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  simplius

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4/17/13 9:17:30 AM#41

scarlet blade even has a PVP map with 80vs 80 players

how many PVPers can BW fit into a map now? half of that?

still far away from the promised huge battles in ilum

  ktanner3

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4/17/13 10:41:30 AM#42
Originally posted by simplius

scarlet blade even has a PVP map with 80vs 80 players

 

Now if only they can entice that many to come play the game. 

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  simplius

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4/17/13 1:07:49 PM#43
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by simplius

scarlet blade even has a PVP map with 80vs 80 players

 

Now if only they can entice that many to come play the game. 

its actually working as a time sink

the last two times i couldnt get in , because there were higher ranked players, than me

and, despite, the game max at level 29, theres only content for about 21 levels

i havent even logged in today

i still dont regret the time and 20 bucks i spent, it was fun

after downloading a FREE client of whopping 1.9 gigs, i adjusted my expectations to that

and theyre not blocking a huge  IP with this one,,big difference

and with  3 servers, they need only around 500 players worldwide to fill those zones,,that shouldnt be an issue

i bet BW staff spend more money on their lunch, than aeria put in this game

so the profitability should be fine too

  simplius

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4/17/13 1:32:49 PM#44

do you remember the crispy performance of the 35 GIG pre launch client?

max level was at 20 , but still the client was almost twice as big , as the one at launch

and we could choose voices on our first characters too

then launch day,,BAM,,the client is reduced to 21 gigs, and performance drops

  Sevenstar61

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4/17/13 4:14:29 PM#45
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

sure,,but explain ,how i could play 3 days of scarlet blade, without seeing one?

not a single DC or game freeze, like swtor does

yea, that discount boob simulator has a better client, than swtor

and if it was my network , or my rig,,then it would be for all mmos,,not only swtor

GW2 doesnt have those problems either

 

Hmmm even if you would pay me $1000 I would not touch Scarlet Blade:) I don't care how smooth it is....

And you know what? I play SWTOR every day and have a very smooth play with 60 to 110 fps all the time:) no game freezes, no lags.

 

And comment from Aeria forums: http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1961519 posted yesterday:)

Sure that you don't know there are bugs... you can't find any info about it....

Quote:

<div id="titleToggle" show="" "="" cellspacing="0">

Bug tracker???

Where is Bug Tracker for Scarlet Blade?? shouldn't it be on some visible place ???
I've already recorded a bunch of bugs/glitches/some unfinished crap. Where to report it >?!
What were closed beta testers doing? Game now in state on Beta & there is not "Report Bug" button ingame. ... but there is already active AP store.
This is NOT serious.

Scarlet Blade answer:

It may take time for bugs to get fixed if they are not major. It all depends on LivePlex and the current priorities for the game. The form is still the correct way to report bugs and we appreciate those that help out and report the bugs they find. ^-^

 
 


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  ktanner3

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4/17/13 4:20:09 PM#46
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

 

Hmmm even if you would pay me $1000 I would not touch Scarlet Blade:) I don't care how smooth it is....

And you know what? I play SWTOR every day and have a very smooth play with 60 to 110 fps all the time:) no game freezes, no lags.

 

And comment from Aeria forums: http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1961519 posted yesterday:)

Sure that you don't know there are bugs... you can't find any info about it....

Quote:

<div id="titleToggle" show="" "="" cellspacing="0">

Bug tracker???

Where is Bug Tracker for Scarlet Blade?? shouldn't it be on some visible place ???
I've already recorded a bunch of bugs/glitches/some unfinished crap. Where to report it >?!
What were closed beta testers doing? Game now in state on Beta & there is not "Report Bug" button ingame. ... but there is already active AP store.
This is NOT serious.

 

 

I've never had a freeze or crash in the year and a half I've played TOR. Far as Scarlett Blade goes if I want to see boobs there are plenty of sites for that sort of thing. But thanks for the promotional plug. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  LogicLester

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4/17/13 4:50:56 PM#47
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Bug was fixed...

Did the PvP bug affected me in any way? Nope. Why would I even PvP if there is a new story to go through any many things to do?

 

First off, clearly it does affect you, or at least your need to champion this game.  Otherwise why are you posting in a thread about a bug/horrible game design that is specifically only in pvp when you don't even play that part of the game?

 

And second, it's not fixed.  All they did is make it so it's not plainly obvious how badly designed pvp is in this game to even people just watching a youtube video of it.  The bolster system still gives better stats than you can get via some elements pvp gear.  And apparently always still gives the expertise stat ON TOP of whatever pve stats your gear may have.

 

It doesn't balance gear out of the equation, it just makes optimizing gear a mess.  Use pve gear with bolster?  Use tier pvp gear with empty slots for bolster?  Use completely empty shells with bolster?  Optimal is probably a mix and match of all of the above, and that is a nightmare for both the designers and the players.  It's overly complicated and puts too much pressure on competitive pvpers to do pve and/or removes a chunk of the incentive to pvp in the first place.

 

The removal of expertise from WH/EWH gear opens up a real possibilty they'll scrap the bolster changes though, that grandfathered pvp gear was the only hiccup to doing that easily.  So who knows, maybe instead of wrestling with the horrible new design for months they'll soon go back to the lackluster old design.

 

  Icewhite

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4/17/13 4:55:56 PM#48
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Why do you continue to play a game that you absolutely hate?

Why do we continue to read this site?

Trainwrecks are fascinating to humans.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Fennris

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4/17/13 7:54:28 PM#49

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After some investigation, it appears that this is true, but it is not intended. Although we always want to keep the PvP environment competitive even for players not wearing full PvP sets, Partisan and Conqueror should be performing better in Warzones than their PvE counterparts. We will be deploying a fix for this in 2.0.1 which will be coming out on Tuesday.

 

...
I hope that alleviates some of your concerns with the issue of PvE v PvP gearing and thank you all for your feedback.

-eric

>>

I called it.  At least they're owning the issue, addressing it quickly and trying to fix it which is more than I can say for them about some of their previous efforts with pvp changes.  But still, this update has cost them most of their remaining credibility points with me.  For the first time in over a year I'm looking seriously at other games.  I've backed up SWTOR in the past but there are just too many ill-conceived and sloppy executions - it's like they are trying to get rid of pvpers...

  tiefighter25

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4/18/13 4:03:03 AM#50
Seriously, what's all the PVPer complaining about? 2.0 has brought about a Combat Upgrade which will bring PVPers a New Game Experience.
  tiefighter25

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4/18/13 4:40:50 AM#51

The above was a cheap shot, but was meant to be tounge in cheek.

To be honest though, the biggest change the expansion brings is the chang ein PVP with 2.0

Makeb is a nice addition of content (whether or not a planned on content addition should be altered to paid DLC is another argument.) But it is pretty much more of the same. (Even saying that its fundamentally different because it marks the end of class specific quests is sort of hollow, because they have nevered added class-specific quests since launch.)

 

There is a new level cap, but only 1 new talent, which isn't even at the top of the talent tree; so no real biggie.

 

On the other hand the changes in PVP are quite significant.

Bolster was previewed as a means to make beginers to the Warzones more competative.

Seemed reasonable, the PVP developers are after all from Mythic, and WAR had a decent bolster system.

In WAR, bolster did just as it name implies, it bolstered a charcter's primary stats to make them more competative.

That said, in WAR, this was for much larger ORvR areas and generally larger PVP scenarios, not small warxones.

Also WAR's bolster system was only part of a players stat total. There was also Reknown levels, and the ubiquitos MMORPG gear min/maxing (in combination with crafting).

Bolster bolstered a player, but didn't make him equal.

Back to SWTOR:

The preview of bolster on the PTS was borked and reported as such, but then again, the reports assumed the goal was a bolster, not equalozation.

When 2.0 came out, the goal of bolster had changed from making players competative of each other, to downright equalization. That's a big sea change,

Just as on the PTS, the bolster system was borked, giving birth to the naked PVP bolster.

Bioware (Mythic) has been striving to fix this. (At heart SWTOR is a game about itemization, so running naked simply won't do.)

Still though, the goal is equalization, not competativeness.

Understandably, ToR's PVP community is a bit peeved that their gear grind has been "poof" made useless.

To add insult to injury, PVE gear is now superior to PVP gear, both at 50 and 55.

Level 55 PVP still has the bolster.

Bioware has said they will strive to rebalance it so everyone is equal again.

Again, equal.

There is an easy way to make everyone equal, but that would involve removing gear stats alltogther. (Bad for a geat based game though.)

The question is why make everyone equal?

Is it to encourage PVE players to get into warzones? (Jeff Hickman said the next few updates will be quality of life improvements. If a few is at least 3, and updates take 8 weeks, that's 6 months of no new substatial content.)

Or is it to sell PVP boosters in the cartel shop to an ohterwise equal PVP playerbase?

I don't know. The motives are mysterious with all the failures they have had in the bolster's short life thus far.

On an anthropolgcal standpoint, it is intresting to see the SWTOR forums identify another displeased minority faction within the SWTOR community and bash them mercilessly on the forums telloing them to leave, they won't be missed. (Same as they did with hardcore raiders, people looking for new content, proponents of Opvp, people who didn't want to roll alts, crafters, role players, etc, etc.)

OVer and over: PVP is based on skill now (via a convulted, archaic, over comlex bolster system) rather then gear. (then why have gear at all?)

My guess is Bioware does have metric data on hand that has made it worth their while to gamble losing their PVPers for potential profit with their PVEers somehow. (OR that the overlap makes PVP only people a small population size.)

Again, time will tell if the gamble is worthwhile.

That said, the bolster isn't a bolster, it's an attempt at equaliztion, and it is (as admitted by Bioware) very much broken.

  simplius

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4/18/13 5:20:25 AM#52
Originally posted by tiefighter25
Seriously, what's all the PVPer complaining about? 2.0 has brought about a Combat Upgrade which will bring PVPers a New Game Experience.

exactly,,but apparently, there was still a handfull enjoying the old experience

and once again, a STAR WARS mmo has divided the fans, instead of bringing them together

 

  simplius

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4/18/13 5:40:34 AM#53

yea the hunt for heretics has started,,it aint pretty

and once again, a small group on their forums is allowed to literally wipe the floor with the unbelievers

that has prolly cost swtor more subs , than anything else

polarization is a bad thing

  simplius

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4/19/13 2:57:21 AM#54
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

sure,,but explain ,how i could play 3 days of scarlet blade, without seeing one?

not a single DC or game freeze, like swtor does

yea, that discount boob simulator has a better client, than swtor

and if it was my network , or my rig,,then it would be for all mmos,,not only swtor

GW2 doesnt have those problems either

 

Hmmm even if you would pay me $1000 I would not touch Scarlet Blade:) I don't care how smooth it is....

And you know what? I play SWTOR every day and have a very smooth play with 60 to 110 fps all the time:) no game freezes, no lags.

 

And comment from Aeria forums: http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1961519 posted yesterday:)

Sure that you don't know there are bugs... you can't find any info about it....

Quote:

Bug tracker???

Where is Bug Tracker for Scarlet Blade?? shouldn't it be on some visible place ???
I've already recorded a bunch of bugs/glitches/some unfinished crap. Where to report it >?!
What were closed beta testers doing? Game now in state on Beta & there is not "Report Bug" button ingame. ... but there is already active AP store.
This is NOT serious.

Scarlet Blade answer:

It may take time for bugs to get fixed if they are not major. It all depends on LivePlex and the current priorities for the game. The form is still the correct way to report bugs and we appreciate those that help out and report the bugs they find. ^-^

 
 
 

heres the deal,,if youre a smart kid,,you dont NEED an eraser

like i said, i played 3 days without encountering a SINGLE bug

and im not even going to paste the threads about memory leaks and DC from swtor forums,,BW admitted to them

and your post is from BETA

  simplius

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4/19/13 3:11:27 AM#55
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

 

Hmmm even if you would pay me $1000 I would not touch Scarlet Blade:) I don't care how smooth it is....

And you know what? I play SWTOR every day and have a very smooth play with 60 to 110 fps all the time:) no game freezes, no lags.

 

And comment from Aeria forums: http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1961519 posted yesterday:)

Sure that you don't know there are bugs... you can't find any info about it....

Quote:

Bug tracker???

Where is Bug Tracker for Scarlet Blade?? shouldn't it be on some visible place ???
I've already recorded a bunch of bugs/glitches/some unfinished crap. Where to report it >?!
What were closed beta testers doing? Game now in state on Beta & there is not "Report Bug" button ingame. ... but there is already active AP store.
This is NOT serious.

 

 

I've never had a freeze or crash in the year and a half I've played TOR. Far as Scarlett Blade goes if I want to see boobs there are plenty of sites for that sort of thing. But thanks for the promotional plug. 

oh great,,i just come and play swtor on your computer then

i have a stock asus, pretty new,,6 gigs 3 ghz as i recall, nothing special, and not a bad machine

so swtor should run as good , as the other mmos

but it doesnt

 

  User Deleted
4/19/13 3:58:36 AM#56
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

 

Hmmm even if you would pay me $1000 I would not touch Scarlet Blade:) I don't care how smooth it is....

And you know what? I play SWTOR every day and have a very smooth play with 60 to 110 fps all the time:) no game freezes, no lags.

 

And comment from Aeria forums: http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1961519 posted yesterday:)

Sure that you don't know there are bugs... you can't find any info about it....

Quote:

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Bug tracker???

Where is Bug Tracker for Scarlet Blade?? shouldn't it be on some visible place ???
I've already recorded a bunch of bugs/glitches/some unfinished crap. Where to report it >?!
What were closed beta testers doing? Game now in state on Beta & there is not "Report Bug" button ingame. ... but there is already active AP store.
This is NOT serious.

 

 

I've never had a freeze or crash in the year and a half I've played TOR. Far as Scarlett Blade goes if I want to see boobs there are plenty of sites for that sort of thing. But thanks for the promotional plug. 

So, BW lies when they confirm memory leaks/engine sucks?

For crashes it wasnt too bad, but performance....it performs like crap considering what it offers, cant really have any decent number of characters on screen before choppage starts and restart required every 1-1,5 hours.

Oh yes, i crahsed every time on ilum before they pulled Ilum altogether.

Sorry to dissapoint you but James Ohlen confirmed recently that engine sucks.

I still remember those fanbois from launch that claimed "they get 120+ FPS anwhere anytime" and called anyone pointing at problems troll/hater. Half of the people couldnt even play on Taris due to crashes, Ilum was complete disaster, overall performance was abbysmal even with removed graphic options....yah they fixed some stuff but fundamental flaws still remain:

engine chokes with any decent number of players on screen (or even on same planet, thats why they cap planets)

memory leaks still crap on you if you do anything much more than stand on fleet

performance is still bad especially compared to other MMOs with much better graphics

  Sasami

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Joined: 2/20/08
Posts: 330

4/19/13 4:13:36 AM#57

OMG a MMO update that has bugs, first time history of Mankind!

Seriously move on people.

  ktanner3

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Joined: 3/19/06
Posts: 4146

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4/19/13 8:05:20 AM#58
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

 

Hmmm even if you would pay me $1000 I would not touch Scarlet Blade:) I don't care how smooth it is....

And you know what? I play SWTOR every day and have a very smooth play with 60 to 110 fps all the time:) no game freezes, no lags.

 

And comment from Aeria forums: http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1961519 posted yesterday:)

Sure that you don't know there are bugs... you can't find any info about it....

Quote:

Bug tracker???

Where is Bug Tracker for Scarlet Blade?? shouldn't it be on some visible place ???
I've already recorded a bunch of bugs/glitches/some unfinished crap. Where to report it >?!
What were closed beta testers doing? Game now in state on Beta & there is not "Report Bug" button ingame. ... but there is already active AP store.
This is NOT serious.

 

 

I've never had a freeze or crash in the year and a half I've played TOR. Far as Scarlett Blade goes if I want to see boobs there are plenty of sites for that sort of thing. But thanks for the promotional plug. 

oh great,,i just come and play swtor on your computer then

i have a stock asus, pretty new,,6 gigs 3 ghz as i recall, nothing special, and not a bad machine

so swtor should run as good , as the other mmos

but it doesnt

 

No need to get defensive.No one said the game runs perfect for everyone.As long as MMOs run on personal PCs NO GAME will run perfect for everyone. We're just adding our own experience from two people who still play the game. Sorry that we can't  hate with the same gusto as you but well, our experience with the game is different and we enjoy it. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  simplius

Novice Member

Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

4/19/13 12:23:51 PM#59

well , at least i get a vote now,,thank you

i can accept, that youre a happy customer, is it really that hard for you to accept me being the opposite?

imagine this: youre at a good restaurant, enjoying your food

suddenly a guy behind you say "waiter, theres a hair in my food"

do you get involved in that too? if you dont know , whats really going on?

no,,most people would ,,discreetly, look for hair in thir OWN food

and if other people start finding hairs too,, then the restaurant isnt as good, as you thought

  BlueTiger33

Novice Member

Joined: 2/25/13
Posts: 169

4/19/13 12:29:17 PM#60
Originally posted by versulas

Covert energy armor that makes it look like you're not wearing anything but the default underwear (I'm pretty sure this is what they had on, not unequipped gear) is pretty old news and bikini armor has been in the game since day 1.

I'm more concerned that Bioware thought it was a good idea to stick the lvl 30ish scrubs against lvl 50+ players, knowing full well that those players have been level capped for months and are decked out in full pvp gear to compliment their experience. No matter what changes they made to the bolstering system new players are going to get rolled in the new bracket.

 

Actually with the tweaks to the bolstering system the guys in full 50 pvp gear are the ones getting "rolled." :)


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