAzydaman

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/21/07
Posts: 220

 
OP  4/27/13 1:38:36 AM#33
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by eAzydaman

Hi,

First of I understand that story missions are used in this game because of the TV show but why do all MMOs nowdays contain single player cut-scene stories? Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Age of conan , GW2, SWTOR etc etc all have these. Do people actually enjoy these? Why doesn't the developers spend time on more polish, co-op missions/quests, pvp etc.

I remember back in my DAOC days that it had a really minor main quest but in the end of that you needed ALOT of people to help you complete it and that was actually alot of fun.

Sorry if this upset some people who actually enjoy these missions but I just don't see the point of them in an MMO.

/end rant :P

a minor main quest?

that was your epic story line quest giving you your epic armor!

 

but it was performed in open world :>

My bad, but I remember it was ALOT of fun to do these quests in groups. Didn't the last quest in the line require a shitload of people to complete? Was around 8-10 years since I played so my memory is a little foggy.

  someforumguy

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 3473

4/27/13 1:40:38 AM#34
Have to agree that I find forced solo just as bad as forced grouping. Content that automatically adapts its difficulty to the amount of players totally trumps this. But on the other hand, is probably also more difficult to develop.
  fallenlords

Novice Member

Joined: 5/16/10
Posts: 700

4/27/13 3:20:03 AM#35
Originally posted by WW4BW

 What is it that you like about MMOs, since it is not other people?

 If you really group that rarely, then Im puzzled as to why you play these sorry excuses for a singleplayer game.. I mean why not play Assassins creed or Skyrim or the like?

 

With MMO's I like having a large game world to explore, if it's an open world even better.   Exploration is my bag and things like achievements.  While single player games can offer large open worlds, the worlds are to a vast extent quite static.   With an MMO the world seems more alive and random.

  Muke

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1529

4/27/13 3:33:15 AM#36

 

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Hi,

First of I understand that story missions are used in this game because of the TV show but why do all MMOs nowdays contain single player cut-scene stories? Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Age of conan , GW2, SWTOR etc etc all have these. Do people actually enjoy these? Why doesn't the developers spend time on more polish, co-op missions/quests, pvp etc.

I remember back in my DAOC days that it had a really minor main quest but in the end of that you needed ALOT of people to help you complete it and that was actually alot of fun.

Sorry if this upset some people who actually enjoy these missions but I just don't see the point of them in an MMO.

/end rant :P

for me: a MMO is a online game in a virtual world that runs 23/7 with a lot of other players in it. It doesn't say I should group hug or do quests with them.

It's just that a lot of players are brainwashed by themepark developers that it's a rule in MMOs that you should group up and do group quests.

 

 

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  MyownGod

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/09
Posts: 186

4/27/13 3:35:32 AM#37
Originally posted by Lazarus71

People would do themselves a big favor if they would treat this as a persisten online third person shooter and not an MMO regardless of what the devs or anyone else has said.

As to all the content being soloable that is completely up to the player as the tools are there to group. I personally like having the option to do one or the other as the mood strikes me.

I don't know, I really consider Defiance as MMOTPS, since you are playing with 100s other people, and can play together with the story mission if you wish to.

  MyownGod

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/09
Posts: 186

4/27/13 3:43:07 AM#38
Originally posted by eAzydaman
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by eAzydaman

Hi,

First of I understand that story missions are used in this game because of the TV show but why do all MMOs nowdays contain single player cut-scene stories? Why waste time on that when there are ALOT of single player games with far superior stories and gameplay.

Age of conan , GW2, SWTOR etc etc all have these. Do people actually enjoy these? Why doesn't the developers spend time on more polish, co-op missions/quests, pvp etc.

I remember back in my DAOC days that it had a really minor main quest but in the end of that you needed ALOT of people to help you complete it and that was actually alot of fun.

Sorry if this upset some people who actually enjoy these missions but I just don't see the point of them in an MMO.

/end rant :P

Because no one likes to be forced to group hunt. If you want forced group hunting the either go back to DAoC or go play a Korean MMO.

Why play an MMO if you want  a single player experience? That said, I don't want forced grouping, just that all the content is playable in groups.

Exactly!! There is plenty of amazing single player games, it's kinda pointless that you are isolating your self from the community by going solo all the time. What makes a great mmo is the community, for example "WoW" still going on right now cause they have a great community, I remember when Ragnarok was big and I just loved the people would just chill around and chat, when Maple story only had the adventurer classes, beautiful community!. 

An mmo doesn't need to be forced grouping, as long as the grouping system implemented and should have more benefit to the player it self when they are playing in a group, than the people that chooses to play solo.

  Isawa

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/20/08
Posts: 1066

4/27/13 4:39:29 AM#39
Originally posted by eAzydaman
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Atleast in AOC and SWTOR there is an option to take a friend with you if you don't want to solo story.. In Defiane you are forced to solo story missions.

Yeah I agree, if you can do them to their full potential with other people I'm fine with it. Guild Wars 2 almost had it but in some mission you couldn't do much as the one helping, just distract mobs etc.

You should be able to do the quest/mission at the same time with equal involvement from all the players and with difficulty scaling.

The co-op missions in Defiance are alot of fun. They should have made 20 more of those instead of the main story IMO.

From my experience in the game, you're both wrong. I had already done the main story mission with the lawkeeper and the sniper boss on the barn. The next day, I grouped up with my brother who hadn't done that main quest yet. He started it and I joined his phase for the mission. Resaw the cutscenes and everything.

So you're wrong, unless I experienced a bug lol. Or if the option is only there to repeat the main quest via a team member who hand't yet - makes no sense though haha.

Serious question, did you actually try to do a main mission in a team or just talking. That goes for everyone. What else do people want to randomly complain about next?

Edited: to address others than the OP solely :)

  Isawa

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/20/08
Posts: 1066

4/27/13 4:51:24 AM#40
I'll add that I looked into this futher, and the PC has atleast 1 solo story mission. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/632956-defiance/65863773 Maybe one of the first ones?
4 Pages « 1 2 3 4 » Search