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  DAS1337

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4/25/13 10:47:45 AM#21

So?

 

When Everquest 2 came out, did you not have to buy it?  I don't understand the point of this thread.  Ah yes, nevermind.  It's you generation NOW kiddies that have to have everything for free, and right now.  I got my discount because I played DF1.  The game only cost me $15.  They didn't even have to do that.

 

 

  DAS1337

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4/25/13 10:49:57 AM#22
Originally posted by Ichmen

isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt?

i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?

Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 10:54:22 AM#23

My generation? 

 

     When you enter into a contract for a service the customer expects to recieve the service!

I purchased Darkfall already, the developers could not make the content changes to the game world that they wanted with a patch or expansion so THEY SHUT DOWN the service I payed for....

 

Additionally AV stated on many occasions that the new game would be FREE to RETURNING PLAYERS....

 

So they took away the service they promised to provide with no refund. They then released a similiar service and did not give me access, as they intended to DOUBLE CHARGE me for the same service... IE the Darkfall game world!!!

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  lizardbones

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4/25/13 10:54:41 AM#24


Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.



Why would anyone assume that they could get into this game for free even if it was just an expansion? WoW expansions aren't free for existing WoW players. EQ2 wasn't free for EQ players. Bioshock Infinite wasn't free for Bioshock players.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if it were free, but why would anyone expect it to be free?

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  Jayaris

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Hi

4/25/13 10:55:17 AM#25

Some people want everything for free. Pretty much every article leading up to Darkfall:Unholy Wars original release date talked about pre-orders and the discount you could get.

I owned the original Darkfall, couldn't find my account info. I bought the game at full price, couldn't care less.

Go fight for a cause that actually matters, you're wasting time on the internet.

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  PAL-18

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4/25/13 11:01:42 AM#26
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.


Why would anyone assume that they could get into this game for free even if it was just an expansion? WoW expansions aren't free for existing WoW players. EQ2 wasn't free for EQ players. Bioshock Infinite wasn't free for Bioshock players.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if it were free, but why would anyone expect it to be free?

 

PRetty sure that people can play WoW without expansion this and that still.

And this is far worse,if you made 70 level palading in WoW for example  and buy next expansion,they would delete your character ? does that even make sense,AV did exactly this.

 

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  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 11:03:40 AM#27
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.


Why would anyone assume that they could get into this game for free even if it was just an expansion? WoW expansions aren't free for existing WoW players. EQ2 wasn't free for EQ players. Bioshock Infinite wasn't free for Bioshock players.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if it were free, but why would anyone expect it to be free?

 

 

 

WoW expansions are volunary the entire game does not shut down and people still have access to the service they purchased without buying the expansion!

I know nothing about EQ as it was a theampark game I hated.... 

Most MMO's do not force there customer base to re-buy the game  With EQ did the Original EQ game server shut down?  and the only way to play EQ was to buy the new game???  if thats the case then you were wronged!!!!

Normally MMO's that do what AV has done provide there old customers free access to the new game world IE you dont have to buy the entire game again but you do have to pay the Subscription.... 

Its Ethically the right thing to do, otherwise your charging a person for the same service twice and the first time the loss of sevice was of no fault to the customer!!!

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  Caldrin

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4/25/13 11:04:19 AM#28
Originally posted by jfoytek

Everyone keeps bringing up this Discount!

 

Which mind you the only people that new about said discount were the people involved in the beta process.....

 Not true AV spammed peoples accounts for months with this offer, and it was also one of the msot asked questions about DF:UW on their forums and here.

For those of us who didnt want to be involved with the Beta Fiasco and who waited for the release of the game we get the shaft?  Sure it was common knowledge for the 5 months of beta in which a target group (The Beta Players knew about the offer)

 Again this was not just offered to people on the forums or who beta tested but was E-Mailed out to anyone that had some ponit registered a darkfall acconut.. hell even one of my old email accounts that never had an active darkfall account got the emails.

But all of that is MOOT

 

As Darkfall is Darkfall the map is the same its the same Overall game world we purchased originally and were promised!  Would be FREE....  When the new game released!!!

Game world is actually different, yes its a similar shape but a lot has changed..

They promised that the exp pack DF2010/arena would be free.. but they stopped making that and instead decided to be a totally new game.

 

At the end of the day this offer was well known for a very long time.. and not just on the darkfall forums.

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  DAS1337

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4/25/13 11:05:44 AM#29
Originally posted by jfoytek

My generation? 

 

     When you enter into a contract for a service the customer expects to recieve the service!

I purchased Darkfall already, the developers could not make the content changes to the game world that they wanted with a patch or expansion so THEY SHUT DOWN the service I payed for....

 

Additionally AV stated on many occasions that the new game would be FREE to RETURNING PLAYERS....

 

So they took away the service they promised to provide with no refund. They then released a similiar service and did not give me access, as they intended to DOUBLE CHARGE me for the same service... IE the Darkfall game world!!!

Many games shut down their servers.  It's pretty common.  They obviously don't have the resources to run two games at the same time.  Instead of whining, play the new game.  If you don't want to, don't.  They have the right to do whatever they want with their game.  They didn't promise to provide it, they just said they may keep those servers open.  May and promise are very different in meaning.

  KatlaOdindottir

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4/25/13 11:08:00 AM#30
I bought gta 1 and 2, why didn't I get the third one free? LOL

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  DAS1337

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4/25/13 11:08:11 AM#31
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.


Why would anyone assume that they could get into this game for free even if it was just an expansion? WoW expansions aren't free for existing WoW players. EQ2 wasn't free for EQ players. Bioshock Infinite wasn't free for Bioshock players.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if it were free, but why would anyone expect it to be free?

 

PRetty sure that people can play WoW without expansion this and that still.

And this is far worse,if you made 70 level palading in WoW for example  and buy next expansion,they would delete your character ? does that even make sense,AV did exactly this.

 

DF:DW is not an expansion.  It is a new game.  It may look like the old game, but it is not.  WoW expansions are content updates to an already existing game.  

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 11:08:18 AM#32
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by jfoytek

Everyone keeps bringing up this Discount!

 

Which mind you the only people that new about said discount were the people involved in the beta process.....

 Not true AV spammed peoples accounts for months with this offer, and it was also one of the msot asked questions about DF:UW on their forums and here.

For those of us who didnt want to be involved with the Beta Fiasco and who waited for the release of the game we get the shaft?  Sure it was common knowledge for the 5 months of beta in which a target group (The Beta Players knew about the offer)

 Again this was not just offered to people on the forums or who beta tested but was E-Mailed out to anyone that had some ponit registered a darkfall acconut.. hell even one of my old email accounts that never had an active darkfall account got the emails.

But all of that is MOOT

 

As Darkfall is Darkfall the map is the same its the same Overall game world we purchased originally and were promised!  Would be FREE....  When the new game released!!!

Game world is actually different, yes its a similar shape but a lot has changed..

They promised that the exp pack DF2010/arena would be free.. but they stopped making that and instead decided to be a totally new game.

 

At the end of the day this offer was well known for a very long time.. and not just on the darkfall forums.

Well this offer never once reached my email!!!

You think thats all people do is surf the web to find out if Dark fall is going to have a special offer! 

Whenever I surfed the web in regards to Darkfall it was to learn the release has been pushed back another month and another month and another month.... never did I see any special offers!

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  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 11:10:56 AM#33
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.


Why would anyone assume that they could get into this game for free even if it was just an expansion? WoW expansions aren't free for existing WoW players. EQ2 wasn't free for EQ players. Bioshock Infinite wasn't free for Bioshock players.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if it were free, but why would anyone expect it to be free?

 

PRetty sure that people can play WoW without expansion this and that still.

And this is far worse,if you made 70 level palading in WoW for example  and buy next expansion,they would delete your character ? does that even make sense,AV did exactly this.

 

DF:DW is not an expansion.  It is a new game.  It may look like the old game, but it is not.  WoW expansions are content updates to an already existing game.  

It is an expansion they took the old world offline too do a total rework because they couldnt do it in an expansion none the less DARKFALL IS DARKFALL its the same damn game has the same damn name!!!  And they are scewing over there old players!

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  PAL-18

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4/25/13 11:13:33 AM#34
Originally posted by KatlaOdindottir
I bought gta 1 and 2, why didn't I get the third one free? LOL

they uninstalled your gta 1 and 2 ?

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  DAS1337

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4/25/13 11:14:17 AM#35

So, has AV allowed you to play their game for free yet?  Is the pissing and moaning working?  No?  Sorry bro.  

 

You can learn just about everything from a game (good and bad) by coming to these forums.  Information about the beta, pre-orders, discounts and everything about the game itself.  You can't have everything for free, it's just as simple as that.  I paid $15 for my game.  I then purchased a copy for a friend for the full $30 because he hadn't played the original.  No one else here is complaining over buying it.  Most MMO's are between $50-$60.  Darkfall was half of that without the discount.  All I'm seeing is a bunch of whining.

 

Pay, play, or don't.  No one is forcing you.  Though, I can tell you one thing, you definitely are annoying the people here.  That's for sure.

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4/25/13 11:14:58 AM#36
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by KatlaOdindottir
I bought gta 1 and 2, why didn't I get the third one free? LOL

they uninstalled your gta 1 and 2 ?

You didn't need online servers to play GTA 1 and 2.

 

They shut the servers down.  Get over it.  It happens all the time to MMO's.

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4/25/13 11:15:51 AM#37
Originally posted by jfoytek
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Ichmen isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt? i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?
Not really.  The entire world was rebuilt.  All of the cities.  All of the characters.  The entire UI.  Entire portions of the game removed and added.  The combat system is different.  Crafting is different.  This wasn't just a content patch.  I've never seen a content patch change the game this dramatically in the 18 years that I've been playing video games online.


Why would anyone assume that they could get into this game for free even if it was just an expansion? WoW expansions aren't free for existing WoW players. EQ2 wasn't free for EQ players. Bioshock Infinite wasn't free for Bioshock players.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if it were free, but why would anyone expect it to be free?

 

PRetty sure that people can play WoW without expansion this and that still.

And this is far worse,if you made 70 level palading in WoW for example  and buy next expansion,they would delete your character ? does that even make sense,AV did exactly this.

 

DF:DW is not an expansion.  It is a new game.  It may look like the old game, but it is not.  WoW expansions are content updates to an already existing game.  

It is an expansion they took the old world offline too do a total rework because they couldnt do it in an expansion none the less DARKFALL IS DARKFALL its the same damn game has the same damn name!!!  And they are scewing over there old players!

So because EQ 2 has the same name as EQ1, it should be free to those players too?  We can do this forever, and forever you'd be wrong.

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4/25/13 11:22:18 AM#38
Originally posted by Necroneus

Simply comparison:

Buy game - Buy car

Pay suscription - Pay fuel

When a new version of a car appears, if you want it you will buy it. What kind of problem do you have with a game that cost less? Why don't you go to show your hate against car's companies?

 That has to be the worst analogy ever.....Your comparing something that costs thousands of dollars to soemthing that often in this industry is free or very cheap.....Aventurine is alot like SOE....They are trying to make money every single opportunity they can....This may be right or wrong, but it is what it is.

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4/25/13 11:31:20 AM#39
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by KatlaOdindottir
I bought gta 1 and 2, why didn't I get the third one free? LOL

they uninstalled your gta 1 and 2 ?

You didn't need online servers to play GTA 1 and 2.

 

They shut the servers down.  Get over it.  It happens all the time to MMO's.

could you please tell us which games did this,closed their game and then tried to sell that again if it happens all the time to MMO´s and somehow people are getting over it ?

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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4/25/13 11:35:24 AM#40
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Jayaris
A discount was offered and advertised for a long time. Your bad, in my opinion.

 

You think that its customers fault because they did not pre-order product which is still in alpha stage when its launched?

 

They offered and advertised this product long time ago ,and you dont see the problem ?

 

 

Then what're you crying about? If you do not want to play the game it comes off as you're crying for the sake of crying.

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