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  doodphace

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4/25/13 10:45:22 AM#41
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Phelcher

Q: Is anyone still playing Diablo 3..?

 

Honestly, is D3 even relevent anymore?

Coincidentally, GW2 came about a year ago (I bought 2 CE) & is anybody still playing that game..?  I cannot imagine either of those games enthralling anyone after the first couple of months. Neither have staying power, both are throw away games.

You simply do not see people going threw divorce court over Diablo3, or GuildWars2...  

just your opinion. i, for one, still play gw2. and given that i almost never am alone in any level zone, i'd say a vast number of other people have continued from launch as well.

And D3 is still #10 on xfire, after so many month. It is definitely much more relevant than games like PS2, Eve, and even PoE.

GW2 is still #5, right after WOW. So yeah .. those two games are much more relevent than almost all other MMOs, except may be WOW.

I like how your post tries despratly hard to imply that GW2 is close to WoW on xfire. Why even say "maybe" at the end of your post? It should say "except WoW", not "except maybe WoW" as if there is any shred of doubt. Even though GW2 is "right after", its numbers are laughably lower than WoW.

With that said, xfire is a terrible way to measure game popularity, but if you are going to quote it, I will call you out with it.

  Phelcher

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4/25/13 10:53:21 AM#42

 

Again...   who still playes GW2?

 

How is top selling game, that is now dropped to 5th within a years time.. succesful?  Understand, if YOU are still playing d3 or GW2, you are the minority, as most people have moved on to "other" games. That is why the game has fallen in the ranking in just a years time.

Understand, nobody cares that there are only a few thousand players huddles in the battlefronts..   a simple observation will conclude that nearly 90% of the people who PURCHASED the game, no longer play it.

 

 

 

 

So it is rather funny that "someone" wants to keep claiming success thru data, when in fact only after a year the game isn't on anybody's radar. So much so... that GW2 isn't growing in population.

 

In constrast, Everquest was still growing in it's 3rd year. WoW after it's 5th year was growing...  EVE after it's 5 year was still growing. So it is extremely laughable to have "people" claim it's success, then attempt to back it up with whatever statistica he can find...  when statistica takes analysis to understand. Seems like "certain people" can read numbers, but unable to understand their meaning.

 

 

Ask yourself... If you are still playing GuildWars2 right now... do you see yourself playing 1 year from now... everyday..?  (if not, then why you still building that same character today... it is pointless)

 

 

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  Karahandras

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4/25/13 10:58:11 AM#43
Personally haven't found anything to match anarchy online.
  doodphace

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4/25/13 11:07:02 AM#44
Originally posted by Phelcher

 

Again...   who still playes GW2?

 

How is top selling game, that is now dropped to 5th within a years time.. succesful?  Understand, if YOU are still playing d3 or GW2, you are the minority, as most people have moved on to "other" games. That is why the game has fallen in the ranking in just a years time.

Understand, nobody cares that there are only a few thousand players huddles in the battlefronts..   a simple observation will conclude that nearly 90% of the people who PURCHASED the game, no longer play it.

 

 

 

 

So it is rather funny that "someone" wants to keep claiming success thru data, when in fact only after a year the game isn't on anybody's radar. So much so... that GW2 isn't growing in population.

 

In constrast, Everquest was still growing in it's 3rd year. WoW after it's 5th year was growing...  EVE after it's 5 year was still growing. So it is extremely laughable to have "people" claim it's success, then attempt to back it up with whatever statistica he can find...  when statistica takes analysis to understand. Seems like "certain people" can read numbers, but unable to understand their meaning.

 

 

Ask yourself... If you are still playing GuildWars2 right now... do you see yourself playing 1 year from now... everyday..?  (if not, then why you still building that same character today... it is pointless)

 

 

I dont know about GW2, but Blizz confirmed a million uinique logins of D3 a day, and about 4 million unique a week....if that isnt "still played"...then i dont know wtf is.

  nariusseldon

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OP  4/25/13 11:07:11 AM#45
Originally posted by doodphace
 

I like how your post tries despratly hard to imply that GW2 is close to WoW on xfire.

I am not implying. I am saying. It is close. WOW = #4. GW2 = #5. Isn't that what close in ranking means?

  doodphace

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4/25/13 11:14:52 AM#46
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by doodphace
 

I like how your post tries despratly hard to imply that GW2 is close to WoW on xfire.

I am not implying. I am saying. It is close. WOW = #4. GW2 = #5. Isn't that what close in ranking means?

#7-Minecraft: 7065

#6-Dota 2: 7451

#5-GW2: 7594

#4-WoW: 21,300

No...they are not close....not close at all.....

Edit: Its also cute that everything of the post I initially quoted is gone in your reply. The post clearly stated that GW2 (And D3) are more relavant based off xfire numbers than all other MMO "except maybe WoW".....again...im pointing out that thats clearly a huge stretch....and quite frankly hlarious that you even say "maybe" when WoWs numbers are so much higher than GW2...they are literally nowhere near close, regardless of what rank they are.

  Mtibbs1989

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4/25/13 11:20:14 AM#47
Originally posted by nariusseldon

What drives combat fun (for me at least) is different build & combat styles in a game. Diablo 3 is great on that. For example, for the wiz, aside from the two most popular builds (CM & hybrid archon), there are perm-archon, meteor (quite popular), disintegration, healing blade/blizz-melee build, the old blizz-hydra kiting build, and so on (so i have already counted 7, without counting variations, and some of the less viable ones like arcane orb). And that is just ONE class.

I also know that PoE has many skills, and the system allows for many builds. I am not an expert in that game (yet) so i cannot name all the builds.

So the quesiton is what MMOs have the best skill/build system design to faciliate this kind of combat style diversity? I know about the old WOW system .. which is pretty inflexible. You essentially have 3 spec & 3 play-style per class. I suppose the total 3x10 is still pretty high but I have to level up all 10 to get the variety and cannot experiement and try many different build for one class. Is the new skill system better.

What modern MMOs have good variety of builds?

 

 

 Actually Path of Exile doesn't have that many skills. However, the customization with builds and skills is what makes the game mind boggling.

 It's quite easy to make 6-8 characters and use every skill the game has to offer for them. I believe I have every skill in the game on my hardcore characters before the release of their most recent addition to the skills list.


Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.

  Nadia

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4/25/13 11:20:47 AM#48
Originally posted by Phelcher
GW2 isn't growing in population.

In constrast, Everquest was still growing in it's 3rd year. WoW after it's 5th year was growing...  EVE after it's 5 year was still growing. So it is extremely laughable to have "people" claim it's success, then attempt to back it up with whatever statistica he can find..

according to what source?

GW2 has not been localized for China yet  -- it will grow in numbers when that happens

 

WOW almost doubled in subs when it released to China in summer 2005

  doodphace

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4/25/13 11:22:48 AM#49
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Phelcher
GW2 isn't growing in population.

In constrast, Everquest was still growing in it's 3rd year. WoW after it's 5th year was growing...  EVE after it's 5 year was still growing. So it is extremely laughable to have "people" claim it's success, then attempt to back it up with whatever statistica he can find..

according to what source?

GW2 has not been localized for China yet  -- it will grow in numbers when that happens

 

WOW almost doubled in subs when it released to China in summer 2005

And 2005 was 1 year into WoWs launch. I believe the poster you quoted (while wrong about most of his entire post), said WoW was still growing 5 years in, which, it was, with no new terratory launches.

  jesteralways

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4/25/13 11:24:47 AM#50
D3 is not an mmo, it is an online co-op game at best, i completed the game twice without opening public instance once and i am sure many hardcore people completed the game without public instancing for once. that being said i find the build system of Rift very nice and unique. you might wanna check it out.

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  Phelcher

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4/25/13 11:25:00 AM#51
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by doodphace
 

I like how your post tries despratly hard to imply that GW2 is close to WoW on xfire.

I am not implying. I am saying. It is close. WOW = #4. GW2 = #5. Isn't that what close in ranking means?

#7-Minecraft: 7065

#6-Dota 2: 7451

#5-GW2: 7594

#4-WoW: 21,300

No...they are not close....not close at all.....

 

 

 

Narius has to be technically right...  that is how he trollz people.

He takes data and skews it's meaning, just to make an outlandish statement, then points to the numbers to back his skewed claim. Essentially he is in the business of misinformation.. 

 

So don't argue his data, argue how he made such a leap, given such data. You'll find Narius is unable to base anything, except on his personalal likes.

 

Fact is, GW2 had great sales and was a great game, but being only a B2P means it has zero future.  That glaring fact exists in nearly any non-subscription based game, because such games are based on an in-game community. Not a revolving one.

So simply dismiss Narius posts, as he has ten thousand of them and are just eMarketing babble.

 

 

 

"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."


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  korent1991

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4/25/13 11:29:14 AM#52

you have to be joking! 

D3 to have a good build choices? It's dumbed down from D2 so if you ask me, it's a step backwards...

PoE on the other hand is awesome and it offers almost limitless customization... Torchlight isn't that bad but it's nothing special as well...

From MMORPGS I know Archeage will have the option of customizing your own class which all together makes 150 possible combinations for classes...

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  Nadia

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4/25/13 11:36:06 AM#53
Originally posted by doodphace

And 2005 was 1 year into WoWs launch. I believe the poster you quoted (while wrong about most of his entire post), said WoW was still growing 5 years in, which, it was, with no new terratory launches.

I dont have the complete list

but WOW was localized to new territories during its first 5 years -- Russia was 2008

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=11633

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  4/25/13 11:38:07 AM#54
Originally posted by jesteralways
D3 is not an mmo, it is an online co-op game at best, i completed the game twice without opening public instance once and i am sure many hardcore people completed the game without public instancing for once. that being said i find the build system of Rift very nice and unique. you might wanna check it out.

hmm .. i never said d3 is a MMO (nor PoE). What does that have to do with build variety?

It is just like i can ask what MMO has stories as good as Bioshock Infinite (and of course, in this case, the answer may very well be none).

  Phelcher

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4/25/13 11:39:25 AM#55
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Phelcher
GW2 isn't growing in population.

In constrast, Everquest was still growing in it's 3rd year. WoW after it's 5th year was growing...  EVE after it's 5 year was still growing. So it is extremely laughable to have "people" claim it's success, then attempt to back it up with whatever statistica he can find..

according to what source?

GW2 has not been localized for China yet  -- it will grow in numbers when that happens

 

WOW almost doubled in subs when it released to China in summer 2005

 

NA only.. 

Secondly, people in China don't play on NA servers, so what does the decline of our NA servers, have to do with china...? Those servers will be barren 1.5 years from now too..     

People realize, that there is no point in investing One's time into a character, if the world in which that character lives has a shelf life of just 6mo ~ 1.5years. 

 

I kept playing Everquest, because i was small compared to it.. 

 

 

"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."


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  Nadia

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4/25/13 11:41:14 AM#56
Originally posted by Phelcher

what does the decline of our NA servers, have to do with china...? T

i havent seen you give any sources for your claims of decline

  davc123

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4/25/13 11:46:38 AM#57
POE have da best build :D i fucking love
  nariusseldon

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OP  4/25/13 11:48:44 AM#58
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

 Actually Path of Exile doesn't have that many skills. However, the customization with builds and skills is what makes the game mind boggling.

 It's quite easy to make 6-8 characters and use every skill the game has to offer for them. I believe I have every skill in the game on my hardcore characters before the release of their most recent addition to the skills list.

Sigh . that is what i am afraid of. I am too low level in PoE to see all the skill yet. I like build variety that does something different, instead of just having a slightly different number.

For example, in D3 i alternate between two variations of a build (depending on my mood & where i farm). If i choose storm armor (shock aspect), i have much higher DPS, by the ability of having lightning strike mobs from time to time, in place of energy armor, which increase defense substantially.

So this is not like point a point in a DPS stat, as opposed to a point in defense state, and actually have different mechanics.

I was hoping PoE allows me to do some of that by swapping skill gems.

So how many skill gems are their? And at end game, what is a reasonable of slots that you will have?

 

 

 

 

  Phelcher

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4/25/13 11:55:20 AM#59
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Phelcher

what does the decline of our NA servers, have to do with china...? T

i havent seen you give any sources for your claims of decline

 

 

Do you play..? 

 

Go log in...  & then ask such a bizarre question.

 

 

"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."


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  Phelcher

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4/25/13 11:58:14 AM#60
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

 Actually Path of Exile doesn't have that many skills. However, the customization with builds and skills is what makes the game mind boggling.

 It's quite easy to make 6-8 characters and use every skill the game has to offer for them. I believe I have every skill in the game on my hardcore characters before the release of their most recent addition to the skills list.

Sigh . that is what i am afraid of. I am too low level in PoE to see all the skill yet. I like build variety that does something different, instead of just having a slightly different number.

For example, in D3 i alternate between two variations of a build (depending on my mood & where i farm). If i choose storm armor (shock aspect), i have much higher DPS, by the ability of having lightning strike mobs from time to time, in place of energy armor, which increase defense substantially.

So this is not like point a point in a DPS stat, as opposed to a point in defense state, and actually have different mechanics.

I was hoping PoE allows me to do some of that by swapping skill gems.

So how many skill gems are their? And at end game, what is a reasonable of slots that you will have?

 

 

 

 

 

 

U do all of that^^

In a free game..  that isn't even an MMORPG...   and you're telling us that in detail because why..?? 

 

 

Lonely..?

"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."


-Nariusseldon

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