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General Discussion  » By the end of the KS, CSE will allow you to play CU.

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  BowbowDAoC

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4/23/13 7:19:46 PM#21
From what i know about Mark, we'd already be at 3 million that they would keep working hard to show us what they can do.

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  Taldier

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4/23/13 8:21:27 PM#22
The tech demo will prove that the team is capable of creating the structure of an MMO with a networked system allowing users around the globe to run around in the same 3D world and interact with each other.  But of course anyone at all familiar with the resumes of the team involved shouldnt really need a demonstration of that.

Thats the easy part, which is why all the demands for seeing an alpha build have been so absurd from the start.  The thing that actually differentiates MMO's from each other are the ideas behind them.  The principles that the developers follow and the experience they are trying to create.  Different creators have different goals and different ideas of what players think is "fun".

You buy other games and you get the list of exciting sounding features and the screenshots and prerendered videos of amazing graphics, but the marketing team for those games never actually tells you what type of gameplay feel the creators had in mind until youre 3 hours into playing it.  By the time you realize its too casual, or perhaps too hardcore, or just too simplistic, youve already paid the full retail price and wasted your time.

What you should actually care about are the opinions of those people making your game about what their game should be like, because that is what is going to shape the decisions they make while they create your gaming experience.  And that is exactly what CSE has given us.  That is why its been so important that MJ and his team have focused mostly on stating straight out what their goals and ideas for this game are.

I could certainly understand if this was being made by some random schmuck in his parent's basement.  But these are experienced industy professionals with numerous projects behind them.  Whether they can create the basic structure of an MMORPG shouldnt even have to be in question, and honestly it seems kind of insulting that anonymous people on forums want to claim it is.
  mysticalspam

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4/23/13 8:27:01 PM#23
Maybe EA could fund the rest of the KS... lol :P

  belatucadros

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4/23/13 8:52:14 PM#24
That's why you have three realms ;)

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  MikeJezZ

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4/24/13 2:33:57 AM#25

CSE should have made stretch goals so people got their attention.

 

I would love to see this project being launched, but I fear it won't with 8 days left.

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  Laeesh

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4/24/13 2:37:47 AM#26

I think this thread´s name is "false advertising" =/ I highly recommend to consider a more comprehensive new name.

 

*Edit* "Think of this as "Open Internal Access" for a few days." I would change this as well =/. Title of the thread and this quote make me feel like you want to attract new people, what´s really great, but i think this titel and quote are way to far away from fact.

Maybe you name your thread "you will be allowed to play the CU tech demo" or something like that and for the "open internal" thing at the end maybe "open internal tech demo light" I just want to give you that as an advice, but people are likly to feel fooled.

Not meant as an offense! =)

  fantasyfreak112

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4/24/13 2:41:55 AM#27
In reality WAR didn't look bad and the animations were pretty solid so I seriously doubt Mark Jacobs will allow CU to look bad either. The problem is the likelihood of it playing poorly.
  Sornin

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4/24/13 2:43:17 AM#28
Originally posted by MikeJezZ

CSE should have made stretch goals so people got their attention.

 

I would love to see this project being launched, but I fear it won't with 8 days left.

I really do not think stretch goals would help and cannot even understand the reasoning behind how they could.

Basically, you would need to convince me that people not backing the game with a $2M target would suddenly back it if a stretch goal placed at say, $2.5M, appealed to them. Or, at the very least, existing backers would pledge more. Why? If they do not like the base game enough to pledge so that it gets made at all, why would a stretch goal not essential to the core game prompt them to do so?

I do not think that is how stretch goals work at all. I think what stretch goals do is convince people to keep pledging once a project reachers or nears its goal. Think of it as a way to prevent people from saying, "Well, it is funded, so now I do not have to back it and can wait until it is done." This does not work when the game is over $600,000 away. This is why I still think there was no point in MJ mentioning any stretch goals when we barely crossed $1M. Focus on stuff relevant to getting the pledges to $2M, not something that would be great to add if the game exceeds its target. If anything, I think it alienates people more, as evidenced by people on this very forum saying, "The Depths should be in the base game, now I am not pledging at all."

 

  MKS2007

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4/24/13 3:40:12 AM#29
Originally posted by Arakazi
I'm strugling to find what the excitement is. As far as I can see, the game is narrow on scope, isn't really offering anything that unique, inovative to justify it's place high up in the hype rank. And to be honest, I can't see a quality MMO game being made with that tiny budget. I know of a tech demos that had cost more than 100k to put toghether. 

So a game dedicated to RVR pvp with the featrues that its going to have with all the crafting and other things is not unique or inovative at all? I guess ill go play all the other games that do this... oh wait i cant because there are no games dedicated to RVR with the castle/house building and other things this has.

 

How is 5 million a tiny budget? Sure compared to SWTOR it is but i have no idea how bioware/ea managed to waste so much money on that game. There is no reason for MMORPGs to cost 10s of 100s of millions of $ to make.. infact you could actually make one for $0 if you had people willing to work for free.. of coruse when ready for release you would need to spend a bit on server costs and stuff..

 

100k for a tech demo sounds very excessive..

 

I have no idea why people think that MMOs have to cost so much to make. AAA companeis might throw millions and millions at them but we seen how good they turn out.

  Arakazi

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4/24/13 4:18:49 AM#30
Originally posted by MKS2007
Originally posted by Arakazi
I'm strugling to find what the excitement is. As far as I can see, the game is narrow on scope, isn't really offering anything that unique, inovative to justify it's place high up in the hype rank. And to be honest, I can't see a quality MMO game being made with that tiny budget. I know of a tech demos that had cost more than 100k to put toghether. 

So a game dedicated to RVR pvp with the featrues that its going to have with all the crafting and other things is not unique or inovative at all? I guess ill go play all the other games that do this... oh wait i cant because there are no games dedicated to RVR with the castle/house building and other things this has.

 

How is 5 million a tiny budget? Sure compared to SWTOR it is but i have no idea how bioware/ea managed to waste so much money on that game. There is no reason for MMORPGs to cost 10s of 100s of millions of $ to make.. infact you could actually make one for $0 if you had people willing to work for free.. of coruse when ready for release you would need to spend a bit on server costs and stuff..

 

100k for a tech demo sounds very excessive..

 

I have no idea why people think that MMOs have to cost so much to make. AAA companeis might throw millions and millions at them but we seen how good they turn out.

It's not unique or inovative. They are just combining things that are already out there. Focusing purely on RvR also limits the games scope and audience.

$5 million is nothing for an MMO. After paying for his small staff, his office & equipment, servers, advertising and bandwith I would be surprised if there isn't a debt piling up.

  Purutzil

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4/24/13 4:22:45 AM#31

Well.. is it bad that I feel MORE skeptical about it hearing the news about a working demo being ready by the end of KS then I was before? I mean, I suspected it would be done (even if its no where near the glory people expect) but this feels... rather forced and iffy to me.  

 

Not saying its a scam or anything mind you, just... it makes me more unsure of it all.

  Laeesh

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4/24/13 4:26:08 AM#32
this threads name really need´s adjustment!

  Aeodo

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4/24/13 5:18:52 AM#33
Originally posted by Wakygreek
I have seen newbie college projects that look better then that >_<


In one month? Creating their own engine? They were very talented for sure.

  Betaguy

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4/24/13 5:23:12 AM#34
I just canceled my 500 dollar pledge.  I think this is a showboat tatic and I totally disagree with this move.  For them to throw together a demo of something to try to entice more pledges is just puny imo.  Goodluck Andrew and MJ with your vaporware.

  Betaguy

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4/24/13 5:29:50 AM#35
Well at least Collision is in 4:15 for all the PvP's and backers that stick around. If the game makes light of day that is.

  Laeesh

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4/24/13 5:30:06 AM#36
Originally posted by BizkitNL

This is pretty funny.

Play CU after the Kickstarter? Is that what you call WASD'ing a placeholder puppet in an area as big as your bedroom?

"I played CU today, man!".

Sigh.

you see =( plz adjust the name this is missleading! @BizkitNL i won´t use your word´s but you are right. It´s a demo (not even alpha) nothing like the final product.

  Mortify

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4/24/13 5:34:26 AM#37
Originally posted by MKS2007

infact you could actually make one for $0 if you had people willing to work for free.. of coruse when ready for release you would need to spend a bit on server costs and stuff..

Really? How hard did you think before writing that?

Are the computers those people work on free? Is the electricity that powers the computers the people work on free? How about the heat? How about the rent of the office? Or are they all working from home? And if they're all working for free from home, how will they pay for their own bills?

You are right though about the 5M bit, MJ knows what he's doing budget wise, and not much $ will be wasted.

I hope the KS funds and the Backer forums open, because it's all getting a bit crazy on this forum.

I know it's hard people, but please think before posting stuff...

 

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  Laeesh

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4/24/13 5:36:41 AM#38
I hope the KS funds and the Backer forums open, because it's all getting a bit crazy on this forum.

I know it's hard people, but please think before posting stuff...

 

man that´s so true. =/

*Edit* on BOTH side´s! Supporter´s and Non-Backer´s

  Aeodo

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4/24/13 5:37:17 AM#39
Originally posted by Betaguy
I just canceled my 500 dollar pledge.  I think this is a showboat tatic and I totally disagree with this move.  For them to throw together a demo of something to try to entice more pledges is just puny imo.  Goodluck Andrew and MJ with your vaporware.

These guys are working 15 hours a day to prove this is not a vaporware and the first thing you are seeing is a vaporware. Good job.

  Mortify

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4/24/13 5:41:26 AM#40
Originally posted by Betaguy
I just canceled my 500 dollar pledge.  I think this is a showboat tatic and I totally disagree with this move.  For them to throw together a demo of something to try to entice more pledges is just puny imo.  Goodluck Andrew and MJ with your vaporware.

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