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  mackdawg19

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4/25/13 3:55:51 PM#61

Game world is actually different, yes its a similar shape but a lot has changed..

They promised that the exp pack DF2010/arena would be free.. but they stopped making that and instead decided to be a totally new game.

You actually think Aventurine who can't even fix there old game, spent one year making DF 2.0 and its not the same game? Cmon people, they are an independent studio, this is NOT a new game. Any game developer can tell you the amount of time it really takes to build a new game. So instead of comparing this game to a console games development, which is ten folds quicker, try an MMORPG. So name one MMORPG that shut down its servers after the first game, and had a BRAND NEW game within a year? I will be waiting...........

And While we wait for your answer, ask me this, is this the EXPANSION they talked about or not? Because with as small as this company is, how in the hell did they go from working on an expansion for 1.0 to ditching that and working on a new game client in a matter of less than 2 years and be almost feature complete shocks me. You really think this isn't the same old game spiced up? They are either feeding you guys a bunch of bull, or they are simply thee best gaming company with thee fastest developers and coders in the world. I'm going to point my finger at my first assumption seeing as MMORPG game development is one of the longest development cycles of any game type. Don't beleive me, just ask Blizzard who employs a mass amount of developers, how long it took to put WoW together and how long its taken them with Titan. You really think Aventurine has better coders than Blizzard? This whole thread is funny to say the least....and thats my 2 cents.

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 3:56:16 PM#62
Exactly a limited time offer what kind of bull crap is that???  Do it right and give it to every returning player, they already bought the right to play darkfall when they bought darkfall the first time!

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  Yamota

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4/25/13 3:58:34 PM#63
Originally posted by jfoytek

Well it would seem that Aventurine does not have good business ethics....

 

Customer buys a game,  game is shut down and remade, customers wait for the new product.

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

 

Simple Basic Business ethics, you give your returning customer the game for free after all he is PAYING A SUBSCRIPTION!!!

 

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I agree. They say it is a new game but it is not. It is a reskinned and optimized version of the old Darkfall and is in no way worth buying again.

That is one of the reasons why I am not playing this game. I refuse to buy a new version of a game which I already bought and this is not like GW/GW 2. Those are completely different games, different engine and everything. This one reuses a lot of the assets of the old game.

  Lahuzer

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4/25/13 4:05:50 PM#64
Holy crap. I did not know this. That it was a limited time that you could buy it as a old player. Luckily I did that, but sure sux for those that didn't. They need to fix this ASAP. Rly lame.
  Onigod

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4/25/13 4:07:58 PM#65

I got the game for free.

 

Darkfall players had the option to buy darkfall unholy wars + 1 month sub for just 1 month worth of subscription for a   long period.  old players were also emailed about this.

  Hotjazz

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4/25/13 4:08:12 PM#66
Originally posted by Yamota

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I agree. They say it is a new game but it is not. It is a reskinned and optimized version of the old Darkfall and is in no way worth buying again.

I agree

I bought civilization and sim city years ago, but still they wanted me to pay for Civ 2, civ 3, civ 4 and civ 5. It was the same with the sim series, but this time I refused to buy the last one.

 

I`m planning to send them an e-mail to claim the games for free, because it`s clearly just a reskinned version of the others.

 

Criminals and hoodlums, that`s what all of them are.

  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 4:10:58 PM#67

Madden 13 should of been free, MW 2 and 3!!!!

 

Ugh who cares... just don't play the game, So many new players to answer questions for in Global right now I wouldn't want people like you going in with a underlying chip on your shoulder trollings global as it is.

  Lahuzer

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4/25/13 4:19:50 PM#68
Originally posted by Hotjazz
Originally posted by Yamota

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I agree. They say it is a new game but it is not. It is a reskinned and optimized version of the old Darkfall and is in no way worth buying again.

I agree

I bought civilization and sim city years ago, but still they wanted me to pay for Civ 2, civ 3, civ 4 and civ 5. It was the same with the sim series, but this time I refused to buy the last one.

 

I`m planning to send them an e-mail to claim the games for free, because it`s clearly just a reskinned version of the others.

 

Criminals and hoodlums, that`s what all of them are.

What you don't get is that peeps can still play CIV 2, 3, etc if they bought it. Players that bought DF1 can't play it any more. You know. They shut it down. So yeah, bad move by AV to not have the deal for old players ALL the time...

  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 4:22:51 PM#69
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Hotjazz
Originally posted by Yamota

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I agree. They say it is a new game but it is not. It is a reskinned and optimized version of the old Darkfall and is in no way worth buying again.

I agree

I bought civilization and sim city years ago, but still they wanted me to pay for Civ 2, civ 3, civ 4 and civ 5. It was the same with the sim series, but this time I refused to buy the last one.

 

I`m planning to send them an e-mail to claim the games for free, because it`s clearly just a reskinned version of the others.

 

Criminals and hoodlums, that`s what all of them are.

What you don't get is that peeps can still play CIV 2, 3, etc if they bought it. Players that bought DF1 can't play it any more. You know. They shut it down you know. So yeah, bad move by AV to not have the deal for old players ALL the time...

But I can't play Asherons Call 2, Tabula Rasa, Matrix Online or Pre-Trammel UO (On actual servers) because that's how MMO's ONLINE WORLDS work when they go offline. Don't be ignorant just because you want to find an angle to support your cause.

  xm522

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4/25/13 4:23:32 PM#70

I think many of you are either being ass holes, or are actually on the slow side.

what AV did was as follow, they used the money that subscribers provided, where that money was supposed to go into maintaining and upgrading the world. they then saw fit to create a new game using this money while at the same time shutting down the old game and charging the same people who funded the development of the new game a full box price.

1. you pay a subscription fee, you expect a game to stay open if it can, or shut down if it cant maintain itself.

2. game not only maintained itself but it allowed the developers to do another project on the side. (work that could have gone to the original?)

3. the game you were playing was shut down, and if you want to play this new shiny version of a game you helped support then you have to pay.

this can be analogous to WoW vanilla being open for 1 year, then shutting down and releasing burning crusade and you have to pay full price for it.

i wouldnt see what they are doing as wrong if the orginal DF stayed open, but they are foribly shutting the game down... lets also remember that expansions are optional. i would hate it if i couldnt play GW2 anymore because i had to buy the new expansion id not i'm not allowed to play.

for all of you calling the OP a whiner... you need to reflect on what you are saying.

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 4:27:27 PM#71
Originally posted by Hotjazz
Originally posted by Yamota

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I agree. They say it is a new game but it is not. It is a reskinned and optimized version of the old Darkfall and is in no way worth buying again.

I agree

I bought civilization and sim city years ago, but still they wanted me to pay for Civ 2, civ 3, civ 4 and civ 5. It was the same with the sim series, but this time I refused to buy the last one.

 

I`m planning to send them an e-mail to claim the games for free, because it`s clearly just a reskinned version of the others.

 

Criminals and hoodlums, that`s what all of them are.

Silly arguement Civilization and Sim's are stand alone games not mmo's....  They didnt uninstall your previous version of the game and confiscate your CD so you couldnt play it did they>?

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  Excession

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4/25/13 4:27:56 PM#72
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Ichmen

isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt?

i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?

Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.

Really? so you have never heard of the NGE? lol

DF:UW started out as an expansion of DF, and along the way they decided to convert it into a new game.

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  Lahuzer

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4/25/13 4:28:44 PM#73
Originally posted by xm522

I think many of you are either being ass holes, or are actually on the slow side.

what AV did was as follow, they used the money that subscribers provided, where that money was supposed to go into maintaining and upgrading the world. they then saw fit to create a new game using this money while at the same time shutting down the old game and charging the same people who funded the development of the new game a full box price.

1. you pay a subscription fee, you expect a game to stay open if it can, or shut down if it cant maintain itself.

2. game not only maintained itself but it allowed the developers to do another project on the side. (work that could have gone to the original?)

3. the game you were playing was shut down, and if you want to play this new shiny version of a game you helped support then you have to pay.

this can be analogous to WoW vanilla being open for 1 year, then shutting down and releasing burning crusade and you have to pay full price for it.

i wouldnt see what they are doing as wrong if the orginal DF stayed open, but they are foribly shutting the game down... lets also remember that expansions are optional. i would hate it if i couldnt play GW2 anymore because i had to buy the new expansion id not i'm not allowed to play.

for all of you calling the OP a whiner... you need to reflect on what you are saying.

^This. This guy gets it.

  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 4:34:01 PM#74
Originally posted by xm522

I think many of you are either being ass holes, or are actually on the slow side.

what AV did was as follow, they used the money that subscribers provided, where that money was supposed to go into maintaining and upgrading the world. they then saw fit to create a new game using this money while at the same time shutting down the old game and charging the same people who funded the development of the new game a full box price.

1. you pay a subscription fee, you expect a game to stay open if it can, or shut down if it cant maintain itself.

2. game not only maintained itself but it allowed the developers to do another project on the side. (work that could have gone to the original?)

3. the game you were playing was shut down, and if you want to play this new shiny version of a game you helped support then you have to pay.

this can be analogous to WoW vanilla being open for 1 year, then shutting down and releasing burning crusade and you have to pay full price for it.

i wouldnt see what they are doing as wrong if the orginal DF stayed open, but they are foribly shutting the game down... lets also remember that expansions are optional. i would hate it if i couldnt play GW2 anymore because i had to buy the new expansion id not i'm not allowed to play.

for all of you calling the OP a whiner... you need to reflect on what you are saying.

I'm 100% confident AV had a small enough population to close whenever they wanted if SWG did, Just because they managed to put a new game out instead of packing up shop like other MMO's did doesn't mean it's an out right scam, within the terms of service agreement it clearly states a MMO can go away at anytime it see's fit, DF1 had some MAJOR flaws and the entire world was destroyed by exploits and hacking of the early players. The new game plays different with some similarities and most importantly it's being primed to maintain players so stop the BS. I say this as someone who paid full price for both games , I have no regrets, then again I'm an adult with a job and treat gaming as an enterainment or hobby and much like Softball or batting cages or anything I do IRL I gotta pay money each time I do it or for every league and so forth... I go out and eat with family/friends... bills are 30-200$ easy so I rationalize it that way. Bet the OP isn't posting threads to Burger King about 10 dollar value meals when 30 pounds of beef cost the same much and he could make 120 quarter pounders.

  Tierless

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4/25/13 4:35:21 PM#75

If I didnt have to buy it again I would have come back.

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  Tierless

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4/25/13 4:36:14 PM#76


Originally posted by Byrhofen

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.
Really? so you have never heard of the NGE? lol

DF:UW started out as an expansion of DF, and along the way they decided to convert it into a new game.


Just seeing those the letters side by side makes me cringe. I bought a game, NGE made it a different game, I no longer played my game and was sad.

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  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 4:36:45 PM#77
Originally posted by Tierless

If I didnt have to buy it again I would have come back.

It's cool, you bought a game that may never exist... Stick with that one?

  PAL-18

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4/25/13 4:45:48 PM#78
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Hotjazz
Originally posted by Yamota

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I agree. They say it is a new game but it is not. It is a reskinned and optimized version of the old Darkfall and is in no way worth buying again.

I agree

I bought civilization and sim city years ago, but still they wanted me to pay for Civ 2, civ 3, civ 4 and civ 5. It was the same with the sim series, but this time I refused to buy the last one.

 

I`m planning to send them an e-mail to claim the games for free, because it`s clearly just a reskinned version of the others.

 

Criminals and hoodlums, that`s what all of them are.

What you don't get is that peeps can still play CIV 2, 3, etc if they bought it. Players that bought DF1 can't play it any more. You know. They shut it down you know. So yeah, bad move by AV to not have the deal for old players ALL the time...

But I can't play Asherons Call 2, Tabula Rasa, Matrix Online or Pre-Trammel UO (On actual servers) because that's how MMO's ONLINE WORLDS work when they go offline. Don't be ignorant just because you want to find an angle to support your cause.

That is absolutely fantastic list and now you can add Darkfall UW into that and that is somehow a good thing ?

 

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  Tofke

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Sometimes I wish I was a balloon!

4/25/13 4:46:45 PM#79

Kinda funny people are comparing it to GW1->GW2, EQ1->EQ2 are you guys really that deluded? They failed with the original then decide to remake it (no not build a new game), and you people go "Oh yes, screw us over please".

No wonder every year the industry gets worse to its customers...

Square Enix did even more then Aventurine with their overhaul and had the decency and common logic to not let the customers pay for their failure.

  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 4:48:27 PM#80
Originally posted by tofke

Kinda funny people are comparing it to GW1->GW2, EQ1->EQ2 are you guys really that deluded? They failed with the original then decide to remake it (no not build a new game), and you people go "Oh yes, screw us over please".

No wonder every year the industry gets worse to its customers...

Square Enix did even more then Aventurine with their overhaul and had the decency and common logic to not let the customers pay for their failure.

the population is packed so yeah guess it's I who is dilutted and not the handful of people in this thread refusing to buy.

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