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  SBFord

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OP  4/25/13 12:59:37 PM#1

It was recently revealed that many members of the Darkfall: Unholy Wars clan, HOGG, were banned from the forums for 'griefing' other players. In today's Devil's Advocate, we take a look at the kerfuffle surrounding HOGG and offer a few thoughts about it. Do you have thoughts to share? If so, head to the comments to continue the discussion.

Today I will not be using that diplomatic cap as I normally do. I'm not going to rage in the same way that I did when SWTOR put out its early draft of its revenue model shift, but I also will not try to play nice the way I did when I wanted to write about Mr. Appleton's game-in-development. Instead, I'm simply going to point out why, contrary to what some people think on Darkfall: Unholy Wars' forums, the temporary ban of some (possibly all, but I can't confirm this) members of HOGG for griefing other players was not only the most logical course of action for Aventurine, but also the most telling reminder that Darkfall: Unholy Wars is not the Darkfall of old, and that is something worth fighting for.

Read more of Victor Barreiro Jr.'s The Devil's Advocate: Darkfall’s Disgusting HOGGs.

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  asdar

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4/26/13 10:18:26 AM#2

I'm just disappointed it's a temporary Ban, it should be permanent.

I don't have a problem with being killed in Darkfall at all, not even getting killed over and over. That's PvP and all, but this is isn't a part of the game at all.

The worst part to me is that this gets publicity and gives Darkfall a bad name. If you've played the game you'll see that the in-game community is a great bunch of people. Ask a question in chat and the guy that just killed you and took all your stuff will usually give you tips or advice.

I have to turn off the chat because too many people are asking for and getting advice all the time. And that's not in guild chat, but global.

DFUW forum community is awful, but in-game it is great.

Asdar

  Slapshot1188

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4/26/13 10:22:18 AM#3
I think HOGG lasted 1 week in DF1. I wouldn't waste time by mentioning their name. They will be gone soon. Eventually you actually have to leave the safe zone...

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Anthur

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4/26/13 10:24:42 AM#4

Temporary bans are a joke and the HOGG members are probably laughing about it. The only signal I get from this a someone who might be interested in DFUW is too stay away from this game. If you really want to make a point against griefing perma ban is the only way to go. As DFUW is a p2p game with subscription this will hurt the griefers.

Anyway, I am glad there are games like DFUW, keeps those people out of other games.

  Quailman

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4/26/13 10:30:56 AM#5
Why give these losers the attention they crave? We should just ignore them so they can go back to being as insignificant as they deserve to be.

Consume. Be silent. Die.

  Pie_Rat

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4/26/13 10:32:16 AM#6
Originally posted by Anthur

Temporary bans are a joke and the HOGG members are probably laughing about it. The only signal I get from this a someone who might be interested in DFUW is too stay away from this game. If you really want to make a point against griefing perma ban is the only way to go. As DFUW is a p2p game with subscription this will hurt the griefers.

Anyway, I am glad there are games like DFUW, keeps those people out of other games.

Perma ban without a warning? That's too harsh, nobody does that unless the offense is major, which in this case it is not.

Yeah there's always gonna be assholes and frustrates in MMOs trying to grief other people for their sick fun but they are a vast minority and as far as harvesting LOS griefing, well that's easily avoidable...just go harvest somewhere else. If he follows you, lure him outside the safe zone and have buddies ambush him or something. If you don't have buddies, just log out for 5 minutes, I garantee he won't be waiting for you when you come back.

  eisenryu

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4/26/13 10:46:44 AM#7
Originally posted by Pie_Rat
Originally posted by Anthur

Temporary bans are a joke and the HOGG members are probably laughing about it. The only signal I get from this a someone who might be interested in DFUW is too stay away from this game. If you really want to make a point against griefing perma ban is the only way to go. As DFUW is a p2p game with subscription this will hurt the griefers.

Anyway, I am glad there are games like DFUW, keeps those people out of other games.

Perma ban without a warning? That's too harsh, nobody does that unless the offense is major, which in this case it is not.

Yeah there's always gonna be assholes and frustrates in MMOs trying to grief other people for their sick fun but they are a vast minority and as far as harvesting LOS griefing, well that's easily avoidable...just go harvest somewhere else. If he follows you, lure him outside the safe zone and have buddies ambush him or something. If you don't have buddies, just log out for 5 minutes, I garantee he won't be waiting for you when you come back.

Trolling people then posting copious videos on it on YouTube, making the community look like absolute shit and turning people away from the game is something that I would classify as a major offense to any developer/publisher. Permaban is the only way to go.

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  aslan132

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4/26/13 10:52:48 AM#8

I dont think perma ban is a terrible thing here. These griefers know they are doing something wrong. They set out to purposely disturb and harass other players. They dont need "warnings" because they already know they are doing something wrong. 

 

I love PVP. But this kind of griefing isnt PVP, they arent even leaving the safe zones. There should be no second chances when it comes to harassment. Let these guys get thier jollies somewhere else, eventually they will turn on each other, just like gankers do. 

  Pie_Rat

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4/26/13 10:57:53 AM#9
Originally posted by eisenryu
 

Trolling people then posting copious videos on it on YouTube, making the community look like absolute shit and turning people away from the game is something that I would classify as a major offense to any developer/publisher. Permaban is the only way to go.

Ok seen like that I guess it could be considered a major offense. I was being a little short sighted I guess. Besides, we all know what the first thing these idiots are gonna do when they eventually log in again....grief more.

I'm just generally into giving people a second chance. Maybe that's not the way to go here, I dunno.

  crysent

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4/26/13 11:00:49 AM#10
I tend to agree that a perma ban is appropriate from a business model stand point.  It was this type of gameplay that caused the DF1 community to be nothing more then 1000 or so dicks running around killing eachother (not enough for AV to make money).  If AV wants to make money (and I believe they do) then they need to address their totally dysfunctional community and ingame culture.  Sandbox games don't have set rules in either direction, griefing CAN be allowed by the company, or anti-griefing rules CAN be enforced.  I believe in even the most extreme sandboxes, there needs to be some control of the community and griefing policies.
 
  Pie_Rat

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4/26/13 11:12:29 AM#11

Ok I just watched the video. I don't think it's harming the game at all. It only highlights the stupidity of the narrator.

"The fear of loss is 10 times stronger than the fear of winning" WTF does that even mean? What a moron...

Yeah a perma ban is totally justified here. Besides the guy repeats like 50 times how terrible the game is so he won't be missing it.

  itchmon

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4/26/13 11:33:21 AM#12
Originally posted by Anthur

Temporary bans are a joke and the HOGG members are probably laughing about it. The only signal I get from this a someone who might be interested in DFUW is too stay away from this game. If you really want to make a point against griefing perma ban is the only way to go. As DFUW is a p2p game with subscription this will hurt the griefers.

Anyway, I am glad there are games like DFUW, keeps those people out of other games.

i assume AV will make their second offense permanent.

 

they actually look to be trying this time to foster a good community.

 

and i again offer an open invite to the players of HOGG to play eve, so we can take their stuff, make them have to buy plex to have the funds to keep playing, then blow up the stuff they spent plex on 

 

it might or might not teach them a lesson but either way it will be fun to sic the eve anti-grief squads on these guys :)

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  Wickedjelly

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4/26/13 11:34:50 AM#13
How can you even watch that whole video? Turned it off after a couple minutes. The narrator comes across like a total douche. Did he just learn the word gimp or something? In like two minutes he used it like a dozen times. Not that I play DF but frankly seems they would be better off without pricks like this playing anyways.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  ShakyMo

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4/26/13 11:40:05 AM#14
Surely the fact that they take this seriously and banned them is a good thing.

It point to the game being well ran.

I would be much more suspicious of a mm that didn't wild the banhamner and kept such things secret.
  MMO_Fan

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Posts: 167

4/26/13 11:41:53 AM#15
I was hoping Aventurine would fix the line of sight mechanic that allows this and not have to spend scarce resources paying GMs to police players.
  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

4/26/13 11:44:56 AM#16

This is why pvp sandbox is and will always be niche -

Dick hats and the completely sociopathic borderline psychotic treatment of their fellow players.

MMO success = community.

Grief/gank/harrass your community - community leaves.

Everyone just wants to play the game their way.

But if playing your way is at the expense of other's freedom to play their way, you're a douche cannon.

It's online bullying. No other way to define it.

And in the virtual world, to get away from it, all you have to do is log off.

 

 

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  Hayasa

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4/26/13 11:47:10 AM#17

5 minutes of individual grief while they wasted way more time finding ways to grief. Also they spent money in something they dislike just for the mention 5 minutes of grief.

On a side note, the 5 minutes are for the individual players, for them it's a huge waste of time since it's for a lot of characters. So they are spending time and money on something they dislike while they could be doing anything more productive and used the money in something they actually like. They could be shitting on top of their granny's head and still be more productive since they get to see the face of disgust on the person, not just assuming in their minds. Maybe that guy was just bore and waiting for friends and he was just playing along while they show up. You can't actually tell since you can't actually see the person behind the model.

I think the only ones being gimps and griefed by HOGG is HOGG itself.

  Wraithone

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4/26/13 12:25:05 PM#18
Originally posted by itchmon
Originally posted by Anthur

Temporary bans are a joke and the HOGG members are probably laughing about it. The only signal I get from this a someone who might be interested in DFUW is too stay away from this game. If you really want to make a point against griefing perma ban is the only way to go. As DFUW is a p2p game with subscription this will hurt the griefers.

Anyway, I am glad there are games like DFUW, keeps those people out of other games.

i assume AV will make their second offense permanent.

 

they actually look to be trying this time to foster a good community.

 

and i again offer an open invite to the players of HOGG to play eve, so we can take their stuff, make them have to buy plex to have the funds to keep playing, then blow up the stuff they spent plex on 

 

it might or might not teach them a lesson but either way it will be fun to sic the eve anti-grief squads on these guys :)

What makes you think that they aren't already playing EVE? Looking at it, it seems to be typical Goonie behavior, which we've all come to expect.

  parrotpholk

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4/26/13 12:25:28 PM#19
This guy is painful to listen to.  He is an idiot.  Please remove the video.  Not everyone who plays DF is this way.
  Ozmodan

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4/26/13 12:31:55 PM#20

When you use game rules in a way they were not intended to be used to interfere with other players who cannot retaliate and then post vidoes of what you are doing, it should be a very easy decision, perma ban them!

You have to wonder if the parents of these social misfits realize their kids have major personality issues.

Oh and while I detest goon players in Eve, even they would not stoop to this.

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