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  Ziftylrhavic

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4/23/13 4:52:26 PM#101
Originally posted by Shadanwolf

I believe looking at the past can often forshadow the future.

Jacobs has destroyed  the last two games he touched.Guess what I see in his future ?

 

 

 

.........................................................    and you wonder why he's looking for funding ?

Although i agree TOA was MJ's fault, WAR needed more time and work on it but EA pushed the release. Also, TOA was fixed afterward, and i think we can be pretty sure he won't pull another one.

 

You can foreshadow the future with the past, but don't forget to include the experience it provided in the process. You generally don't need to put your hand into the fire twice to understand that it burns.

 

We don't wonder why he's looking for funding, we know it's because he was forced to sell Mythic and he didn't have enough control over WAR to avoid the failure it was.

  Kyleran

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4/23/13 4:55:00 PM#102
Originally posted by Ziftylrhavic
Originally posted by calranthe
I love pvp but it is too easy to burn out on pure pvp really wish this game had a little pve content.

There will be PvE, just check out the update of The Depth. You just won't gain anything from it and so it won't be necessary.

I read they were thinking about other ways to take a break from RvR too around the start of KS.

 

Think about what you just wrote, see if makes any sense , if there is no benefit to the PVE why would anyone bother doing it ?

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  Ziftylrhavic

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4/23/13 4:58:31 PM#103
Originally posted by Wakygreek
Originally posted by Ziftylrhavic
Originally posted by Wakygreek
Originally posted by Tierless

This is from a guy on the Kickstarter. "It's amazing how people can spend 10-15 bucks going to the movies.
A movie that they have no idea what it's about, or very limited knowledge (plot lines etc.). And the movie will last about 2 hours.
But pledging 25 bucks to a game that has all this information they flat out refuse."

The difference being obvious, a movie you get what you paid for up front. While the Kick Starter you have to hope that what they promised ends up in the final product. So in the end on one hand your paying for a finished product and on the other you throwing money into what some can only call blind faith.

There are people spending 50 cent each week to have a piece of paper to scratch for such small chance to win a lot of money that you can't even put it in number, you have to write a fraction.

 

Over 2 years, it means more than $50, and the chances to get what you want are close to 0. All of a sudden throwing $25 to that KS doesn't seem as crazy.

Valid point, your still comparing apples to oranges though. On on hand the outcome although not guaranteed you still know your going to win or lose cash. On the other hand your assuming that what someone tells you will be fact even though there is no way they can guarantee the final product. You may get a different game then what you wanted when you donated originally. Cash will always be cash regardless if you win or not. A game will not always be the same depending on the course of its production and cost.

 

That's true. But one of the fact he told us that made me think i'll like the game, is that they intend to be very communicative with their backers, so they'll get to influence the choices that'll be made.

 

So the game may indeed be very different than what i thought when i backed, but there are great chances it'll be in a good way.

  Ziftylrhavic

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4/23/13 5:05:56 PM#104
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Ziftylrhavic
Originally posted by calranthe
I love pvp but it is too easy to burn out on pure pvp really wish this game had a little pve content.

There will be PvE, just check out the update of The Depth. You just won't gain anything from it and so it won't be necessary.

I read they were thinking about other ways to take a break from RvR too around the start of KS.

 

Think about what you just wrote, see if makes any sense , if there is no benefit to the PVE why would anyone bother doing it ?

Then why ask for it in a game where the main point is to not need to go do some PvE to be good at RvR?

 

Either you didn't understand the concept of the game, or you just want to do some PvE in order to relax. If it's because of the first, then you should read (again?) the foundational principle, if it's the later then know you'll be able to do it. Although it may not be in a safe zone, with the map being as big as they seem to want it, you should be able to PvE near the safe zone without too much risk.

 

EDIT :

It may be a bother for us, but the majority of the players like it, that's why there haven't been many pure PvP games, and one of the reasons why this game is a niche.

  eyelolled

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4/23/13 5:29:11 PM#105

This is a niche title, and it's fanbase is very loyal. If they make it more and more standardized, it loses appeal to the loyal fanbase that is backing it. So that fanbase has to step up to the plate and pay whatever is needed to get this title going. That is the only choice other than give up and go home. 

There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it.

There isn't some elusive millionaire who just needs to be prompted enough to throw in some cash. 

This is the chance that these people have been asking for, so they better "put up or shut up" so to speak.

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  redcapp

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4/23/13 7:53:46 PM#106
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Ziftylrhavic
Originally posted by calranthe
I love pvp but it is too easy to burn out on pure pvp really wish this game had a little pve content.

There will be PvE, just check out the update of The Depth. You just won't gain anything from it and so it won't be necessary.

I read they were thinking about other ways to take a break from RvR too around the start of KS.

 

Think about what you just wrote, see if makes any sense , if there is no benefit to the PVE why would anyone bother doing it ?

That poster is mistaken anyway.  There will be a benefit to the PvE that will be in game, just not in the traditional sense of leveling up and getting gear.  For example, venturing further into the Depths will grant you access to materials and forges.  All items will be player made, so your standard MMO model of raiding and farming loot is irrelevant. 

  DavisFlight

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4/23/13 8:08:22 PM#107
Originally posted by eyelolled

 

There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..

Yes, there are.

  Tokken

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4/23/13 8:13:08 PM#108


Originally posted by LateBrake1
I play most MMO's and even played DAOC back in the day and really enjoyed it, however I am not backing this project. It seems to me when your going so niche by being PvP only and with a limited class selection it's just not appealing compared to what else is out there.

Perhaps it's somewhat because I  (and my friends) are burned out on GW2 world vrs world. The thought of just WvW (or  RvR as they call it) 24/7 would be mind numbing.

Had they said 18 classes, 3 realms, PvE zones to fight over, raids, maybe even the ability for user created content, it would have a better chance. Yes I understand they keeping their ambitions small and focused (class wise and gameplay wise) but what's the point if you cant make the game anyway? Why not go big? I enjoy PvP but man everyone needs some variety.

I think it's going to take a game that is very well rounded to rise to the top of the MMO world in the future. It would have all those things and more, maybe not done amazingly well at the beginning but at least the prospect of it.

I will say GL to MJ though but again, not throwing a bone to the PvE people or including anything new and revolutionary gameplay wise is a decision I would not have made.

 



Well stated. This is exactly how I feel about it. Good to know others feel this way as well.

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  DavisFlight

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4/23/13 8:20:16 PM#109
Originally posted by Tokken

 


Originally posted by LateBrake1
I play most MMO's and even played DAOC back in the day and really enjoyed it, however I am not backing this project. It seems to me when your going so niche by being PvP only and with a limited class selection it's just not appealing compared to what else is out there.

 

Perhaps it's somewhat because I  (and my friends) are burned out on GW2 world vrs world. The thought of just WvW (or  RvR as they call it) 24/7 would be mind numbing.

Had they said 18 classes, 3 realms, PvE zones to fight over, raids, maybe even the ability for user created content, it would have a better chance. Yes I understand they keeping their ambitions small and focused (class wise and gameplay wise) but what's the point if you cant make the game anyway? Why not go big? I enjoy PvP but man everyone needs some variety.

I think it's going to take a game that is very well rounded to rise to the top of the MMO world in the future. It would have all those things and more, maybe not done amazingly well at the beginning but at least the prospect of it.

I will say GL to MJ though but again, not throwing a bone to the PvE people or including anything new and revolutionary gameplay wise is a decision I would not have made.

 



Well stated. This is exactly how I feel about it. Good to know others feel this way as well.

 

Except that what he said is very out of tune with the project itself. Why not go big? This game is going big. It's RvR and housing/crafting seem more ambitious than any MMORPG to date. And this game does have PvE and non RvR zones to fight over. Just another example of someone who wrote off the Kickstarter without discovering what was actually in the game.

  eyelolled

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4/23/13 8:21:32 PM#110
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by eyelolled

 

There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..

Yes, there are.

ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.

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  DavisFlight

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4/23/13 8:22:50 PM#111
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by eyelolled

 

There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..

Yes, there are.

ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.

There are millions of people who don't read these forums.

  eyelolled

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4/23/13 8:25:54 PM#112
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by eyelolled

 

There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..

Yes, there are.

ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.

There are millions of people who don't read these forums.

I'm quite sure there are billions of people that don't read these forums, but who's counting.

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  baphamet

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4/23/13 8:50:02 PM#113


Originally posted by grogstorm
It is like any addiction, once taken, you want more.  And it never ends.  The current course of MMO’s is leading down the path of handing the player everything on a silver platter.  And if you follow this to its end there will be a game you can buy and install hit play and it does it all for you.  You just sit back and chat with your friends as the computer plays for you.

Thankfully I saw the light and am trying to get off this train.

The bright lights and happy music coming from the circus (current Themepark MMO’s) is just to alluring for some people.  And they are happy following the other lemmings off the cliff.

Let’s just hope enough people realize the current failings of the “just play and we will give you the world” track is doomed to fail and the industry can be saved.


so when you say themepark games are doomed to fail, you mean doomed to be games you don't like?

how do you determine a game has succeeded? it certainly wont be judged by sub numbers because CU wont compare to many themeparks in that regard.

yet that is usually how people judge the success of mmo's, by how many subs they have and their longevity in holding them.

i see CU as a niche game with 1 or 200k subs, maybe more if they pull it off well.

so i beg to ask, how will CU be considered more successful or not "doomed to failure" compared to themeparks that will have even more subs?

that said, i do hope this game gets made and people are happy with it.

heck, i will give it a try myself (not going to "back" it though)

i just don't think it will be a huge success in today's mmo standards and anyone thinking it will is in denial.

good luck though, i truly mean that.

  baphamet

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4/23/13 8:54:16 PM#114


Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled   There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..
Yes, there are.
ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.
There are millions of people who don't read these forums.

thank god.

i know if i was an mmo player that just stumbled across this website and read the forums, i would never come back. lol

  Danwarr

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4/23/13 9:26:55 PM#115
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled   There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..
Yes, there are.
ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.
There are millions of people who don't read these forums.

 

thank god.

i know if i was an mmo player that just stumbled across this website and read the forums, i would never come back. lol

I think I actively avoid telling people about this website and especially the forums. You really need to like forum PvP to be here.

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  DavisFlight

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4/23/13 11:14:57 PM#116
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by grogstorm
It is like any addiction, once taken, you want more.  And it never ends.  The current course of MMO’s is leading down the path of handing the player everything on a silver platter.  And if you follow this to its end there will be a game you can buy and install hit play and it does it all for you.  You just sit back and chat with your friends as the computer plays for you.

 

Thankfully I saw the light and am trying to get off this train.

The bright lights and happy music coming from the circus (current Themepark MMO’s) is just to alluring for some people.  And they are happy following the other lemmings off the cliff.

Let’s just hope enough people realize the current failings of the “just play and we will give you the world” track is doomed to fail and the industry can be saved.


 

so when you say themepark games are doomed to fail, you mean doomed to be games you don't like?

Nah, they're statistically doomed to fail. Devs cannot produce enough content to keep people playing. That style of design collapses in on itself. See: Age of Conan, LotRO, SWTOR, TSW, STO, people play a bit then leave when they run out of content. Most themeparks have started off huge then all but disappeared. Most lose partners and developers and servers before they finally stabalize. Funcom lost two partners and almost had to file for bankrupcy over AoC. SWTOR killed Bioware AND Mythic. LotRO, despite having the most popular IP in the world limps along in obscurity.
  redcapp

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Joined: 5/13/11
Posts: 733

4/23/13 11:21:21 PM#117
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled   There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..
Yes, there are.
ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.
There are millions of people who don't read these forums.

 

thank god.

i know if i was an mmo player that just stumbled across this website and read the forums, i would never come back. lol

Ironically, I think you've discovered the one thing this community could probably agree upon.  lol

  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2111

joie de vivre

4/23/13 11:24:18 PM#118


Originally posted by redcapp

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by eyelolled   There isn't a hoard of people that don't know about it..
Yes, there are.
ok, if you say so. You'd better get rallying the troops then, because if thats the case they don't read these forums.
There are millions of people who don't read these forums.
  thank god. i know if i was an mmo player that just stumbled across this website and read the forums, i would never come back. lol
Ironically, I think you've discovered the one thing this community could probably agree upon.  lol

That were a bunch of MMO refugees that generally hate AAA MMOs?

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

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