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Camelot Unchained

Camelot Unchained 

General Discussion  » Archage is the reason I trust CU can deliver on it's promises.

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4/17/13 12:41:23 PM#21
Originally posted by Voiidiin
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by thecapitaine

I can't recall ever hearing of a dev say that they can't do A,B, or C in designing their game unless it was due to a technical challenge. 

I've heard several say "we can't do housing" "we can't do a noninstanced world" "we can't do real time combat" "we can't do open dungeons" when games like Darkfall, Vanguard, AA, prove that it is entirely possible, even with tiny tiny studios.

Sorry but the "open world" of Vanguard at release was abyssmal. While i enjoy playing Vanguard a few hours a week now, back at release it was just flatout terrible, and the closer you got to one of those non-instanced dungeons the worse it got.

Vanguard has a surprisong amount of good ideas for a PvE world, i am just not sure if those will transfer over to a RvR only world very well. 

Darkfall was interesting, but i am not a fan of FPS/Melee combat, and well AA is not released in the west and as i stated above its being handled by Trion who i have lost faith in.

I had absolutely zero issues at release. There was a half a second skip when crossing some server lines, but that's about it. Seamless when entering dungeons.


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4/17/13 12:41:24 PM#22

It is spelled "Archeage" not "Archage"



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4/17/13 12:48:00 PM#23

I'm going to have to agree with the OP. ArcheAge is definitely a AAA MMO, at least, the Korean version. The OP never said the westernized version would live up to those standards. All he is saying is that the original Korean version, pretty much blows current NA and European MMO's out of the water in terms of content and gameplay.

The problem with American or even European MMO companies most of the time is, it's designed or at the very least governed by people who don't give a rats behind about the player or gaming community. They just make crap themepark after crap themepark, trying to find their WoW diamond in the rough.

Camelot Unchained isn't a guaranteed AAA MMO, but it is an MMO that is going to be different than the same regurgitated crap we've had thrown at us over the last 3-5 years. Sure, GW2 tried to be different, but unfortunately, their designs weren't exactly beneficial. Maybe it's just me, but I don't care for the non-trinity system myself. As for SWTOR, sure, VO at every step of the journey can help with story immersion, but holy crap, no company can afford to do that, which is why their first expansion has no class specific story quests anymore.

Game companies are trying, but sometimes, they hit and miss. I personally loved DAoC, except for ToA expansion, but DAoC was definitely one of my all time favorite MMO's. Depending on reviews, I may even give TESO a try to see if it will tide me over until CU comes out, simply due to the similarities to DAoC.

Long story short, PvE is not the future and for me to say that as a diehard EQ fan is extremely difficult. MMO's need to focus on PvP or RvR and then add PvE if they want. This of course is just my opinion. I just don't see any PvE focused game doing it better than EQ, EQ2, WoW or LOTRO. PvE market has so many great titles, so trying to get a piece of that pie while it's still flooded is just beating the dead horse up a very steep hill.


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4/17/13 12:48:51 PM#24

I am definitely looking forward to ArcheAge as it is much closer to MMORPGs I like than other MMOs in the market.

However, saying that AA pulled it off is a premature statement, in my opinion. It does have plenty of features and I appreciate quite many of them, but can we already say that the game is successful? Furthermore, can we say it will be successful in the west?

Despite the fact that I do not want it to fail, it is still a possibility to consider.

On the other hand, I somewhat get your message, so dont take my post as an expression of pure disagreement.

Waiting for L2 EU Classic


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4/17/13 12:54:16 PM#25

it's like saying Trion is the reason that i trust Blizzard in bringing more frequent game updates... lol

we have seen so much of archeage and so little of camelot unchained.

I doubt camelot unchained can even remotely reach the quality of archeage, even in the very narrow aspect of an mmorpg they are limiting the game on ( pvp) .




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4/17/13 1:02:41 PM#26
Originally posted by Tierless

A few comments have doubted the ability to produce what CU is proposing. The reality is the current MMO crop has done so much to prevent evolution, and the games they pout out are so sub par we have lost sight of what a NEW mmo could be. Look at the other games in other genres. Look at the tech and design that they implement then look back to a MMO like TOR. It's obvious that more could be done to bring MMOs up to date with other games.

Then look at all of the features Archage has. All of the western MMOs should bow in shame. Archage has implemented so many of the things the Western devs claim they can't do it's laughable. The difference between can't and can't get permission from the execs is obvious.

Take everything Archage pulled of, apply it to a MMO that will start now and come out in 2 years, a newer cleaner Western Archage and suddenly the things MJ has talked about don't seem so impossible. Just because others have chosen not to try to evolve the genre, doesn't mean the genre is incapable of evolving. Oh, and don't forget, since CU doesn't have PVE leveling they will have far more time to make the RVR better than we've seen before.

No the reason why most Western Devs, or Devs in particular will not do some of those systems that AA is attempting is that the vast majority of those systems are nothing more then fluff and have no bearing in the grand scheme of things.  Not only are those systems fluff but they are time consuming fluff.  Why concentrate so mcuh resources on systmes that so few people will do when you can devote all your resources on things like combat, questing, progression and group content.....those things that everyone care for.  Leave the fluff for other stuff, but give me an MMO with the all the filling.  Meat and Potatoes!



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4/17/13 1:05:42 PM#27
Originally posted by KaiserPhoenix

it's like saying Trion is the reason that i trust Blizzard in bringing more frequent game updates... lol

we have seen so much of archeage and so little of camelot unchained.

I doubt camelot unchained can even remotely reach the quality of archeage, even in the very narrow aspect of an mmorpg they are limiting the game on ( pvp) .



So is Archeage the new hypewagon, do you have to jump up on it like GW2 was or is it still optional like Wildstar? I honestly can't say i kept up with that game, i just assumed it will be the same kind of badly imported korean grinder thrash.

Does it already get 95% ratings at gaming sites, or are the financial transactions still tbd?


Sorry, i didn't see that Trion is in charge of the EU version, gg and spit out the puke that just came up.



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OP  4/17/13 1:12:48 PM#28

Originally posted by coretex666
I am definitely looking forward to ArcheAge as it is much closer to MMORPGs I like than other MMOs in the market.

However, saying that AA pulled it off is a premature statement, in my opinion. It does have plenty of features and I appreciate quite many of them, but can we already say that the game is successful? Furthermore, can we say it will be successful in the west?

Despite the fact that I do not want it to fail, it is still a possibility to consider.

On the other hand, I somewhat get your message, so dont take my post as an expression of pure disagreement.

Thank you sir. I agree with you. It's just nice to see a company going for something more for the whole rather than focusing on removing content so they can add stuff like personal stories that we all skip through. If I wanted a personal story I'd play an RPG. I play MMOs because they are MASSIVE and MULTIPLAYER. The westren MMO focus has been on turning the MMO into a single player game where you occasionally meet other players. Destiny is the epitome of what is wrong with the current MMO, but at least it has the decency to not even try calling itself an MMO.

This post was meant to be less about AA and more about how them puling off some things we haben't seen in a long time or things that we were told weren't doable gives me hope that CU can do the same. I apologize for not being clearer on my connection.



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4/17/13 1:45:23 PM#29

Ok so when this game funds. And it will.


What are the trolls going to come to this forum and post? Well.. that's what i am about to tell you.  The trolls can use this as a reference so that they don't need to post, i'll sum it all up for them.


A. Mark Jacobs sucks at making games

B. Vaporware

C. It doesn't have any PVE,  nobody will buy it but "gankers"

D.  The studio is small, no good games come from small studios see ; Darkfall

E. It's subscription based

F. The graphics suck

G. Not playing because when i die everyone will see my death spam and think i suck at the game (you do)

H. No instances

I. You mean i have to talk to people and form a group to RVR?


K. If i only have 30 minutes to play, why can't i just join a Battleground for some quick fighting? (Because it seperates population and adds a barrier between you and your realm)

L. LAWLZ YOU guyz pledged 2+ Million dollarz and don't even have a game play video

Fee free to add more....

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