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General Discussion  » Defiance gets 5.9 ( Mediocre ) from Ign.com

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  aionix

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4/17/13 10:34:03 PM#41
People actually still go to IGN for review scores? BAHAHAHA I thought we all learned how THEY operate.  Look at scores for ME3, SWTOR, and well any other mediocore or dissapointing EA game and see how high they score.  IGN is the fox news of gaming reviews and journalism.  Why would anyone go to that site is beyond me.
  Aerowyn

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4/17/13 10:34:17 PM#42
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
 

Average gamer Joe doesn't even know sites like IGN exist. I mean you are making the assumption that average gamer joe that doesn't visit any gaming forums and gaming sites is going to go to a gaming site for a review. 

Where exactly are they going to see this IGN review? In PC Gamer (Cause I hear magizines are doing so well even gamestop is having a hard time pushing them onto people while offering them for free). 

i dont really know anyone that hasn't heard of IGN or PC Gamer that's a gamer.. I know pretty much no one that knows mmorpg.com though.. IGN is a huge site and has a lot of influence in my experience.. i don't agree with a lot of their stuff but they do have pull from what I have seen.. which is also why a lot of big game companies try to put in a lot of face time with certain review sites...

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  arieste

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4/17/13 10:34:46 PM#43

This is the same site that gave the steaming turd that is SWTOR a 9.0

 

Their credibility is like in the negatives i think.

 

Although tbh, Defiance is probably a 7 or 8 in terms of MMOFPS/TPS games.  It's not exactly a genre full of gems.  

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  aligada87

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4/17/13 10:34:57 PM#44
Originally posted by Gravarg

I think one of the main problems people have with this game is they're comparing it to "Real MMOs".  Defiance isn't really intended to be an MMO like WoW or EQ.  You're not going to get 60 levels of storyline, it's there but it's not the main part of the game.  The reviewer's first paragraph sums up the problem with his review.  Anyone who reviews games, especially something that's totally different, it's not going to be right.  The closest game to compare it to would be a game like Borderlands, a shooter.  

 

If you're going to compare games in a review you should at least pick games that are close to each other.  It's like saying I'm going to write a review on the original mariokart, but compare it to Skyrim...That's an extreme example, but the review for MarioKart would be totally false and would give it like a -99 out of a scale from 1 to 10 if it was compared to Skyrim lol.  MarioKart is one of the greatest games ever made, but when you compare it to games of a different generation and genre, they just don't match up.

then they shouldnt even call it an mmo. they should call it solo online game

  Gravarg

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4/17/13 10:39:46 PM#45
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by Gravarg

I think one of the main problems people have with this game is they're comparing it to "Real MMOs".  Defiance isn't really intended to be an MMO like WoW or EQ.  You're not going to get 60 levels of storyline, it's there but it's not the main part of the game.  The reviewer's first paragraph sums up the problem with his review.  Anyone who reviews games, especially something that's totally different, it's not going to be right.  The closest game to compare it to would be a game like Borderlands, a shooter.  

 

If you're going to compare games in a review you should at least pick games that are close to each other.  It's like saying I'm going to write a review on the original mariokart, but compare it to Skyrim...That's an extreme example, but the review for MarioKart would be totally false and would give it like a -99 out of a scale from 1 to 10 if it was compared to Skyrim lol.  MarioKart is one of the greatest games ever made, but when you compare it to games of a different generation and genre, they just don't match up.

then they shouldnt even call it an mmo. they should call it solo online game

yeah, it's more like a persistant world online shooter, kinda like how Bungie described Destiny.   Not to mention, he claims SWTOR was a great game...not in my review book.  Everyone has thier opinions, unfortunately people always think their's is the only opinion.

  aligada87

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4/17/13 10:47:30 PM#46
Originally posted by Gravarg
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by Gravarg

I think one of the main problems people have with this game is they're comparing it to "Real MMOs".  Defiance isn't really intended to be an MMO like WoW or EQ.  You're not going to get 60 levels of storyline, it's there but it's not the main part of the game.  The reviewer's first paragraph sums up the problem with his review.  Anyone who reviews games, especially something that's totally different, it's not going to be right.  The closest game to compare it to would be a game like Borderlands, a shooter.  

 

If you're going to compare games in a review you should at least pick games that are close to each other.  It's like saying I'm going to write a review on the original mariokart, but compare it to Skyrim...That's an extreme example, but the review for MarioKart would be totally false and would give it like a -99 out of a scale from 1 to 10 if it was compared to Skyrim lol.  MarioKart is one of the greatest games ever made, but when you compare it to games of a different generation and genre, they just don't match up.

then they shouldnt even call it an mmo. they should call it solo online game

yeah, it's more like a persistant world online shooter, kinda like how Bungie described Destiny.   Not to mention, he claims SWTOR was a great game...not in my review book.  Everyone has thier opinions, unfortunately people always think their's is the only opinion.

tbh i just feel like the game was to rushed.  i mean they couldve done so much more with the game and since the show is great, it kinda saddens me that the game is meh. but ima still wait a little longer to see what the show can offer the game. maybe there are locked towns that we cant enter until it opens up in the show or maybe there is a crafting system. either way ill wait until the show is a little further down the road to fully decide if i will spend money on the game

  GrayGhost79

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4/17/13 10:47:51 PM#47
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
 

Average gamer Joe doesn't even know sites like IGN exist. I mean you are making the assumption that average gamer joe that doesn't visit any gaming forums and gaming sites is going to go to a gaming site for a review. 

Where exactly are they going to see this IGN review? In PC Gamer (Cause I hear magizines are doing so well even gamestop is having a hard time pushing them onto people while offering them for free). 

i dont really know anyone that hasn't heard of IGN or PC Gamer that's a gamer.. know pretty much no one that knows mmorpg.com though.. IGN is a huge site and has a lot of influence in my experience.. i don't agree with a lot of their stuff but they do have pull from what I have seen.. which is also why a lot of big game companies try to put in a lot of face time with certain review sites...

In my experience when gaming was a niche hobby, yes the big review sites had a lot of pull. Once gaming burst open into a mainstream thing that pretty much changed everything. The only ones that really see or take note of the big review sites are the enthusiasts. Its the same as with tech sites. Your average consumer or gamer just doesn't get into these things enough to bother. A well placed poster, commercial, or a good or bad word from a friend, family memeber, or coworker has a great deal more influence on your average gamer. 

 

Yes, many developers and publishers are stuck in the past and still do their best to get as much face time on those sites as possible. It certainly hasn't seemed to be doing them any good lately considering all the flops. Blizzard and Activision know better which is why they found other ways like having WoW come preinstalled on your PC, storming social media, lots and lots and lots of commercials. Look at how much time Blizzard and activision put into those sites now days. Its barely a fraction of what it use to be and its because it doesn't yield the type of results it once did. Count the number of commercials for CoD and WoW, check out the posters and ad placements at places like Gamestop and Bestbuy, how many friends in the past two months have talked about CoD or WoW? 

 

A youtube vid gone viral has more influence on a gamers purchase decision than a review from a site like IGN. 

 

Welcome to 2013.

  mmoguy43

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4/17/13 10:48:28 PM#48
That is a bit low. I'd think they would give it a 6.4 or close. But I agree, that in the first 10-20 hours of play it is worse in quality compared to games like Global Agenda(8.4) or APB (7.6). Also, in limited time frames, it makes sense that MMORPGs like SWTOR can recieve an 9+ before realising how limited the game is.

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  bestever

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4/17/13 10:49:13 PM#49
Originally posted by leoo88556
Yeah this one is oddly decent and quite spot on... IGN's reviews are always so biased and money driven, but well...

I don't find it spot on at all and ANTHONY GALLEGOS the guy who reviewed it had a biase attitude when he started his first video review so yeah don't agree with him at all. I love how he says the questing was so bad, well tell me a better way of making quest. They pretty much have all the ways of doing quest in a shooter.

Not much different then boarderlands questing so not sure what the big deal is. Its a fast paced shooter (twitch shooter now days) with a open world. Whats not to like.

The Show and  game are both pretty good. I just think that most people these days have become cynical assholes.

 

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  aligada87

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4/17/13 10:51:03 PM#50
Originally posted by mmoguy43
That is a bit low. I'd think they would give it a 6.4 or close. But I agree, that in the first 10-20 hours of play it is worse in quality compared to games like Global Agenda(8.4) or APB (7.6). Also, in limited time frames, it makes sense that MMORPGs like SWTOR can recieve an 9+ before realising how limited the game is.

ya but even then swtor as bad as it is now there is still more contents to play with compared to defiance.

  leoo88556

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4/17/13 10:53:06 PM#51
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Leethe
5 point whatever is not a bad review. It's in the middle which is exactly what defiance is. People need to realize what a 1 to 10 scale really means. If 5 is bad whats the point of 1, 2, 3 and 4?

 i think the issue is the over-inflated scores we have seen over the past years on many games.. how swtor got a 9.0 is beyond me but again it's just one persons opinion... although in the case of sites like IGN that one opinion can hold a decent amount of weight

This "scale from 1 to 10" thing is so weird. It's like grading physics and history with the same scale.

SWTOR is a MMORPG and comparing to WoW, Rift, GW2 and the upcoming Wildstar, the game is just a down right 7 at best. On the other hand, Defiance is a shooter first MMO that have open world PvP/PvE, comparing to... well the closest thing is Firefall and it's actually quite different even. I wonder how did they decide to give Defiance such an strange number, "5.9"? What does the score mean and what's the reference in this empty new genre?

Again, grading products in such a varied industry with the 1-10 system is plain ignrotant and imo critics should just stick to the pros and cons of a game and not trying to get "analytical" in a hilarious fashion.

  Aerowyn

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4/17/13 10:55:18 PM#52
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
 

Average gamer Joe doesn't even know sites like IGN exist. I mean you are making the assumption that average gamer joe that doesn't visit any gaming forums and gaming sites is going to go to a gaming site for a review. 

Where exactly are they going to see this IGN review? In PC Gamer (Cause I hear magizines are doing so well even gamestop is having a hard time pushing them onto people while offering them for free). 

i dont really know anyone that hasn't heard of IGN or PC Gamer that's a gamer.. know pretty much no one that knows mmorpg.com though.. IGN is a huge site and has a lot of influence in my experience.. i don't agree with a lot of their stuff but they do have pull from what I have seen.. which is also why a lot of big game companies try to put in a lot of face time with certain review sites...

In my experience when gaming was a niche hobby, yes the big review sites had a lot of pull. Once gaming burst open into a mainstream thing that pretty much changed everything. The only ones that really see or take note of the big review sites are the enthusiasts. Its the same as with tech sites. Your average consumer or gamer just doesn't get into these things enough to bother. A well placed poster, commercial, or a good or bad word from a friend, family memeber, or coworker has a great deal more influence on your average gamer. 

 

Yes, many developers and publishers are stuck in the past and still do their best to get as much face time on those sites as possible. It certainly hasn't seemed to be doing them any good lately considering all the flops. Blizzard and Activision know better which is why they found other ways like having WoW come preinstalled on your PC, storming social media, lots and lots and lots of commercials. Look at how much time Blizzard and activision put into those sites now days. Its barely a fraction of what it use to be and its because it doesn't yield the type of results it once did. Count the number of commercials for CoD and WoW, check out the posters and ad placements at places like Gamestop and Bestbuy, how many friends in the past two months have talked about CoD or WoW? 

 

A youtube vid gone viral has more influence on a gamers purchase decision than a review from a site like IGN. 

 

Welcome to 2013.

if say a average gamer sees a poster of some game or commerical and says oh that's interesting maybe I want to find out some info on it.. what's the easiest place to go to get a general concensous? metacritic.. the 62 defiance is getting i don't think will help this game out much. hell i use metacritic for single player games all the time as I really don't have time to play them usually let alone research them.. but if a game is generally universally praised by fans and review sites I generally will give it a whirl.. And for me it usually pans out.. last two single player games I played were tomb raider and Bioshock Infinite both I felt excellent games overall.

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  GrayGhost79

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4/17/13 10:56:43 PM#53
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by mmoguy43
That is a bit low. I'd think they would give it a 6.4 or close. But I agree, that in the first 10-20 hours of play it is worse in quality compared to games like Global Agenda(8.4) or APB (7.6). Also, in limited time frames, it makes sense that MMORPGs like SWTOR can recieve an 9+ before realising how limited the game is.

ya but even then swtor as bad as it is now there is still more contents to play with compared to defiance.

Nah, the 3 hours of voiced dialog needed to tell you to go kill 10 enemies and come back just makes it seem like theres a lot of content. 

"Dude this game is awesome, I've put in 120 hours into it so far!" 

"Omg, how many quests did you do?"

"Um, I think 4 or 5"

"Oh so there is a lot of side content?"

"No, they just like to talk alot"

 

I kid, I kid, well sort of. 

 

In any case I would hope SWTOR would have more content than Defiance currently does. You are compairing a game launched in December of 2011 vs. a game launched April of 2013. 

  aRtFuLThinG

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4/17/13 11:00:44 PM#54
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by mmoguy43
That is a bit low. I'd think they would give it a 6.4 or close. But I agree, that in the first 10-20 hours of play it is worse in quality compared to games like Global Agenda(8.4) or APB (7.6). Also, in limited time frames, it makes sense that MMORPGs like SWTOR can recieve an 9+ before realising how limited the game is.

ya but even then swtor as bad as it is now there is still more contents to play with compared to defiance.

Swtor is mmo, Defiance is not.

As for the score vs Global Agenda and APB actually I think that was very unjustified. I've played all 3 gamed (APB and Global Agenda to a high level) and I don't feel either of them is better than Defiance in anyway (definitely NOT APB - APB is horrid compare to Defiance).

Global Agenda is just as one dimensional as Defiance, and the arts are worse imo (because it is too fanciful, whereas Defiance is more realism). APB's artwork is better than both but it's gameplay is totally woeful and the game systems itself are wayyyy too prone to exploit. Also with APB there is nothing to do if there is no opposition, which is a BIG problem that neither Defiance or GA has.

  sancher36

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4/17/13 11:00:58 PM#55
I'm not a huge shooter fan but I'm enjoying defiance. I have learnt over the years to never trust a game review I read or listen to online. Even reading reviews in mags can be highly manipulated.
  GrayGhost79

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4/17/13 11:06:16 PM#56
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
 

Average gamer Joe doesn't even know sites like IGN exist. I mean you are making the assumption that average gamer joe that doesn't visit any gaming forums and gaming sites is going to go to a gaming site for a review. 

Where exactly are they going to see this IGN review? In PC Gamer (Cause I hear magizines are doing so well even gamestop is having a hard time pushing them onto people while offering them for free). 

i dont really know anyone that hasn't heard of IGN or PC Gamer that's a gamer.. know pretty much no one that knows mmorpg.com though.. IGN is a huge site and has a lot of influence in my experience.. i don't agree with a lot of their stuff but they do have pull from what I have seen.. which is also why a lot of big game companies try to put in a lot of face time with certain review sites...

In my experience when gaming was a niche hobby, yes the big review sites had a lot of pull. Once gaming burst open into a mainstream thing that pretty much changed everything. The only ones that really see or take note of the big review sites are the enthusiasts. Its the same as with tech sites. Your average consumer or gamer just doesn't get into these things enough to bother. A well placed poster, commercial, or a good or bad word from a friend, family memeber, or coworker has a great deal more influence on your average gamer. 

 

Yes, many developers and publishers are stuck in the past and still do their best to get as much face time on those sites as possible. It certainly hasn't seemed to be doing them any good lately considering all the flops. Blizzard and Activision know better which is why they found other ways like having WoW come preinstalled on your PC, storming social media, lots and lots and lots of commercials. Look at how much time Blizzard and activision put into those sites now days. Its barely a fraction of what it use to be and its because it doesn't yield the type of results it once did. Count the number of commercials for CoD and WoW, check out the posters and ad placements at places like Gamestop and Bestbuy, how many friends in the past two months have talked about CoD or WoW? 

 

A youtube vid gone viral has more influence on a gamers purchase decision than a review from a site like IGN. 

 

Welcome to 2013.

if say a average gamer sees a poster of some game or commerical and says oh that's interesting maybe I want to find out some info on it.. what's the easiest place to go to get a general concensous? metacritic.. the 62 defiance is getting i don't think will help this game out much. hell i use metacritic for single player games all the time as I really don't have time to play them usually let alone research them.. but if a game is generally universally praised by fans and review sites I generally will give it a whirl.. And for me it usually pans out.. last two single player games I played were tomb raider and Bioshock Infinite both I felt excellent games overall.

Your an enthusiast so yes, its expected that you would want to seek out more info. Thats not how your average gamer is. Unfortunately I had a stint in retail and yes it was electronics (Drr). Your average gamer isn't as thoughtful as you think they are. People bought Kain and lynch like it was golden even though just about every reviewer gave it a mediocre to awful review and score. An awful game with reviews ranging from mediocre to awful sold millions of copies thanks to marketing and advertising. 

 

In any case, it seems we disagree and thats fine. Not everyone can agree on everything. 

  mmoguy43

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4/17/13 11:08:15 PM#57
Sorry, I should have said SWTOR is limited in what there is to do instead of leaving it implying that it is limited in content (I know it isn't).

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

  Netspook

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4/17/13 11:09:15 PM#58
Originally posted by Damedius

You mean the same IGN that gave Bioshock Infinite a 9.5/10?

I'll take whatever they have to say with a grain of salt.

My time played for Bioshock Infinite is 5 hours.

My time played for Defiance is 120+ hours.

 

Really?

Considering that BSI is currently the highest rated game on metacritics, both by metascore and user score, this opinion of yours means nothing at all. You're obviously the odd man out, not IGN.

Haven't played this game yet, and I can't decide if I'm gonna buy it or not. Seems fun, but IGN's review, like some others I've read, gives the impression that this game is fun for only a few hours. Think I'll just wait and see how user ratings are after a couple of weeks.

  Asheram

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What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;)

4/17/13 11:11:35 PM#59
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by aligada87
Originally posted by mmoguy43
That is a bit low. I'd think they would give it a 6.4 or close. But I agree, that in the first 10-20 hours of play it is worse in quality compared to games like Global Agenda(8.4) or APB (7.6). Also, in limited time frames, it makes sense that MMORPGs like SWTOR can recieve an 9+ before realising how limited the game is.

ya but even then swtor as bad as it is now there is still more contents to play with compared to defiance.

Swtor is mmo, Defiance is not.

As for the score vs Global Agenda and APB actually I think that was very unjustified. I've played all 3 gamed (APB and Global Agenda to a high level) and I don't feel either of them is better than Defiance in anyway (definitely NOT APB - APB is horrid compare to Defiance).

Global Agenda is just as one dimensional as Defiance, and the arts are worse imo (because it is too fanciful, whereas Defiance is more realism). APB's artwork is better than both but it's gameplay is totally woeful and the game systems itself are wayyyy too prone to exploit. Also with APB there is nothing to do if there is no opposition, which is a BIG problem that neither Defiance or GA has.

Global Agenda was even worse at launch as everything was instanced and you needed a group to do any of its content, it was a long time til it even got an open world to play in.

  nationalcity

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4/17/13 11:15:59 PM#60
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by VastoHorde

Looks like we got our review and honestly I think its a good review. If you people continue to support these poor excuses for mmos then thats all we are going to get.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/defiance-review-pc

This poor excuse for an MMO has already given me more entertainment and enjoyment than the following MMOs combined... 

 

SWTOR - IGN gave them a 9.6 and of course the game was a massive flop

AoC - IGN gave it a 7.9 and of course the game was a massive flop

Aion - IGN gave it an 8.5 and of course the game was a massive flop

Fallen Earth - IGN gave it an 8.1 and of course the game was a massive flop

 

I'll gladly continue to support a poor excuse for an MMO that I enjoy rather than the "True" MMOs out there that I find boring as hell. 

 

Currently I play APB, Rift, GW2, Defiance and PS2. There are some games like WoW and EVE that simply aren't my cup of tea but most like TERA and FFXIV simply aren't worth my time. 

 

 

 

I think my definition of massive flop and yours are completely different......

 

I betcha 3 outta them 4 games you listed have bigger sub numbers then defiance lol......

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