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  GreenHell

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4/23/13 2:43:21 PM#21
Reputation means nothing in this industry. Look at EA. Voted worst company in America 2 years in a row and still making billions. People will say things like "I'll never buy a game from them again" and yet millions and millions are still sold. People don't really care who makes a game as long as they enjoy it. 
  Rocketeer

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4/23/13 2:44:18 PM#22
Originally posted by JeroKane

Sorry but MJ's reputation was already killed with Warhammer Online.

And according to many DAoC vets it already started with one of the later expacs for DAoC.

Blaming the driver when the car breaks down is the cool thing to do these days i guess. But no, not all of us blame MJ for Warhammer, and yes i was disappointed with it aswell(mid/endgame/polish specifically). Its just that some of us have a job in the real world and know how the higher uppers can screw things up.

If someone has a superior, its his fault until proven otherwise in my book. And MJ was still a employee, bound to enforce even stupid ideas like releasing early and cutting a faction out. If you believe either was his idea your obviously not familiar with warhammers development.

  dantheman13

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4/23/13 2:46:43 PM#23
Originally posted by JeroKane

Sorry but MJ's reputation was already killed with Warhammer Online.

And according to many DAoC vets it already started with one of the later expacs for DAoC.

I really don't agree with any of this "bad reputation" stuff.  I think a lot of it had to do with him being in the spotlight a lot on Warhammer, which was indeed a flop at release.  However, I went back after a year or so and the game ended up being one of the funnest games I've ever played.  Yes the Trials of Atlantis expansion for DAoC was pretty bad; it was reactionary to WoW.  However, New Frontiers completely made up for it.  If you didn't play NF 8v8, you missed out!  

So, MJ created 2 of the three best MMO's I have ever played, the first was no accident and the second had a rocky start, but he managed to make it into a fun game despite a couple of poor decisions on his part and EA's.  Also take into conideration that the devs on this team are hardcore PvP gamers (unlike the devs for GW2. Their forum posts and horrible WvW play make it clear they are detatched from the fanbase).  These guys are hardcore LoL, DAoC, and GW2 players themselves.  Mark has stated that playing the game will be required for every emloyee of his team.  These guys know PvP.

 

  Vendac

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4/23/13 2:49:49 PM#24

Originally posted by JeroKane

Sorry but MJ's reputation was already killed with Warhammer Online.

Actually Jeff Hickman ran WAR.  Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Velocinox

You're confusing hype and reputation.

Hype is what got him to 1.3, reputation is what is keeping him from 2

What rep?  You all talk like your close personal buddies.  Alot of what keeps it from getting to 2 is people spreading FUD.

Originally posted by Saxonblade
His reputation in my eyes is not to good to begin with. I don't get all the hype around this clown, please tell me an MMO he was part of that had positive growth after 1 year. He ruined DAOC with ToA, I know I was playing at the time and WAR was a train wreck never saw a game lose subs that fast ever, although SWTOR was pretty close. 

TOA was supposed to be hard.  You either did TOA and were competitive in RvR or you went QQ and left the game.  That being said, it wasnt the right kind of Xpac for DAOC.  It was too EQish for a game that was centered around RvR.  It did however bring the rest of the community that stuck it out in a little closer because it took 200 people working together to get something done.

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  fantasyfreak112

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4/23/13 2:54:07 PM#25
He already has a poor reputation among non bias, non fanboy gamers. Maybe if he made some attempt to fix WAR and save some face I would give CU the time of day but he's basically just creating another project to abandon when things go south post launch.
  meddyck

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4/23/13 2:54:45 PM#26

TOA release date 10/28/03

WOW release date 11/23/04

In no way was TOA a response to WOW. It was an attempt to pick off EQ subscribers.

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  Vendac

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4/23/13 2:59:15 PM#27
Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
He already has a poor reputation among non bias, non fanboy gamers. Maybe if he made some attempt to fix WAR and save some face I would give CU the time of day but he's basically just creating another project to abandon when things go south post launch.

You ever stop to think why all of Mythics original staff bailed starting in 2006 and then then after WAR was release?

Ill give you a clue, their name has 2 vowels in it....

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  Myria

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4/23/13 3:02:04 PM#28
Originally posted by QSatu
Gamers are very easy to manipulate. Use words like: niche, oldschool, focus on community etc. and they will do anything for you =]

Pretty much this.

"Mumble, mumble... PvP! Mumble, mumble... Sandbox! Mumble, mumble... Three faction! Mumble, mumble... No damn dirty PvE! Mumble, mumble... Uphill both ways in three feet of snow! Mumble, mumble..."

  Saxonblade

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4/23/13 3:05:21 PM#29
Originally posted by naezgul

Why do people find it hard to understand the changes in DAoC were done to curtail the exodus of players attracted by WoW?

MJ had to answer to many people at that time regarding revenues. WAR on the other hand was looking to bring back those players with a more or less WoW mirror........

I see CU as more of a project of love for him, I'm sure he wants it to generate income for himself, but if that was the bottom line he wouldn't be taking the small player base approach

Really, ToA came out before WoW, the guy is a joke but a good con man.

  Arclan

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4/23/13 3:08:19 PM#30

Won't affect his reputation. But it might make it hard for him to start another Kickstarter since this one looks to be failing (unless he and his investors pour some money in at the last minute).

Good luck. I missed the first go in DAOC (couldn't leave EQ), and I'd love some PvP with that medieval feel.

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  redcapp

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4/23/13 3:09:42 PM#31

I don't think failure to fund would do much.

 

It would definitely harm his rep if it did fund and the project still failed / did not live up to expectations.

 

Edit:  And yeah, I agree with others that the failure of this KS will impede his ability to launch another one with similar goals any time soon.

  Tierless

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4/23/13 3:10:59 PM#32

Wait, I thought the goal was 1 mill, thats why he announced the Depths as a 2 mill bonus stretch right? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to get this CU logo tattoo removed...

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  tiglie

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4/23/13 3:25:51 PM#33

 

Originally posted by naezgul

Why do people find it hard to understand the changes in DAoC were done to curtail the exodus of players attracted by WoW?

MJ had to answer to many people at that time regarding revenues. WAR on the other hand was looking to bring back those players with a more or less WoW mirror........

I see CU as more of a project of love for him, I'm sure he wants it to generate income for himself, but if that was the bottom line he wouldn't be taking the small player base approach

 

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  Odaman

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4/23/13 4:27:43 PM#34
It won't hurt his rep at all if it doesn't fund. I don't think the kickstarter has failed yet though. I do think someone needs to tell the euros what a prepaid visa card is so all this paypal nonsense isn't an issue.
  meddyck

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4/23/13 4:31:17 PM#35
Originally posted by Tierless

Wait, I thought the goal was 1 mill, thats why he announced the Depths as a 2 mill bonus stretch right? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to get this CU logo tattoo removed...

You have to get that CU logo tattoo removed, dude.

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OP  4/23/13 7:38:14 PM#36
Originally posted by meddyck
Originally posted by Tierless

Wait, I thought the goal was 1 mill, thats why he announced the Depths as a 2 mill bonus stretch right? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to get this CU logo tattoo removed...

You have to get that CU logo tattoo removed, dude.

LMAO na keep it dude. Its will still be better then a Horde or a Ally WoW tattoo.

  Tierless

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4/23/13 8:22:35 PM#37


Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by meddyck

Originally posted by Tierless Wait, I thought the goal was 1 mill, thats why he announced the Depths as a 2 mill bonus stretch right? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to get this CU logo tattoo removed...
You have to get that CU logo tattoo removed, dude.
LMAO na keep it dude. Its will still be better then a Horde or a Ally WoW tattoo.

Maybe they can edit it to say Untomemychains and I'll claim it's a religion tat.

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  Purutzil

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4/23/13 8:38:26 PM#38

Hmm well its still got enough time to garnish more cash.

 

Still, I honestly feel that he has more of a risk at tarnishing his reputation for actually finishing the game and releasing it over it not fully funding. The game (no matter how good it is) won't live up to its expectations for the crowd, and theres some who will support it who just won't like the final product as is and will be disapointed.

 

Failing the funding I don't think will do that much harm, finishing it will likely harm him a lot more. 

  tlear

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4/23/13 9:42:54 PM#39
Considering the absurd amount of money he made his investors in the past? lol no
  Acidon

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4/23/13 9:55:24 PM#40
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Rednecksith
A lot can happen in a week...

Oh I agree and I am hoping trust me. It just seems that ones rep could be at stake if it did not happen. I mean look at Curt Shilling for example he belived in 38 studios until it busted him now I am willing to bet that with his rep shot he prob wont get any kind of backing now for a MMO game even if he wanted.

 

I'm not for this game myself, but your posts make me think you may not know what a reputation is.  Personally, I can't see how Mark's rep would be damaged because the KS didn't fully fund.   That is already an impressive amount of people putting their money where their mouth is regarding what they want in a game.

I'm not *for* CU, but I have nothing against it.  And I do hope it funds.  I know a lot of you are excited about it.

 

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