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  Ramonski7

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4/25/13 10:47:42 AM#41
Originally posted by keithian

I watched a few videos and the Total Biscuits play and after watching I'm trying to understand why anyone playing current available MMOs anyone would jump into this.

A) First off, in the Total Buscuit Video, he asked how would you differentiate this from WOW. The representative's only responses were:

1) The Combat

2) The Changing Builds

If that is the best answer he could give,  this game is not the holy grail these forums are making it out to be. A combat only focus didn't work for TERA and though I think GW2 is a good game, changing builds doesn't make it the worlds best game either. I stopped at end level and had no desire to continue playing.

B) The graphics/ artistry is going to turn off anyone who prefers more realism such as AOC, GW2, Rift, and hopefully Elder Scrolls Online once people realize the leaked video will not look as graphically unappealing as what that idiot playing showed by turning down all of the graphics settings. This to me looks like an Ipad Game. Kids will like it though. Yes, I believe graphics do matter in todays age. I have a powerful computer and I want something that looks nice. If people want to hang onto a 7 year old computer with a GT 7800 thats your problem.

C) Same issue that plagues other games. Mobs just stand around doing nothing. Liveliness of the world will depend on players. A good modern MMO must have a world that feels alive and that includes the NPCs.

D) Despite the ability to explore, me being an explorer, it doesn't look like a pretty enough world where I would want to.

So am I missing something that is a shocker feature  that says, wow, this is awesome, I haven't seen this in other MMOs, let me jump to this game? Anyone?

Dunno for me people that complain about something as superficial as graphics before they experience the actual game is like turning down a date with a supermodel just because she's wearing a schoolgirl outfit. Sure she could dress like a slut to enhance the visual effect but honestly I'd still want to tap that just to see how she runs...

 

But for some clothes matter and for others they don't. It's as simple as that and I respect that decision. But to come off the bat trying to belittle others that may not mind stylized graphics over Robert E. Howard type graphics is a bit 17 and under if you ask me. I just happen to enjoy both from time to time.


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  achesoma

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4/25/13 10:48:03 AM#42
Originally posted by Roxtarr
When my oldest was about 5 I tried to get him to drink out of a 'bottled' water bottle and he got very angry because he thought it looked too much like a baby bottle and he HAD to prove he wans't a baby.  It seems to be that there is a certain group of gamers that have to somehow prove that they are 'mature' by accusing every cartoony game as being a 'kids' thing. I'm 38 years old and have come to fully admit that I love cartoons, video games and comic books. Some people are too busy proving how mature they are to realize they are still just playing a video game.

Exactly.  It's MMO hipsters worried about looking cool or mature instead of simply having fun.  The irony is that it's the older people that couldn't care less about appearing mature. 

 

For me, it's the going back to vanilla/TBC WoW type raiding with twitch combat, player housing system, the pathing system, warplots(which is essentially raiding for pvpers), and I actually like the art style.  It has that Futurama feel that I love.  You can fight an evil vending machine!  How is that NOT cool?

  Nadia

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4/25/13 11:16:09 AM#43
Originally posted by Vembumees

Might have as well made a thread with a question why would anyone above 17 want to play video games. What the hell has age got to do with taste. There are as many successful adult players in games like maple story like in Eve or any other game. Stupid and ignorant thread.

well said :)

  udon

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4/25/13 11:22:46 AM#44

Mechanics matters a lot more than graphics to me.  Honestly I think the older you get the less you care about graphics and the more you care about how the game plays.  "Photorealistic" games make me feel like I'm in a alternate dimension or something because stuff only ever looks almost right.  There is always something in the back of your mind telling you things are not right.  Stylized game graphics don't have that issue since they look nothing like the real world.

Also I think not all but a lot of the people who like photorealism in games are a bit on the unmature side themselves.  A large precentage of them tend to expect things like blood and gore and boob sliders.

As for your other arguments we will just have to see how it goes.  Wildstar is a lot of promise right now with little in the way of information to back it up.  Although since it does't even have a release date yet that's ok with me.

  Omali

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4/25/13 12:18:31 PM#45
Originally posted by Vembumees

Might have as well made a thread with a question why would anyone above 17 want to play video games. What the hell has age got to do with taste. There are as many successful adult players in games like maple story like in Eve or any other game. Stupid and ignorant thread.

 

I don't think you have even got to the adulthood yet to have not understood that people have different tastes and more than 50% of the population would literally just kill themselves rather than live in your personal dream world.

It's the no fun allowed crowd. Once you turn 17, your tastes are supposed to immediately change. No more soda, you will take your coffee black without sugar and like it. Also, you're an adult now. Anything you watch is going to be brutal, and realistic, and have copious amounts of blood, dismembered body parts, and tits. 

  keithian

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OP  4/25/13 2:50:00 PM#46
Originally posted by Mellowicious

Some of us don't want anything new. Wildstar takes what works and improves on that, that's good enough for me. I was waiting for something new as well and tought gw2 would be 'it', but I was wrong, so I gave up and will stick to games that are so called 'wow clones' until I am proven wrong. Wildstar for me has all the features I would want in a mmo (raids, arena's, bgs, housing etc.). 

 

About the graphics, I don't mind them. They're cartoony and funny and it just sorta works for the game. Although I do prefer more realistic graphics, I do get why they went with this route. The graphics won't get outdated as soon and some people just prefer cartoony graphics. It's also less requiring, so you won't be needing the latest hardware.

 

But you obviously don't like the game and are just hating on it from what I have read, so why bother with this thread? You're not trying to understand anything. We gave you reasons, but you don't care.

You obviously didn't read the OP and are just getting defensive. I am trying to understand and as I wrote the only thing I saw (at the time of your post) was references to improved combat and builds which is nothing new and I can't imagine any of my friends in WOW leaving an already similar proven playground with tons of tons of features and friends for a two somewhat medium to minor improvements (even if I tired of WOW many years ago). 

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  keithian

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OP  4/25/13 2:55:12 PM#47
Originally posted by miguksaram
So OP you are saying that you as an adult don't understand how another adult might have a different perspective/opinion on a given topic/subject matter than you?  The Borg is looking for people such as yourself.

Where did you say that I wrote that? Don't mis-paraphrase. I'm trying to understand to an adult that is currently either playing WOW or another recent MMO why this MMO which looks geared toward younger folks appeals to them. Based on the character models, the marketing, and everything else I have seen it is not in the spirit of games that would target the older generation. Of course there are always exceptions. I know lots of people that still are in the 30s and watch Saturday morning cartoons...actually, I don't know anyone, except my one friend Gio, but he's weird.

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  keithian

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OP  4/25/13 2:59:07 PM#48
 

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  keithian

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OP  4/25/13 3:01:25 PM#49
Originally posted by Derros

The graphics have an almost, Pixar-like charm to them, that I really appreciate.  Realistic graphics are hard to nail down. One of the reason I quit Rift, was that the art-style, just didnt click with me at all.  I prefer things a bit exagerated and stylized.  GW2 was stylized enough to feel right.  AoC, eh, the graphics were good quality, everything just seemed to be green and brown for the most part.

 

With GW2 I thought I was ready for the trinity to be over, but, I realized I really feel at home as a healer or DPS (tankings a bit to stressful for me).  GW2 dungeons, were difficult, but doable, but, to me, they just weren't FUN.  So I'm looking forward to a return so some of the more tried mechanics.  Not to mention housing is a real big draw for me.

 

 

I can respect this opinion. For you it really is an art style preference. Rift art style was right up my alley, but I though the lore and questing system was boring even though I liked the Dynamic Event concept.

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  Torvaldr

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4/25/13 3:05:45 PM#50
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by miguksaram
So OP you are saying that you as an adult don't understand how another adult might have a different perspective/opinion on a given topic/subject matter than you?  The Borg is looking for people such as yourself.

Where did you say that I wrote that? Don't mis-paraphrase. I'm trying to understand to an adult that is currently either playing WOW or another recent MMO why this MMO which looks geared toward younger folks appeals to them. Based on the character models, the marketing, and everything else I have seen it is not in the spirit of games that would target the older generation. Of course there are always exceptions. I know lots of people that still are in the 30s and watch Saturday morning cartoons...actually, I don't know anyone, except my one friend Gio, but he's weird.

That assumption is where you're going wrong.  You're not going to get an answer because you're asking the wrong question based on some horrible assumptions.

I watched Angry Beavers on Netlix with my daughter last night.  I watched animated entertainment a lot.  I don't watch Saturday morning cartoons because I don't have cable and I don't watch network programming.  I watch television and movies through services.  That way I can watch whatever I want when I want.

What several older posters in this thread seem to be trying to communicate is that they don't fit the mold you're imagining.  The older I get the less I actually care if I'm conforming to a generic mold of what I'm supposed to be and like.

Curse you AquaScum!

  keithian

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OP  4/25/13 3:07:44 PM#51
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Vembumees

Might have as well made a thread with a question why would anyone above 17 want to play video games. What the hell has age got to do with taste. There are as many successful adult players in games like maple story like in Eve or any other game. Stupid and ignorant thread.

well said :)

I was being sarcastic about the specific age line so stop crying. So far, almost nobody has said anything that answers the question I asked, only defensive rants. I guess this means the game really won't pull too much of the WOW crowd away let alone those who don't like WOW anymore.

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  korent1991

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4/25/13 3:17:52 PM#52
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by ShakyMo
It's less cartoony, but its still cartoony.

If you look at wild star or wow's characters or world you will find exagerated proportions and angles.

There is no such thing in GW2. It might have adopted a more vivid color palettebut but it aims to be a more "real" representation of the world and its inhabitants.

Wild Star's art design follows its whimsical nature.

And last I checked, adults (some adults) can still appreciate whimsy.

edit: additionally, if you actually zoom in and look at the skin of any guild wars 2 charcter you will actually find skin texture and small imperfections.

 

Put GW2 on medium settings it does start to look very Cartoon Stylized.  But on max settings GW2 doesn't look anything like WoW.  It's really an odd game that changes so much by adjusting the graphics settings a little bit.

 

OP is not as desperate for something different as many of us.  I really dislike stylized cartoon graphics but I'm so desperate for some different ideas/gameplay in the genre I'm willing to over look the graphics.  Gameplay is infinitely more important than graphics. 

not really..

 

these were all taken on medium settings...

On topic... it's not really important what gstyle the game uses as long as its fun and has good mechanics with a good company/devs to back it up with updates and/or expansions/DLC and constant upgrades when needed...

WOW still attracts alot of people (yes, alot of people also quits) but it doesn't mean people who play the game are immature or whatever (I guess you're trying to say gstyle is immature so I guess that's the word you were targeting?). I mean, why should someone feel like he shouldn't be playing some game becaus of it's art style?

It's like saying "cartoons and animated movies are for kids". I'm sure alot of people would jump right on the flame train instantly :D 

With that said, I don't really see much in this game that would interest ME. It doesn't look like there's much to offer apart from the "same old, same old" thing that I've played for too long and overburned it. It does "look" kinda okay and I guess they're not really targeting for the top 5 places of mmorpg titles. :D

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  Torvaldr

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4/25/13 3:22:59 PM#53
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Vembumees

Might have as well made a thread with a question why would anyone above 17 want to play video games. What the hell has age got to do with taste. There are as many successful adult players in games like maple story like in Eve or any other game. Stupid and ignorant thread.

well said :)

I was being sarcastic about the specific age line so stop crying. So far, almost nobody has said anything that answers the question I asked, only defensive rants. I guess this means the game really won't pull too much of the WOW crowd away let alone those who don't like WOW anymore.

Again you're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions that you've already formed.  How is anyone supposed to tell you're being sarcastic.  It could be Vembumees was also employing sarcasm to make a point.  I doubt anyone thinks you literally meant 17.  I got the impression that you consider the style to be juvenille.

Nobody can seriously answer your question becasue it is stated from a false premise.  Does that make sense?

Curse you AquaScum!

  Grohmm

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4/25/13 4:51:50 PM#54

Well, i'v read the topic so I'll try to respond with facts!

First of all, yes, the game looks cartoony. But not the same cartoony look as WoW. The characters are really Art-stylized, with special body constitution and not realistical body like WoW humans or undead, or elves. In WS, even the human seems to come from a Ratchet and clank game or a Pixar movie.

The graphisms fit with the global humor of the game. The atmosphere is really unique, and the art contributes to the immersion.

In my point of view, I see the graphisms like an expression of the skills of the artists. The art is clean, the graphic engine is really powerfull with really nice textures who do not age. It's not like a 2005 game. We don't see the polygons everywhere and the crapy textures we see in WoW.

If you look closer into the graphic mechanisms, you can see that the faces of NPC/ player characters are totally animated, and it feels really nice. The whole bodies are well-animated, from the feet to the fingers who are independants, not like WoW for example. The esquives, sprint, swin, jump/double-jump animations are completely fluid. So you absolutely enjoy the game when you play it :)

The gear is fully textured with the relief and animations of different parts. I don't know of they use the tessellation process, but it's not like a "printed texture" on the character body like WoW.

When we look at the world, we can see that he is living!!! The fauna and flora follows their lives, the scavengers eat the corpses, the plants interact with close npc/pc. The wind affects plants, trees, flags, sheets etc... And the water is amazing :o

For me, it's way more realistic than games like GW or Rift, because the sensation of a real world around is just perfect. Look at how characters of GW run :/ They have a stick in their a** :o

And we are only talking about the graphisms and the art! The features are simply bluffing, in my opinion, WS is just THE mmo I was waiting for since many years!! The MMORPG of my dreams :P

So I'm 25 years old, I do a lot of sport, I like fashion, movies, music, cars, trip and I'm handsome (+ i'm not English, so i hope you can understand all my answer). So i'm not the stereotype you can imagine, and I hope this answer will help changing your opinion about this game, and cartoony games in general :) Because It would be really silly if you missed a great game only for his graphisms!

  ElRenmazuo

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4/25/13 6:16:41 PM#55
I know lots of adults who love spyro the dragon and ratchet and clank games...I dont think its graphics are going to hurt the game at all.  Just because a game has cartoon type graphics doesnt make it only for kids...look at Bioshock Infinite.  mmos that try to go for photo-realism gets dated faster and are harder to improve to stay looking up to date with new games.  WoW didnt look as good as it does now when it came out, they improved the textures a lot.

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  Nikopol

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4/25/13 7:50:13 PM#56
Originally posted by tkreep
I know lots of adults who love spyro the dragon and ratchet and clank games...I dont think its graphics are going to hurt the game at all.  Just because a game has cartoon type graphics doesnt make it only for kids....

Yeah, in my experience older people actually prefer stylized (or even cartoony) visuals over realistic ones.

  reeereee

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4/25/13 8:36:44 PM#57
I gave this game a second look because it's not in a tradition fantasy setting and has sandbox elements.
  Eir_S

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4/25/13 8:43:15 PM#58
I never saw GW2's graphics as particularly cartoony.  As opposed to what?  TSW?  That game looks awkward to me.  Wildstar's are definitely cartoony, but I'm not sure why it bothers people so much.  How many of the world's most iconic franchises have been "cartoony"?  Answer:  A whole lot.
  Alders

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4/25/13 8:46:22 PM#59
Originally posted by Nikopol
Originally posted by tkreep
I know lots of adults who love spyro the dragon and ratchet and clank games...I dont think its graphics are going to hurt the game at all.  Just because a game has cartoon type graphics doesnt make it only for kids....

Yeah, in my experience older people actually prefer stylized (or even cartoony) visuals over realistic ones.

I have the exact opposite experience, myself included.

  ElRenmazuo

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4/25/13 9:29:32 PM#60
I tried to get back into vanguard and eq2 both of which came out after WoW and i couldnt stand how bad the graphics looked but i know i loved them when they first released...but when i went back to playing WoW again i didnt have that same feeling about the visuals cuz it still looks good but better with higher res textures but vanguard and eq2 still has mid 2000s graphics. 

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