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General Discussion  » Why I loved DAOC but am not funding this

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  ShakyMo

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4/22/13 12:32:48 PM#61
Fantasyfreak

Marc Jacobs wasn't in charge of warhammer. Jeff hickman was.
  umie214

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4/22/13 12:34:07 PM#62
im not funding this because so far it's been nothing but hot air and the dude already destroyed one game. to the OP, me and my buddies have around 700-800 hours in WvW already and we're having a blast. youre probably doing something wrong like humping your zerg, instead of gaining better skills and developing a feared reputation for your guild. 
  umie214

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4/22/13 12:35:25 PM#63
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Fantasyfreak

Marc Jacobs wasn't in charge of warhammer. Jeff hickman was.

Jacobs admitted that he was in charge but didnt take enough control of the project. 

  ShakyMo

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4/22/13 12:38:39 PM#64
Umie

What reputation for your guild?

You kill someone in WvW, all they see in their log is random nameless dude x from that server we happen to be paired with this week.
  DAS1337

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4/22/13 12:46:13 PM#65
Originally posted by Sornin

Your post is all over the place in terms of logic and reasoning. You first state you understand it is going for a niche audience, then later state it needs to appeal to more people and "go big" and discusses a "rise to the top of the MMO world." So do you understand it is niche or not? I am beginning to think not.

"Niche" means it is not for most people, and clearly you are one of those; that is fine - you are one of the lucky ones who enjoys the current MMORPG offerings and what is on the horizon, it would seem. I am not so lucky.

Also, as for nothing revolutionary, I would say there at least two systems in place that can fairly be called "revolutionary." The first is the UI, which is going to be built on HTML and JavaScript so it can be composed of the Web and the Web can be composed of it. That is cool. Secondly, and more importantly, the building system is going to be done in the vein of Minecraft. What MMORPG has attempted something like that? Completely new to the genre.

The Depths is also pretty revolutionary, too, come to think of it. And the resources system as well.

In short, it is a niche game, most will prefer playing something more mainstream, but it does have lots of revolutionary features.

When did you start playing MMO's?  

 

I ask this because both of the 'revolutionary' aspects that you describe have been done in other MMO's.  Do some research next time.  

 

The OP's post was consistant throughout.  Only your brain is all over the place.

 

It's a PvP game.  It's going to be liked by a VERY small audience.  The fact that it has nothing more than PvP and crafting is going to do the same thing that all other themeparks do.  It will be popular for a few months and then fizzle out due to lack of substance.

 

I never root for a game to fail though.  So hopefully it will get an audience, as small as it may be, and bring hours of happiness to people.  

  DAS1337

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4/22/13 12:48:11 PM#66
Originally posted by umie214
im not funding this because so far it's been nothing but hot air and the dude already destroyed one game. to the OP, me and my buddies have around 700-800 hours in WvW already and we're having a blast. youre probably doing something wrong like humping your zerg, instead of gaining better skills and developing a feared reputation for your guild. 

Some people, believe it or not, get tired of the same mindless actions repeated for days, months, and even years.  While I loved some DAoC RvR, it was the depth of the world, PvE and social aspects of some of my favorite games that actually kept me coming back.  PvP is just a cheap trick to me.

  Axxar

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"See how I reward those who fail me!"

4/22/13 1:25:30 PM#67
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Any daoc 2 whether under ea or not would likely be a lame wow clone.

Sad but true.

"Tiny clown, he got wet. I was talking to a psychic and I can't sleep in the ozone. There are too many different peanuts, looking sad.

  Cinc

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4/22/13 1:32:12 PM#68
If i want to relax and just pve a little I'll play dragon age or mass effect which offer far better pve than any mmo. Every game doesn't have to cater to every play style. Folks complaining about no pve would be like me complaining about a lack of fighting in tetris. They've stated no pve in this game. If that doesn't appeal to you fine, move along. Clearly this game is not for you. I don't understand the complaining from people this game is obviously not meant for. It's one thing to have a disagreement about classes, mechanics, races, etc. But when your arguing against a clearly stated core design idea it seems rather pointless and just hating.
  cronius77

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4/22/13 1:44:06 PM#69
Originally posted by Cinc
If i want to relax and just pve a little I'll play dragon age or mass effect which offer far better pve than any mmo. Every game doesn't have to cater to every play style. Folks complaining about no pve would be like me complaining about a lack of fighting in tetris. They've stated no pve in this game. If that doesn't appeal to you fine, move along. Clearly this game is not for you. I don't understand the complaining from people this game is obviously not meant for. It's one thing to have a disagreement about classes, mechanics, races, etc. But when your arguing against a clearly stated core design idea it seems rather pointless and just hating.

thats the issue though here , people say they are not going to pledge because they do not have pve yet about 90% of the population of backers have something slick to say to people who do not like the idea and do not want to fund it. Im also one of those people that has money but am not going to pledge money to a game that I know I wont be playing past the first month. I enjoy pve , raiding , and general realm vs realm . So I get one of the 3 and people expect you here to jump for joy , thats just not going to happen. Then you also have the people here that like to guilt trip you into pledging your hard earned money  because this is "your way to stick it to the big time publishers like EA and activision" . Either way you spend your money on a game you wont be playing for a long period of time and you still lose your money pledging it to a project that just doenst interest you and will not benefit you in any long term. Obviously there is a lot more people not interested anyways because its 9 days to go and 60% of its goal complete only. This game wont fund for 2 million , it would have if he would of actually attempted to make a DAOC 2 and not half asses 60% of what made DAOC fun for all not just the pvp hardcore crowd.

  Sabas

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This is the sound of me

4/22/13 1:50:24 PM#70

Hang on a second?!

 

This game most surely has PvE its just that you don't advance your character by it.

So am I understanding that some of you only accept PvE as a feature  when it advances your character?

Isn't that some other way of saying the game is stupid because you'll be bad at it?

Or because it will be too hard?

 

  GreenHell

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4/22/13 1:51:17 PM#71
Originally posted by DAS1337

Some people, believe it or not, get tired of the same mindless actions repeated for days, months, and even years.  While I loved some DAoC RvR, it was the depth of the world, PvE and social aspects of some of my favorite games that actually kept me coming back.  PvP is just a cheap trick to me.

I completely understand this perspective and it's one of the reasons I did not back CU. That being said however, I do think there is a place in the market for this game. I really do hope it gets funded. Once again to me its all about options and having another MMO that does something a little bit different isn't a bad thing. Its just not something I'm asking for.

  Cinc

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4/22/13 1:55:34 PM#72
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by Cinc
If i want to relax and just pve a little I'll play dragon age or mass effect which offer far better pve than any mmo. Every game doesn't have to cater to every play style. Folks complaining about no pve would be like me complaining about a lack of fighting in tetris. They've stated no pve in this game. If that doesn't appeal to you fine, move along. Clearly this game is not for you. I don't understand the complaining from people this game is obviously not meant for. It's one thing to have a disagreement about classes, mechanics, races, etc. But when your arguing against a clearly stated core design idea it seems rather pointless and just hating.

thats the issue though here , people say they are not going to pledge because they do not have pve yet about 90% of the population of backers have something slick to say to people who do not like the idea and do not want to fund it. Im also one of those people that has money but am not going to pledge money to a game that I know I wont be playing past the first month. I enjoy pve , raiding , and general realm vs realm . So I get one of the 3 and people expect you here to jump for joy , thats just not going to happen. Then you also have the people here that like to guilt trip you into pledging your hard earned money  because this is "your way to stick it to the big time publishers like EA and activision" . Either way you spend your money on a game you wont be playing for a long period of time and you still lose your money pledging it to a project that just doenst interest you and will not benefit you in any long term. Obviously there is a lot more people not interested anyways because its 9 days to go and 60% of its goal complete only. This game wont fund for 2 million , it would have if he would of actually attempted to make a DAOC 2 and not half asses 60% of what made DAOC fun for all not just the pvp hardcore crowd.

 

I get you're not going to help get this game off the ground. So why are you even here discussing a game you have no interest in? They are not making DAOC 2, Mark has stated that numerous times, why complain about something you know is not going to happen?
  Tierless

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4/22/13 2:01:57 PM#73

This is from a guy on the Kickstarter. "It's amazing how people can spend 10-15 bucks going to the movies.
A movie that they have no idea what it's about, or very limited knowledge (plot lines etc.). And the movie will last about 2 hours.
But pledging 25 bucks to a game that has all this information they flat out refuse."

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  grogstorm

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If it ain't broke, dont fix it!

4/22/13 2:37:56 PM#74

It is like any addiction, once taken, you want more.  And it never ends.  The current course of MMO’s is leading down the path of handing the player everything on a silver platter.  And if you follow this to its end there will be a game you can buy and install hit play and it does it all for you.  You just sit back and chat with your friends as the computer plays for you.

Thankfully I saw the light and am trying to get off this train.

The bright lights and happy music coming from the circus (current Themepark MMO’s) is just to alluring for some people.  And they are happy following the other lemmings off the cliff.

Let’s just hope enough people realize the current failings of the “just play and we will give you the world” track is doomed to fail and the industry can be saved.

Grog

  augustgrace

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4/22/13 3:57:40 PM#75
Originally posted by Tierless

This is from a guy on the Kickstarter. "It's amazing how people can spend 10-15 bucks going to the movies.
A movie that they have no idea what it's about, or very limited knowledge (plot lines etc.). And the movie will last about 2 hours.
But pledging 25 bucks to a game that has all this information they flat out refuse."

That movie will have multiple trailers, reviews, interviews and is guaranteed to exist as a consumable product.  CU on the other hand is a vague concept from someone with a checkered past, who is reluctant to put his own money on the line and that even if funded may end up vaporware.   Pretty HUGE difference.

  dantheman13

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4/22/13 5:46:41 PM#76
Originally posted by grogstorm

It is like any addiction, once taken, you want more.  And it never ends.  The current course of MMO’s is leading down the path of handing the player everything on a silver platter.  And if you follow this to its end there will be a game you can buy and install hit play and it does it all for you.  You just sit back and chat with your friends as the computer plays for you.

Thankfully I saw the light and am trying to get off this train.

The bright lights and happy music coming from the circus (current Themepark MMO’s) is just to alluring for some people.  And they are happy following the other lemmings off the cliff.

Let’s just hope enough people realize the current failings of the “just play and we will give you the world” track is doomed to fail and the industry can be saved.

Well said.  I am self aware of my own addiction enough to weigh whether my time is being spent actually having a good time or not.  For me, after playing years of WoW and other MMO's leveling and gearing up my toons, I've come to realize that this grind is completely boring and pointless.  PvP on the other hand still excites me.  I suppose it allows me to express my competitive side.  The rush I got from DAoC I also got in Warhammer and GW2, and I consider those games the best PvP (WvW/RvR style PvP) games ever.  Of course, every game gets old.  GW2, although I love most aspects of the combat system itself, has a piss poor progression system and devs who do not understand small group PvP.  Warhammer's gear grind was fun for a bit, but soon got old due to the constant zerg style of RvR.  DAoC, even though it is my favorite game of all time, just feels like a step up from Pacman these days.

For me supporting CU is a no brainer.  It is about time that a group of developers who actually play and study PvP games (CU's devs are hardcore LoL, GW2, and DAoC players), make a PvP game for PvP'ers.   

 

  dantheman13

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4/22/13 5:51:50 PM#77
Originally posted by augustgrace
Originally posted by Tierless

This is from a guy on the Kickstarter. "It's amazing how people can spend 10-15 bucks going to the movies.
A movie that they have no idea what it's about, or very limited knowledge (plot lines etc.). And the movie will last about 2 hours.
But pledging 25 bucks to a game that has all this information they flat out refuse."

That movie will have multiple trailers, reviews, interviews and is guaranteed to exist as a consumable product.  CU on the other hand is a vague concept from someone with a checkered past, who is reluctant to put his own money on the line and that even if funded may end up vaporware.   Pretty HUGE difference.

Yes, there is some blind faith that has to go into this Kickstarter. However, MJ is not reluctant to put in his own money.  He will be matching the Kickstarter funds with his personal cash if it funds.  If the kickstarter doesn't funds, to the developer that means that there isn't enough interest in the game and therefore not financially a sound idea.  

  Ginaz

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4/22/13 8:22:40 PM#78
Originally posted by Caldrin

The game is not for everyone he has said that himself... it is a niche PVP game.. if your not into that kind of thing then fair enough..

 

There are enough new things thngs this game is bringing to the table and the fact that its main focus is PVP i am happy to back it, but i want that type of game i am bored of all the AAA themepark clones they bore the hell out of me..

 

Now there is a kickstarter sticky thread that this should have been added to and im sure i mod will close this off.

Why would they close this thread?  Its a perfectly legit, non-troll topic.  I don't understand some fans wanting to cut off all negative discussions regarding a game they like.  I'm seeing more and more of this from CU fans.

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  Danwarr

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Joined: 10/18/09
Posts: 190

"Prepare for Titanfall."

4/22/13 8:27:29 PM#79
Originally posted by augustgrace
Originally posted by Tierless

This is from a guy on the Kickstarter. "It's amazing how people can spend 10-15 bucks going to the movies.
A movie that they have no idea what it's about, or very limited knowledge (plot lines etc.). And the movie will last about 2 hours.
But pledging 25 bucks to a game that has all this information they flat out refuse."

That movie will have multiple trailers, reviews, interviews and is guaranteed to exist as a consumable product.  CU on the other hand is a vague concept from someone with a checkered past, who is reluctant to put his own money on the line and that even if funded may end up vaporware.   Pretty HUGE difference.

I'm sure plenty of people have had movie experiences they would like to have back.

I'm looking at you Transformers.

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  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2114

joie de vivre

4/22/13 9:48:10 PM#80


Originally posted by Danwarr

Originally posted by augustgrace

Originally posted by Tierless This is from a guy on the Kickstarter. "It's amazing how people can spend 10-15 bucks going to the movies. A movie that they have no idea what it's about, or very limited knowledge (plot lines etc.). And the movie will last about 2 hours. But pledging 25 bucks to a game that has all this information they flat out refuse."
That movie will have multiple trailers, reviews, interviews and is guaranteed to exist as a consumable product.  CU on the other hand is a vague concept from someone with a checkered past, who is reluctant to put his own money on the line and that even if funded may end up vaporware.   Pretty HUGE difference.
I'm sure plenty of people have had movie experiences they would like to have back.

I'm looking at you Transformers.


Michael Bay is the nightmare that keeps my childhood awake in bed at night.

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