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  dantheman13

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OP  4/18/13 7:39:46 PM#21
Originally posted by Panzerbase
Originally posted by dantheman13

From: http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/backer+questions

When is my card charged?

If the project you’re backing is successfully funded, your card will be charged when the project reaches its funding deadline. If the project does not reach its funding goal, your card is never charged. That's why we call them pledges.

A lot of people still seem to not understand this.  Knowing this, why not pay $25 to receive the game, a free month, and access to the beta (if the kickstarter funds) if you are even somewhat interested in seeing the game?  

 

I'm not interested in it, but thanks for the information. 

You're welcome!  Now you'll know in case there are other Kickstarter games out there. :)

  Loktofeit

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4/18/13 8:02:21 PM#22
Originally posted by dantheman13
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Dude, spend your money however you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't donate and I'm not judging you at all. My issue was with the OP panhandling and insinuating people are cheap because they don't want to donate to his cause. 

I know $25 can be a lot of money for some people for something that will take 3-4 years to produce, that's the way life is.  I was just trying to educate people because I am sick of both backers and non-backers thinking that CU is taking donations.  

It's entirely possible they are thinking that because it is a donation. Again, trying to insinuate people aren't donating because $25 is a lot for them is a bit arrogant, especially when each person already gave you reasons why they weren't donating. You're not educating anyone, you're trying to guilt people into donating.

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  mav1234

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4/18/13 8:09:30 PM#23
While the later posts trying to guilt people into pledging are frustrating, I actually think the OP is useful because I have run into quite a few people who think they lose the money if the project doesn't fund.
  Loktofeit

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4/18/13 8:12:19 PM#24
Originally posted by mav1234
While the later posts trying to guilt people into pledging are frustrating, I actually think the OP is useful because I have run into quite a few people who think they lose the money if the project doesn't fund.

I think IndieGoGo does that, which might be why some think that. Good point, mav.

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  black777

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4/18/13 8:12:37 PM#25
Originally posted by mav1234
While the later posts trying to guilt people into pledging are frustrating, I actually think the OP is useful because I have run into quite a few people who think they lose the money if the project doesn't fund.

 Exactly.

  GrayGhost79

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4/18/13 8:24:39 PM#26
Originally posted by dantheman13
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Dude, spend your money however you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't donate and I'm not judging you at all. My issue was with the OP panhandling and insinuating people are cheap because they don't want to donate to his cause. 

I know $25 can be a lot of money for some people for something that will take 3-4 years to produce, that's the way life is.  I was just trying to educate people because I am sick of both backers and non-backers thinking that CU is taking donations.  

Did we really need another thread devoted to begging for people to pledge to CU and trying to guilt and insult those that don't want to? 

  Danwarr

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4/18/13 10:31:23 PM#27
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by dantheman13
Yeah, $25 is a big gamble.

Did you want to argue or did you genuinely want to know why people weren't backing it? 

Whether it's $5, $25 or $250 the amount isn't the point. There's currently no product/serivce. If one does come to fruition it will be a year or two from now, right?

On the flip side, Planet Explorers has an alpha out. I have had the opportunity to try the alpha of their game (free download on their Kickstarter page) and experience what they are working toward. Their goals beyond what they have already created are very realistic and doable. I threw significantly more than $25 at that as I have reasonable confidence not only that it will be made but, more importantly, that what they are creating is actually something I want. 

Trying to insinuate people are cheap just because they aren't backing something sight unseen that you personally are putting a lot of faith in is a bit unreasonable, no? 

i view KS in many lights.. it's there for numerous reasons.. sometimes its for  just a half or almost finished project that needs a little bump to get it finished or it can be for a brand new project that is looking for funding to actually start the product and feel out if there is even a market for such a project.. i don't always expect anything from KS if I know this.. if i know the developer or like their vision I feel its worth backing.. id most likely buy the game in the end so ill put some "faith" as you say in a project to help them get started and hopefully help shape the game

Dude, spend your money however you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't donate and I'm not judging you at all. My issue was with the OP panhandling and insinuating people are cheap because they don't want to donate to his cause. 

I think both CU backers and non-backers really need to step back a bit.

Loko, you're right that the OP is panhandling and insinuating people are cheap. However, there are people who don't really seem to understand the whole idea of Kickstarter.

Kickstarter is a method by which filmmakers, musicians, artists, and designers obtain funding for their various projects to see those ideas come to life. These projects can be in various phases of development. Some might be mostly done and just need a little extra capital to make it over the hump. Some might be midway through development and need more money so they can spend more time on their project. And some can be in the early conceptual stages where the foundations for project are being laid out and the basics systems are being made.

CU is in this early stage. By pledging to CU, you are supporting the ideas Mark Jacobs has committed to the project. 

As with any investment, there is risk. You might not like the final product. 

So, if you would like to support the types of ideas Mark Jacobs is presenting in CU, make a pledge.

If you would like to see more concrete development before giving over your hard earned money to CSE , don't pledge.

Neither side is wrong.

What is wrong are the backers calling non-backers stingy, while the non-backers are calling the backers idiots.

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  Valgar1

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4/18/13 10:45:21 PM#28

  Camelot Unchained,

 

I myself as a gammer, think it is sickening to be asking people to fund a game when there dollers could all be going twords causes like actually HELPING people with real life problems.  Am i taking crazy pills?  People would fund a game so others could potentially become rich off it??? WTF is this world coming too. I work in a field where there are children who can not cloth themselfs or feed themselfs but here it is in black and white. A game company asking for donations to make there game?!

Seriously? I will NEVER play a game like this, mark or mike or whatever your name is,  Get a grip on yourself. And any of you pledging money to a game developer to make a game because they can not get the funding themself i do not know what to tell you as human beings.....

  Tokken

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4/18/13 10:45:35 PM#29


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Tokken I honestly don't like this pledge system. Games are so bad lately I would rather them fund their games and I buy it if it gets good reviews. It's a crapshoot if you pledge... there is no guarentees whether the game will be good or not. I would rather know what I am getting after the game is completed.... then buy/subscribe to it.
when is there a guarantee ever? how many games have you bought because others said it was AMAZING but you thought it was crap.. happens all the time

I think that's a cop out. How many MMO games turned out "AWESOME" so far through kickstarter? Look what happened with Greedmonger so far... that's gonna tank, people threw money at it and look what ya got. If game companies want to make money then they need to fund it themselves and earn our dollar. They need to prove themselves to us especially in this declining MMO market. It's like giving someone thousands of dollars before they paint your house. You don't know if they will do a good job... or if they will leave you high and dry. I wait till the house is painted and I am assured they did a good job before I pay them... and give them a tip for their hard earned work. They need to work hard to earn our money, earn our time, earn our devotion to their MMO. I want a finished product and a quality game before I threw my money at it. And when I do and if the the game does suck, at least I know I researched the game before I bought it and knew what I was getting into... Games will fall even deeper into the dumpster if this continues.

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  GreenHell

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4/18/13 10:56:20 PM#30
Originally posted by dantheman13

From: http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/backer+questions

When is my card charged?

If the project you’re backing is successfully funded, your card will be charged when the project reaches its funding deadline. If the project does not reach its funding goal, your card is never charged. That's why we call them pledges.

You really should have just stopped this post right here. Up until now all you did was offer some education. I don't know if it was needed or not but it's good to put the info out there.

A lot of people still seem to not understand this.  Knowing this, why not pay $25 to receive the game, a free month, and access to the beta (if the kickstarter funds) if you are even somewhat interested in seeing the game?  

This (as it has been pointed out a few times) is a rather pathetic attempt at trying to get people to fund CU. You should have just left it alone.

  Tokken

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4/18/13 10:57:25 PM#31


Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by dantheman13

Originally posted by Loktofeit Dude, spend your money however you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't donate and I'm not judging you at all. My issue was with the OP panhandling and insinuating people are cheap because they don't want to donate to his cause. 
I know $25 can be a lot of money for some people for something that will take 3-4 years to produce, that's the way life is.  I was just trying to educate people because I am sick of both backers and non-backers thinking that CU is taking donations.  
Did we really need another thread devoted to begging for people to pledge to CU and trying to guilt and insult those that don't want to? 

Agreed. Sounds like a guilt trip. Used car salesman? My mother and her guilt trips? lol If you want to pledge.... great, I hope CU turns out good. Please don't beg for help.

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  sketocafe

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4/18/13 10:59:47 PM#32
Originally posted by dantheman13

From: http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/backer+questions

When is my card charged?

If the project you’re backing is successfully funded, your card will be charged when the project reaches its funding deadline. If the project does not reach its funding goal, your card is never charged. That's why we call them pledges.

A lot of people still seem to not understand this.  Knowing this, why not pay $25 to receive the game, a free month, and access to the beta (if the kickstarter funds) if you are even somewhat interested in seeing the game?  

 

Because the project might fund and then i'll be charged.

  ananda

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4/18/13 11:05:09 PM#33
Originally posted by Valgar1

  Camelot Unchained,

 

I myself as a gammer, think it is sickening to be asking people to fund a game when there dollers could all be going twords causes like actually HELPING people with real life problems.  Am i taking crazy pills?  People would fund a game so others could potentially become rich off it??? WTF is this world coming too. I work in a field where there are children who can not cloth themselfs or feed themselfs but here it is in black and white. A game company asking for donations to make there game?!

Seriously? I will NEVER play a game like this, mark or mike or whatever your name is,  Get a grip on yourself. And any of you pledging money to a game developer to make a game because they can not get the funding themself i do not know what to tell you as human beings.....

Whoa. The view must be nice from up there on the moral high ground. I want to try too :) 

If that is how you think about the world, how can live with yourself when you call yourself a gamer? Don't you know that the money you spent buying games could be donated to clothe or feed said children? Or if you never spent a dime on games, the time you spent gaming could be spent volunteering (even more) instead?? Get a grip on yourself.

  Dreamo84

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4/18/13 11:53:06 PM#34
Originally posted by ananda
Originally posted by Valgar1

  Camelot Unchained,

 

I myself as a gammer, think it is sickening to be asking people to fund a game when there dollers could all be going twords causes like actually HELPING people with real life problems.  Am i taking crazy pills?  People would fund a game so others could potentially become rich off it??? WTF is this world coming too. I work in a field where there are children who can not cloth themselfs or feed themselfs but here it is in black and white. A game company asking for donations to make there game?!

Seriously? I will NEVER play a game like this, mark or mike or whatever your name is,  Get a grip on yourself. And any of you pledging money to a game developer to make a game because they can not get the funding themself i do not know what to tell you as human beings.....

Whoa. The view must be nice from up there on the moral high ground. I want to try too :) 

If that is how you think about the world, how can live with yourself when you call yourself a gamer? Don't you know that the money you spent buying games could be donated to clothe or feed said children? Or if you never spent a dime on games, the time you spent gaming could be spent volunteering (even more) instead?? Get a grip on yourself.

haha, ya that's exactly what I thought when I read his post too. Only finished games are more important than starving naked babies!

I do kind of get where he is coming from though. Since this is basically a "fundraiser" it seems a bit off that someone would donate thousands of dollars to a fundraiser for a video game rather than say, a fundraiser for the SPCA or a battered women shelter.

  Aerowyn

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4/19/13 6:01:59 AM#35
Originally posted by Tokken

 


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Tokken I honestly don't like this pledge system. Games are so bad lately I would rather them fund their games and I buy it if it gets good reviews. It's a crapshoot if you pledge... there is no guarentees whether the game will be good or not. I would rather know what I am getting after the game is completed.... then buy/subscribe to it.
when is there a guarantee ever? how many games have you bought because others said it was AMAZING but you thought it was crap.. happens all the time

I think that's a cop out. How many MMO games turned out "AWESOME" so far through kickstarter? Look what happened with Greedmonger so far... that's gonna tank, people threw money at it and look what ya got. If game companies want to make money then they need to fund it themselves and earn our dollar. They need to prove themselves to us especially in this declining MMO market. It's like giving someone thousands of dollars before they paint your house. You don't know if they will do a good job... or if they will leave you high and dry. I wait till the house is painted and I am assured they did a good job before I pay them... and give them a tip for their hard earned work. They need to work hard to earn our money, earn our time, earn our devotion to their MMO. I want a finished product and a quality game before I threw my money at it. And when I do and if the the game does suck, at least I know I researched the game before I bought it and knew what I was getting into... Games will fall even deeper into the dumpster if this continues.

 

how is it a cop out.. what did the swtor guys prove to me in the MMO world that would warrant me to buy that game? nothing they never made a MMO before and just went off it being bioware + star wars and their singple player expereince.. Poeple pay for renovation jobs to houses all the time before the work is done.. most require upfront money to pay for the materials anyway.. poiints is their really isn't much of a difference when it comes to getting screwed over by a video game.. at least with KS you have a "chance" to help shape and game form its inception if its a game like CU.. many games come ot KS with already finished or almost finished games and just need a couple bucks to finish up the project. CU is not like this and is a game being designed by a MMO/online game veteran made for people tired of the same old same old it seems.. After watching all his latest interviews I have no problems backing this project and seeing it through. KS is way to new to claim it won't produce quality games..it honestly has not been around long enough for even an average mmo to get completed...If star citizen, the repopulation, pathfinder, and this one if it funds fail then you may have a point but that has still yet to be determined

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  Caldrin

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4/19/13 6:06:07 AM#36

at the end of the day its up to the person if they want to back a game on kickstarter or not..

 

myself i really like what the guy is saying and i know i wont miss $50.. and if in 3 years time or wahtever we do get the game he is talking about i will be very happy.. if we dont then wow i lost $50.. i spend more than that gonig out on a friday night and getting pissed..

 

 

Myself I think Kickstarter is probally the best thnig to happen to PC gaming for a very long time.. it allows devs to self fund games they want to make and games that we would never see coming from AAA publishers because all they think about are WOW clones and COD clones because millions of people keep buying them for some reason..  and millinos of people buying games = big $$$..

 

So now with kicstarter we are going to see some different types of games getting released, not just MMOs but lots of different games that we might never have got to play..

 

So for me kickstarter is a great thing but it does not mean i back everything.. i only back things I would actually want to play.

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  Wickedjelly

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4/19/13 6:13:53 AM#37
Originally posted by Caldrin

 

Myself I think Kickstarter is probally the best thnig to happen to PC gaming for a very long time.. it allows devs to self fund games they want to make and games that we would never see coming from AAA publishers because all they think about are WOW clones and COD clones because millions of people keep buying them for some reason..  and millinos of people buying games = big $$$..

 

So now with kicstarter we are going to see some different types of games getting released, not just MMOs but lots of different games that we might never have got to play..

 

So for me kickstarter is a great thing but it does not mean i back everything.. i only back things I would actually want to play.

I agree. Unfortunately, there will be those out there that take advantage of KS and misuse it, but generally speaking I think it has the potential to allow for niche games to be created. It can also used by developers and even gamers to see if their really is a customer base for the genre of game they want see created and developed.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Betaguy

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4/19/13 6:20:51 AM#38
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by parrotpholk
Originally posted by Tuktz

Good point. I've been surprised how many people I've come across that really thought if they pledged and it didn't hit goal, they'd still lose their money.

 

good idea to raise awareness on that, because I didn't know that either before this project. I, like many others, had never used kick starter before cu

Also dang, people act like $25 is a kidney or something. I spend twice that going to eat with my fiancé several times a week. What is 25 divided over a 3 year dev cycle? Little more than $8 a year? 

If you support this game and can't afford that, you prolly shouldn't be playin games anyway lol.

the other people that wouldn't play this even if it were free, thanks for constantly increasing awareness of camelot unchained all the time by constantly bumping cu threads :-)

if not for you guys, we wouldn't be near 65% funded with over two weeks to go, and I think 8 k backers now.

your help with raising public awareness has been truly instrumental to making this happen :-)

 

 

Not really the point.  If I walked up to your door and said I had an idea for something awesome just give me 50 bucks and in 3 yrs I will bring it to you....would you do it?  Did not think so.

thats got to be one of the worst analogies I have seen on these forums

 Why is that? His analogy is spot on...

  Betaguy

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4/19/13 6:23:09 AM#39
I personally hate all this kickstarter shit. I think it is ridiculas that not only do we buy thier games, pay monthly fees, and now help fund thier development? What is this industry coming too.

  hfztt

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4/19/13 6:24:46 AM#40
Originally posted by parrotpholk
There is so little known that blind faith is something I do not go on.  I loved DAOC but that does not mean lightning will strike twice.  Give me more than promises and I would have pleged 100 or more.

I think the saying about funding in the gaming world goes something like: "Everybody have great ideas. Show me a working prototype and we can talk."

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