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General Discussion  » Defiance gets 5.9 ( Mediocre ) from Ign.com

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  aRtFuLThinG

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4/17/13 11:16:41 PM#61
Originally posted by Asheram
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by mmoguy43
That is a bit low. I'd think they would give it a 6.4 or close. But I agree, that in the first 10-20 hours of play it is worse in quality compared to games like Global Agenda(8.4) or APB (7.6). Also, in limited time frames, it makes sense that MMORPGs like SWTOR can recieve an 9+ before realising how limited the game is.

ya but even then swtor as bad as it is now there is still more contents to play with compared to defiance.

Swtor is mmo, Defiance is not.

As for the score vs Global Agenda and APB actually I think that was very unjustified. I've played all 3 gamed (APB and Global Agenda to a high level) and I don't feel either of them is better than Defiance in anyway (definitely NOT APB - APB is horrid compare to Defiance).

Global Agenda is just as one dimensional as Defiance, and the arts are worse imo (because it is too fanciful, whereas Defiance is more realism). APB's artwork is better than both but it's gameplay is totally woeful and the game systems itself are wayyyy too prone to exploit. Also with APB there is nothing to do if there is no opposition, which is a BIG problem that neither Defiance or GA has.

Global Agenda was even worse at launch as everything was instanced and you needed a group to do any of its content, it was a long time til it even got an open world to play in.

Exactly. Good point.

That's why I think this score is completely unjustified considering the score that GA and APB got.

  GrayGhost79

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4/17/13 11:17:29 PM#62
Originally posted by nationalcity
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by VastoHorde

Looks like we got our review and honestly I think its a good review. If you people continue to support these poor excuses for mmos then thats all we are going to get.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/defiance-review-pc

This poor excuse for an MMO has already given me more entertainment and enjoyment than the following MMOs combined... 

 

SWTOR - IGN gave them a 9.6 and of course the game was a massive flop

AoC - IGN gave it a 7.9 and of course the game was a massive flop

Aion - IGN gave it an 8.5 and of course the game was a massive flop

Fallen Earth - IGN gave it an 8.1 and of course the game was a massive flop

 

I'll gladly continue to support a poor excuse for an MMO that I enjoy rather than the "True" MMOs out there that I find boring as hell. 

 

Currently I play APB, Rift, GW2, Defiance and PS2. There are some games like WoW and EVE that simply aren't my cup of tea but most like TERA and FFXIV simply aren't worth my time. 

 

 

 

I think the worlds definition of massive flop and yours are completely different......

 

I betcha 3 outta them 4 games you listed have bigger sub numbers then defiance lol......

Fallen earth the free to play? 

SWTOR the free to play? 

Aion the free to play? 

Or AoC which is more of an extended trial type of free to play?

 

  erictlewis

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4/17/13 11:19:12 PM#63

Well I tried it in beta, and what can I say.  5.9 is really giving them to much.  I ranked it more of a 3.  The reasons are simple the chat window on the pc is bad, and the ui on the pc is bad.  I got to say trion blew it on this one but thats not really a surpise. 

As far as the tv show, it was uhh kind of ok, but its not farscape, its not bsg, and its not firefly, and it sure does not have the potential that swg had.  So yea if it last for more than two seasons I will be shocked. 

 

  nationalcity

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Posts: 314

4/17/13 11:19:24 PM#64
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by nationalcity
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by VastoHorde

Looks like we got our review and honestly I think its a good review. If you people continue to support these poor excuses for mmos then thats all we are going to get.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/defiance-review-pc

This poor excuse for an MMO has already given me more entertainment and enjoyment than the following MMOs combined... 

 

SWTOR - IGN gave them a 9.6 and of course the game was a massive flop

AoC - IGN gave it a 7.9 and of course the game was a massive flop

Aion - IGN gave it an 8.5 and of course the game was a massive flop

Fallen Earth - IGN gave it an 8.1 and of course the game was a massive flop

 

I'll gladly continue to support a poor excuse for an MMO that I enjoy rather than the "True" MMOs out there that I find boring as hell. 

 

Currently I play APB, Rift, GW2, Defiance and PS2. There are some games like WoW and EVE that simply aren't my cup of tea but most like TERA and FFXIV simply aren't worth my time. 

 

 

 

I think the worlds definition of massive flop and yours are completely different......

 

I betcha 3 outta them 4 games you listed have bigger sub numbers then defiance lol......

Fallen earth the free to play? 

SWTOR the free to play? 

Aion the free to play? 

Or AoC which is more of an extended trial type of free to play?

 

Just because what they went f2p there massive flops *shakes head* I just don't understand...

  rojo6934

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

4/17/13 11:21:32 PM#65
The game still needs a bunch of improvements, but IGN's reviews dont affect my decisions with games in the slightest. I trust more very indepth reviews from people who play the game extensively and give more unbiased reviews and hit every point good and bad of the game. When i watch or read IGN reviews i do it to compare their biased opinions with other reviewers. Then i press X to close the IGN window.

"in peace, in sleep under the barren, abandoned soil"

  Thornrage

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Joined: 12/26/07
Posts: 487

Why kill them with kindness, when I can use an axe?

4/17/13 11:22:05 PM#66
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by Thornrage
Originally posted by mysticalspam
yhea.... i wanted to get this game but was waiting on the reviews... glad i waited, i wont spend money on anything with raiting lower than a 7.5

lol

I'm glad I dont wait on someone else to decide what games I buy.

I'm glad I do wait on someone else to decide what games I buy because waiting on reviews is much more smater then being a retard who waste money and then complains later on that the game was crap and they want their money back.

 

If I put my money down on a game and dont like it, oh well, I move on to the next. I dont get butt hurt like the rest of you.

If I had waited for some random person to make up my mind on Defiance, I would have missed out on the past week of fun.

Think about it, I like the game. What if I was working for IGN and made the review with a 7.6? Does that mean you are going to buy the game because I told you it was good? Reviews are just like opinion which are just like assholes. 

  DarkVergil

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Joined: 2/07/06
Posts: 78

4/17/13 11:22:08 PM#67
The game is shit, serouisly who didnt expect this?
  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4885

4/17/13 11:23:13 PM#68
Originally posted by nationalcity
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by nationalcity
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by VastoHorde

Looks like we got our review and honestly I think its a good review. If you people continue to support these poor excuses for mmos then thats all we are going to get.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/defiance-review-pc

This poor excuse for an MMO has already given me more entertainment and enjoyment than the following MMOs combined... 

 

SWTOR - IGN gave them a 9.6 and of course the game was a massive flop

AoC - IGN gave it a 7.9 and of course the game was a massive flop

Aion - IGN gave it an 8.5 and of course the game was a massive flop

Fallen Earth - IGN gave it an 8.1 and of course the game was a massive flop

 

I'll gladly continue to support a poor excuse for an MMO that I enjoy rather than the "True" MMOs out there that I find boring as hell. 

 

Currently I play APB, Rift, GW2, Defiance and PS2. There are some games like WoW and EVE that simply aren't my cup of tea but most like TERA and FFXIV simply aren't worth my time. 

 

 

 

I think the worlds definition of massive flop and yours are completely different......

 

I betcha 3 outta them 4 games you listed have bigger sub numbers then defiance lol......

Fallen earth the free to play? 

SWTOR the free to play? 

Aion the free to play? 

Or AoC which is more of an extended trial type of free to play?

 

Just because what they went f2p there massive flops *shakes head* I just don't understand...

Nah, I only consider them massive flops because they lost the majority of their intial player base and failed to profit on their original buisness model as they had planned and had to restructure to stay afloat. 

  Purutzil

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Joined: 10/02/11
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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

4/17/13 11:23:23 PM#69
I'm quite amazed they rated it so low. Then again they weren't probably paying so its not getting suck up scores like all the other games which would probably net it not all that far from other MMos out there that got scoreed. So yay, it didn't do to bad, not perfect but its only about ~1 point  from what the top games REALLY are rated! XD
  mmoguy43

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Posts: 2260

4/17/13 11:25:26 PM#70
Well, maybe the reason for the low score does have more to do with the reviewer hearing the hype and just not buying it. He gave the show a 6.9 on top of that. Pretty much saying, it not as amazing as they said it would be.
  aRtFuLThinG

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4/17/13 11:25:28 PM#71
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

SWTOR the free to play?

lol swtor free to play...

 

Good luck getting anywhere in swtor with that mentality.

 

Swtor is pay to stay mate - try having any fun not paying. You can't even get enough action bars for your actions.

  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

4/17/13 11:31:20 PM#72
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by VastoHorde

Looks like we got our review and honestly I think its a good review. If you people continue to support these poor excuses for mmos then thats all we are going to get.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/defiance-review-pc

This poor excuse for an MMO has already given me more entertainment and enjoyment than the following MMOs combined... 

Aion - IGN gave it an 8.5 and of course the game was a massive flop

 

 

Wait... what? Aion, the game that was top of the charts in the Eastern market for years was a flop? Really? What the heck are you on?

 

Sorry for picking this post but... I really couldn't stand seeing that. Next thing you will tell me that Macs are, in fact, the number 1 computer system out there since "graphic artists" use it the most and counting their numbers to define it.

  aRtFuLThinG

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Posts: 1000

4/17/13 11:31:29 PM#73
Originally posted by Purutzil
I'm quite amazed they rated it so low. Then again they weren't probably paying so its not getting suck up scores like all the other games which would probably net it not all that far from other MMos out there that got scoreed. So yay, it didn't do to bad, not perfect but its only about ~1 point  from what the top games REALLY are rated! XD

I don't think it is because they were "paid" per se, as don't really want to make assumptions on any corruption might exist lol...

 

But I can deduce why the score might be higher (though still don't think it is justified):

1. Global Agenda's concept was "fresh" when it came out.

2. GA was made by an indie AND upstart studio who's first game was that game.

3. APB was a cops and robbers game, maybe the IGN guys REALLY likes cops and robbers (or like being a tryhard Mexican gangster who secretly do the Mexican accent too in their private time)

4. APB was also made by an indie upstart studio and first game.

5. There is less advertising form GA and APB, therefore less expectations.

 

  mmoguy43

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4/17/13 11:32:44 PM#74
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Nah, I only consider them massive flops because they lost the majority of their intial player base and failed to profit on their original buisness model as they had planned and had to restructure to stay afloat. 

You say that like loosing most of your players before the first year is a new thing...

Everything is going F2P in hopes to generate more revenue... Defiance B2P w/ cash shop?

  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

4/17/13 11:37:05 PM#75
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by Purutzil
I'm quite amazed they rated it so low. Then again they weren't probably paying so its not getting suck up scores like all the other games which would probably net it not all that far from other MMos out there that got scoreed. So yay, it didn't do to bad, not perfect but its only about ~1 point  from what the top games REALLY are rated! XD

I don't think it is because they were "paid" per se, as don't really want to make assumptions on any corruption might exist lol...

 

But I can deduce why the score might be higher (though still don't think it is justified):

1. Global Agenda's concept was "fresh" when it came out.

2. GA was made by an indie AND upstart studio who's first game was that game.

3. APB was a cops and robbers game, maybe the IGN guys REALLY likes cops and robbers (or like being a tryhard Mexican gangster who secretly do the Mexican accent too in their private time)

4. APB was also made by an indie upstart studio and first game.

5. There is less advertising form GA and APB, therefore less expectations.

 

Talking about other games, not defiance. Yeah... theres actually a lot of that 'behind the counter' being paid deal to say bluntly. To be fair, corruption is everywhere from politics to business. Its how we sadly conduct our business.

Its not at all uncommon at all with the press, this site here (sorry, we know they pay the bills and we know YOU know) has done it, and other sites even to far extremes. Remember dorito gate (linked below if you want a thread about it) its pretty much a reality we come to associate with it. Scores are useless really. Even IF someone wasn't fueled by bias, I'd still say to go out and play something and try it. Even a bad game you can find yourself actually enjoying the gameplay off despite many viewing it negatively.

 

http://kotaku.com/5957810/the-contemptible-games-journalist-why-so-many-people-dont-trust-the-gaming-press-and-why-theyre-sometimes-wrong

  GrayGhost79

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4/17/13 11:40:19 PM#76
Originally posted by mmoguy43
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Nah, I only consider them massive flops because they lost the majority of their intial player base and failed to profit on their original buisness model as they had planned and had to restructure to stay afloat. 

You say that like loosing most of your players before the first year is a new thing...

Everything is going F2P in hopes to generate more revenue... Defiance B2P w/ cash shop?

Defiance is b2p with an optional service, fluff, and convienence shop. Its a far cry from the monstrosity of SWTOR and others. 

And no, I don't consider losing most of your players before the first year a new thing, nor do I consider losing most of your players after the first month or two as the games I listed did a new thing. There have been many flops in the MMO industry that have done this. 

  GrayGhost79

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4/17/13 11:47:40 PM#77
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by VastoHorde

Looks like we got our review and honestly I think its a good review. If you people continue to support these poor excuses for mmos then thats all we are going to get.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/defiance-review-pc

This poor excuse for an MMO has already given me more entertainment and enjoyment than the following MMOs combined... 

Aion - IGN gave it an 8.5 and of course the game was a massive flop

 

 

Wait... what? Aion, the game that was top of the charts in the Eastern market for years was a flop? Really? What the heck are you on?

 

Sorry for picking this post but... I really couldn't stand seeing that. Next thing you will tell me that Macs are, in fact, the number 1 computer system out there since "graphic artists" use it the most and counting their numbers to define it.

Sorry, IGN didn't give the Eastern version of Aion an 8.5. They gave the Western version an 8.5 and yes, I actually heard Aion was rather good prior to the westernization of it. 

I'm not sure what a Mac has to do with that. 

Out of curiosity... wouldn't saying a mac does poorly compared to PC be the same as me saying Aion flopped? I mean yes Mac is doing poorly in the personal computer sector just like Aion did poorly in the West,  but it is doing really well in the business sector just like Aion did in the East. 

  bcbully

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4/17/13 11:58:08 PM#78

I think 5.9 is kind.  With the way Trion has handled their two games after RIFT, It should be concerning to those waiting for Archeage. 

 

There will be a lot of changes coming down the pipe there.

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

4/17/13 11:59:44 PM#79

This is one guys review not an IGN review.

I found it extremely tough to swallow that he mentions Defiance does not hook you in ,yet WOW did?IS he serious,Wow is like the ONLY major game until Rift that does not land you in a major starting area/city.That is why although his reference to Wow is a weak one,i do know Trion did the same thing,starting you in some warehouse in Rift,instead of an active city.

So not exactly sure what he finds as a gaming HOOK to keep you going,i know it differes far from my expectations.

Even still,i have done a lot of reading, a lot of video watching on this  game and it just seems ot be like so many other games,done half ass.

What scares me a lot is that developers tend to listen to media outlets more than the actual gamers.When i hear talk of poor AI,i fear the lazy system designers at various studios,wil ltake that as meaning "We better up the accuracy".

GOOD solid AI,needs to be challenging yes,but it also needs to look realistic and not like some automated computer program.It really does take some effort,something system designers need to put more care into.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Napolianboo#p/u/15/rCYLLQCNc1w
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  BrownAle

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4/18/13 12:00:21 AM#80

Oh, the guy who made this review gave Diablo 3 a 9.5. 

Clearly Trion didnt pay them as much lol.

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