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  SBFord

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OP  4/17/13 6:59:25 AM#1

PvP is gaining momentum in "mainstream" society as more and more gamers take part. In a new column at MMORPG, we take a look at possible ways to get some broadcast channel coverage of our favorite eSports. Check it out before heading to the comments to share your ideas.

There’s nothing quite like sitting smack dab in the middle of a live event. During BlizzCon in 2010 and 2011, I sat in the midst of thousands of roaring fans watching the Starcraft and Warcraft tournaments. I remember feeling as though the convention center itself might shake from our clapping and cheering. The crowds were relentless! People kept shouting, moving in and out of their seats, popping in and out of my periphery. I could see the projection screens and flashing cameras, and heard the tangle of high and low voices. The fans were cumbersome. Between the gasping, the sudden boos and cheers, and the ardent clapping, it felt equally as epic as the SuperBowl or any UFC match. But when comparing mainstream televised sports with e-sports, I couldn’t help but be bothered by how many people are still unfamiliar with these incredible events—the events of pro-gaming.

Read more Genese Davis: Shining a Beacon on PvP.

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  Battlerock

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4/18/13 12:56:18 PM#2
When your passionate about something, you want it to be in every aspect of your life. While your idea sounds nice, at the end of the day, why should pro gamers be recognized with the likes of the famous? Why should gaming be televised? And really to get people on board, how does it better mankind? I have to say compared to sports, gaming is not improving the quality of life. Sports on the other hand motivate people to exercise. Exercise has clear benefits. Yes I know exercise your mind..... but in the big picture exercising your mind in a fantasy world though there are many parallels to the real world is actually slowing the progress you could be making with real mental exercise.
  Dauzqul

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4/18/13 12:56:43 PM#3

Arena PvP, "e-Sport PvP", and "Instanced PvP" is everything that is wrong with PvP in my opinion.

Ultimately, if rewards were removed from Battlegrounds, Arenas, and Warzones, nobody would play them. Why? Because the concept of playing the same small instance over and over again is ******* boring.

I want to get lost in my MMORPG. I want to live out my avatar for a short while. Structured PvP is just too artificial. There is no element of surprise and it's just not fun (redundant).

Deep World PvP is the future and I want to see more of that - World PvP done right.

 
  odienman

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4/18/13 1:02:28 PM#4
Having had a foot in this realm and being in the season 1-2of the firs Professional Gaming League for Quake 2, it really would be interesting to see PvP accepted more widely watched, however I feel we are a long ways off, although able to make progress in that direction. Much like the UFC which almost failed and took a good 10+ years to really start breaking into the spotlight, I think Pro-Gaming will take longer.  I think a big issue with making it attractive is a still prominent underlying cultural stereo-type/phobia of video games.  They aren't taken seriously and a lot of people see them at most as leasurely or a waste of time.  There's also the element of not having a consistent game that people can get used to and understand, and or play and compete with others in a orginized fashion at say school (football, basketball, baseball).  I question if you can expect an audience to continually follow the new game that comes out every 1-3 years.  Gotta work, post more later.
  Dauzqul

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4/18/13 1:06:11 PM#5

I've done the "e-sport" thing via FPS. I made a lot of money and won a lot of prizes. In fact, I used some of my winnings to purchase my wife (girlfriend at the time) a nice diamond engagement ring.

"e-sports" work for FPS. While virtual gaming is a joke to being with, FPS does offer entertainment due to watching the twitch, reflex, and accuracy of a live player. In my day (quit in 2008), hordes of people would just sit behind me during my 1v1's via Unreal Tournament.

Where is the excitement in WoW's e-sports? "Oh! Look how fast he can click tab!". I know that it requires a lot of team coordination, but it's just not exciting to watch.

MMO ESPORTS is DUMB.

  Dauzqul

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4/18/13 1:08:22 PM#6
Originally posted by odienman
Having had a foot in this realm and being in the season 1-2of the firs Professional Gaming League for Quake 2, it really would be interesting to see PvP accepted more widely watched, however I feel we are a long ways off, although able to make progress in that direction. Much like the UFC which almost failed and took a good 10+ years to really start breaking into the spotlight, I think Pro-Gaming will take longer.  I think a big issue with making it attractive is a still prominent underlying cultural stereo-type/phobia of video games.  They aren't taken seriously and a lot of people see them at most as leasurely or a waste of time.  There's also the element of not having a consistent game that people can get used to and understand, and or play and compete with others in a orginized fashion at say school (football, basketball, baseball).  I question if you can expect an audience to continually follow the new game that comes out every 1-3 years.  Gotta work, post more later.
 

If there is any pro gaming, it will take off via console.

What name did you go by via Quake II? Do you play Quake Live? If so, let me know. We can play some :)

 
  ShakyMo

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4/18/13 1:09:41 PM#7
Esports and mmo are incompatible.

Mmo pvp should embrace its mmoishness e.g. eve, daoc.
  adam_nox

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4/18/13 1:10:52 PM#8

"PvP is gaining momentum in "mainstream" society as more and more gamers take part."

 

Alright, I'm going to stop you right there.  PvP has always been mainstream, and what has separated mmo's from mainstream gaming was, at least for a time, a level of sophistication and maturity.  It's mmo's that have become more mainstream, and players who don't care about the finer points of mmo enjoyment have come in with their expectation to compete in e-peen waving contests in instanced maps, capturing flags and teabagging each other.  Yes, mmos have had a long history of conflict.  To call both such conflicts and e-sports PvP is to call an apple an orange.

  VancePants

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4/18/13 1:14:20 PM#9

Your enthusiasm is nice, but it's unrealistic to expect e-sports to compete with the spectacles of football or UFC.

 

1 - you wouldn't go to a venue to watch e-sports live. I mean, you might, but you might as well watch it on your computer, streamed over the internet, in the privacy of your own room - because there's nothing exciting about watching a live person click a mouse punch keys and stare at a screen. You want the game view and the gamer's perspective - so just watch it on your own screen.

 

2 - I agree with KingofHartz: watching someone who has dedicated their life to winning a virtual game seems less inspirational then someone who's dedicated their life to some kind of physical achievement or competition. Take someone like Michael Phelps wth superior strength and power in swimming, his intense training and daily regiment of diet and exercise, and the amazing record breaking feats he's accomplished. It's awe-inspiring! 99% of people think "I could never do that." On the other hand, you have fatty McCheetos over here, with the best Counter Strike ranking in the world and a $2,000 mouse, and record-breaking twitch reflexes, honed from hardcore CS gaming over the past 15 years. Seems less impressive, but that's just my opinion - and probably the stereotype you're try to fight tbh.

 

3 - As for those garbage reality shows like The Ultimate Fighter and American Idol - they only exist to create more drama and hype for the real spectacle - the competition itself. They're cheap to produce, heavily staged, and work to polarize the audience. Furthermore, they almost always further the worst of stereotyps through editing! Ask yourself, is a reality show about Pro Gamers going to change society's opinion on the world of e-sports? If anything, I would expect it to be detrimental.

 

Professional gaming is doing fine, and increasing in popularity as younger generations trend toward online streaming services and international competitions gather more contestants.

 

I see a natural progression in the next 20-30 years and who knows, maybe Time Warner will offer their own e-sports channel someday, with commercials peddaling marijuana brands (just like beer and football). As far as this call to action, unneccessary. These things need time, not reform.

:D

  grvmpybear

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4/18/13 1:24:34 PM#10
I'd rather see LARPing become a sport than video games.

E-sports is like professional TV watching. It's a leisure activity, not a sport.

All in my humble opinion, of course.

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  Timassin

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4/18/13 1:29:52 PM#11
One thing about progaming in general is, people watch it and think I could be as good as him if I played as much as him. In most gaming in general if someone is better then you usually you think it's the games fault not yours and that your better. Tell me it's not true, anyone that pvps thinks they are the best no matter how much better someone is then them. Pro athletes are usually very gifted physically and dedicated their lives to a physical spot, it's totally different.
  Rinna

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4/18/13 2:12:13 PM#12
I can't stand PvP and I think true competitiveness has a much better place somewhere away from my games.

No bitchers.

  Dauzqul

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4/18/13 3:24:58 PM#13
Originally posted by Timassin
One thing about progaming in general is, people watch it and think I could be as good as him if I played as much as him. In most gaming in general if someone is better then you usually you think it's the games fault not yours and that your better. Tell me it's not true, anyone that pvps thinks they are the best no matter how much better someone is then them. Pro athletes are usually very gifted physically and dedicated their lives to a physical spot, it's totally different.

I disagree. Those who are better at games are better because they put their time and energy into it. This is especially true in FPS. It took me years of hardcore playing to get to level I play at today. The problem is that if a person puts 4 hours per day in boxing training as opposed to playing some online shooter, the boxing person is much more respected. Pro gaming has and always will be a joke to most people.

  Myria

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4/18/13 3:44:08 PM#14

I can see it now:

 

"The Teabag Bowl!"

  User Deleted
4/18/13 3:57:28 PM#15

Back in the day I was one of my city's top Starcraft 1 players but this was back in 2003-2004.. couldn't go pro because there was almost no support structure and I had to choose between being a pro-gamer and school in the end.

 

To anyone who says E-sports are not true sports: First try and beat a world class chess player then do the same with a world class starcraft 1 or starcraft 2 player, or try and beat a pro tennis player and then jump into a 1vs1 vs a World of Tanks pro gamer. You will quickly see just how close the sentiment of being outclassed is between cyber sports and real world sports and indeed the difference between the two is one of application and of perception but in the end these sportsmen train with the same intensity (part of the reason why I had to choose between pro-gaming and school is that the training schedual for a starcraft 1 pro gamer is around 8-9 hours of practice and honing his skills in terms of micromanagement and macromanagement which left ass all time for anything else).

  Aeolron

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Everyones a mmo vet these days :P

4/18/13 9:13:49 PM#16
I agree with you Dihoru , Where I live we have zero structure for that sort of thing as well. There's been afew competitions I wanted to join but I couldn't because I live in Canada, so I played on a professional paint ball team and won Aton of matches, long story short, they should make some of these esport things available to everyone and not a select few, how can anyone say they are the best in the world if they didn't challenge the world but just a country or two? I agree 100% that esports in mmos is not a good idea , everyone generally is different and some classes are far superior to others, while in FPS , everyone can have the same weapons and that is skill, save some hackers using wall hacks and aim bott, I will say that I've seen my fair share of amazing players back in the day, and there wasn't any insulting or name calling, but now it's completely different to the point that many players don't want to deal with the negative attitude that comes with pvp games now adays. Just my two cents:)
  larrypsy

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4/18/13 10:23:15 PM#17

Gave up sports when "dem bums" left Brooklyn. At times I wonder if folks are more concerned about their home team than their home planet. Meanwhile, now that gun control was defeated in congress perhaps more people will be motivated to get off their butts and vote the jerks out of office. 99% can accomplish a lot if they want to.. Yeah, I do play games, so many in fact I remain an "Isolit" throughout them all........

  WW4BW

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4/18/13 10:36:10 PM#18
Originally posted by adam_nox

"PvP is gaining momentum in "mainstream" society as more and more gamers take part."

 

Alright, I'm going to stop you right there.  PvP has always been mainstream, and what has separated mmo's from mainstream gaming was, at least for a time, a level of sophistication and maturity.  It's mmo's that have become more mainstream, and players who don't care about the finer points of mmo enjoyment have come in with their expectation to compete in e-peen waving contests in instanced maps, capturing flags and teabagging each other.  Yes, mmos have had a long history of conflict.  To call both such conflicts and e-sports PvP is to call an apple an orange.

I'd say that MMOs are becoming less MMO and more a lobby for joining in Co-Op or a MOBA or something like that.. MMOs and eSports should have very little to do with each other. What the hell is the point of having a massive persistant online world, when you spend most of your time in a minigame that resets and has no effect on the world. Might as well be playing a MOBA or an FPS. Or if PvE is your bag you could be playing Diablo 3 or POE or whatever.

Its disgusting what has happened to MMOs in the last 10 years. The genre has changed into something that was done so much better by single or multi player games. 

  karat76

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4/19/13 8:56:48 AM#19
Have to disagree with you. FPS or any other E=sport is not a sport. Other osters are cuoorect when they talk about admiration for football players and people like Phelps. No matter how hard I train I could never be one of them but sitting in front of a screen for hours on end does not an athlete make. It is a competition but to call them athletes is laughable.
  JasonJ

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4/19/13 11:16:20 AM#20

I have been a gamer since the mid 80s, I L O V E video games...but I wouldnt watch someone else playing a video game anymore than I would want to watch someone Golf...or cut grass.

Its boring. Sure, CHECKING OUT a new game via watching someone play it, thats fine...for a short period of time. And no, I will never call a pro-gamer an athelete and thus I will not call playing video games a sport.

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