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  Loktofeit

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4/12/13 4:45:15 PM#61
Originally posted by WW4BW

What they are investigating, is the fact that some of the most popular free apps are infact purpose built to trick parents into letting their children pay massive amounts for boost ingame.

The standard setting on Itunes is to require a password to open for transactions for 15 minutess (+15 minutes every time you buy.)

So if parents enter their password once to allow for a 1$ transaction it is now open for unlimited use, as long as they buy more than once every 15 minutes. 

Some of what they can buy is priced so outrageously and it can be dificult for children to destiguish the game from the shop.

On top of that Apple makes it very hard to find a customer support number to call to get a refund.. and they make damn sure to tell you that its extraordinary that you do get a refund.

Having games that allow you to spend thousands on micro transactions within minutes or hours, aimed at children is disgusting.

All that being said.. if you have an Ipad and you let your children use it. Make sure to change the Appstore settings to immediate and not 15 mins. That way you have to enter your password for every transaction. 

That's pretty much the issue in a nutshell. The app shops and the developers need to regulate it and create some kind of safeguard or governments are going to get involved. The other solution is for parents to be more watchful and not use their damn iPad as a babysitter, but i realize that's too much to ask of a lot of parents these days, so I'm hoping the industry steps in before government does.

 

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  Helleri

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4/12/13 6:00:39 PM#62

Government seems to be a buzzword on this thread....I know that the federal government of the United States (my country) tends to only establish law and enforcement of law for business practices, where the business is so big that it effects the common good. Agencies like the ATF insure that there is less un-safe misconduct in the manufacter and distribution of controlled substances and items. the FDA insures that what I choose to put in my body that is not a controlled substance (but, also sometimes is) is relatively safe to do so with. And, the BBB makes sure that places I would do business with meet health, and honesty in advertising and disclosure standards.

 

Granted most of the actions of such agencies are simply done with funding and not actual federal mandate, therein their actual powers are limited as is their effectivness. But even so...someone was put in charge (or took initiative to put themselves in charge) of over seeing safe and fair practice in many aspects of my life. And, if it were not for agencies like those coca-cola would still have high alchohol content and trace amounts of cocaine *shrugs*.

 

When I go to an MMO's website that allows me to make an account from this country (the USA) and my state...where is the ESRB rating, and the BBB A+ grading on their website? I see junk like various video game awards down at the bottom but those only inform me that it may be fun and says nothing about it's actual content and business practice. Everytime I spend money in an MMO it is a gamble. a Gamble I elect for but look at what happened to Aika online... Banished to a small corner of the internet and I didn't even recieve the supposed account transfer email...Where is my $400.00 that was supposed to garuntee my continued entertainment? Where is my refund for services not rendered? Poof in the aether that's where. You can't rely on the industry to regulate itself. Unchecked it will do whatever it wishes. And, do so with your money.

  Quizzical

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4/12/13 6:40:41 PM#63
Originally posted by Helleri

And, the BBB makes sure that places I would do business with meet health, and honesty in advertising and disclosure standards.

The Better Business Bureau is not a government agency.

  Helleri

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4/13/13 4:40:56 AM#64
I did not say that it was. And I even pointed out that many agencies that regulate things have no federal mandate and that some are self appointed to what they regulate.

  VengeSunsoar

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4/13/13 5:37:03 AM#65
And the FDA doesn't make sure that products are safe or that the advertising is true.  A product can be put out with all sorts of claims and be very unsafe, the FDA will only investigate if a complaint is put forward.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  waynejr2

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4/13/13 1:18:19 PM#66
Originally posted by Quizzical
Don't be too eager for bureaucrats to meddle in the details of games that they don't understand.  All costs of doing business are inevitably passed on to consumers one way or another.  Clear anti-fraud laws are one thing, but if a game developer could easily face crippling sanctions on a whim due to some bureaucrat's subjective notion of what is fair, a lot of cool games that would have otherwise been created won't be.

 /this.

Anti-fraud should be covered in anti-fraud laws.  We shouldn't need extra laws to cover it.

The FED for several years has had people curious over taxation and properties rights in games.  Lucky for us nothing has come of it. 

There is the video games cause violence crowd who have been slowly gaining traction.  If they repeat the same lies over and over again people eventually believe it. 

  Arakazi

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