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  cronius77

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4/17/13 1:59:47 AM#61
i still play skyrim regularly and have moded it for many enjoyable hours , I just watched the video all 19 minutes of it and it looked almost as good as skyrim to me . Played just like skyrim from the looks of it combat wise and had a decent character creater just like skyrim. Im not sure of the hate with this video? It looks like a decent game IMO and much better than some of the other more recent titles that released. I dont know about end game and there is a nda on beta so the jury is still out on late game but the video didnt do any injustice to the game imo.
  shalissar

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4/17/13 2:09:00 AM#62
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by BrownAle

I agree the video is made with the purpose of trashing the game.  With that said, LOTS of people are going to hate this game. Its a mmorpg and its going to play like one...like every other mmorpg that is out there.

Er, no. It doesn't play "like every other MMORPG" it plays like a generic, watered down phoned in WoW clone.

Back in the earlier interviews, Matt had some good ideas. The DAoC styled RvR, the public dungeons, the focus on socializing. Then the publishers got their hooks into him. Now it's just a generic WoW clone. And with all the money behind it, they should be absolutely ashamed they shat out such an uninspired piece of garbage.

Sorry I kind of skipped through it, so I am genuinely curious as to what tipped you off that these good ideas were not implemented into the game since my understanding was that this was the first few minutes of it?

  crasset15

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4/17/13 3:56:41 AM#63
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Heretique
Originally posted by robrose89
why do people always forget that beta is beta? Can't judge the whole game's content over a 20 minute video from beta...

Game will be released this year, what you see in beta is most of what you'll see at launch. Can't use this excuse all the time.

Maybe you don't alpha/beta test or maybe you just "test" to do dungeon runs before launch, but what you say is not true at all.

Most games optimize graphics, implement changes, and polish systems up until freeze a couple weeks before launch.  Even then they're still testing the post release patch past that.

Here's what can change from beta to launch: bugfixes, polish, optimisation, minor changes to how certain background systems operate (change skill cooldowns, jump height, swim speed and whatnot). What most people are referring to, is that the whole package will be more or less the same, with some minor changes, but not anything that completely changes aspects of the game.

Here's what will not change from beta to launch: The gameplay, the combat, the overall feel of the environments, the skills. If a game plays like a generic MMO at beta, it will play like a generic MMO at launch. Period.

  Alminie

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4/17/13 4:08:50 AM#64
Originally posted by Heretique
Originally posted by robrose89
why do people always forget that beta is beta? Can't judge the whole game's content over a 20 minute video from beta...

Game will be released this year, what you see in beta is most of what you'll see at launch. Can't use this excuse all the time.

I know someone that went and played at pax, the devs told them they are playing an old build of the game. so nope it will be different then what you saw in the video.

  AdamTM

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4/17/13 7:30:47 AM#65

Its the same shit every time.

  • Gameplay gets posted.
  • People see its a slightly different WoW.
  • Some people point it out.
  • Other People defend it for being beta.
  • Game comes out.
  • Game is functionally exactly what was shown in gameplay.
  • People recoil in horror and act like some huge betrayal took place.
  • People say they will never fall for this shit again.
  • Next week another gameplay video of another MMO comes out.
  • People see its a slightly different WoW.
  • Some people point it out.
  • ad nauseum
 

  BrownAle

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4/17/13 11:50:35 AM#66
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by robrose89
why do people always forget that beta is beta?

A beta hasn't meant a "beta" for a good 5 years now. Not in AAA MMORPGs. Nothing changes from the time beta testing starts until now. Nothing to make it less generic.

Indy studios still have betas.  Real betas.  People trash them for having buggy unfinished games though. 

I can think of a few games that had real betas, where stuff actually got changed.  Wasnt pretty and people who seem tolerant of indy studios leave because they dont realize how long significant changes take.

I like the current marketing hype betas, old shcool betas sucked, launches were nightmares even compared to todays "fail launch because i got disconnected" standard for a fail launch.

 

Dont think anyone is fooled by "well combat will improve because its beta"  no...combat is a major system that would take ages to change...combat will remain the same.

What will change between beta and now is server capacity, easy to fix bugs, easy to fix glitches, and giving them a work schedule for the nest 6 months for medium sized issues that will get fixed long after launch.

 

Remember they have to start developing new content as well as fixing the gripes fromt he community, more issues means leass content development means your not getting major content anytime soon if they choose to fix major systems for the community...a community who still will complain after the fixes anyway.

  mari3k

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4/17/13 11:54:25 AM#67

This game looks awesome !!

If you expected some sandbox open world crap, then go play this indie games like darkfail...

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  ChuChuTrick

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4/17/13 11:57:31 AM#68
I thought zenimax mentioned that the starter zone would be borderline ridiculus easy and quite possibly generic? had it be 20 minutes of leaked footage outside the starter zone...I might be a bit more concerned.
  DavisFlight

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4/17/13 11:58:14 AM#69
Originally posted by shalissar
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by BrownAle

I agree the video is made with the purpose of trashing the game.  With that said, LOTS of people are going to hate this game. Its a mmorpg and its going to play like one...like every other mmorpg that is out there.

Er, no. It doesn't play "like every other MMORPG" it plays like a generic, watered down phoned in WoW clone.

Back in the earlier interviews, Matt had some good ideas. The DAoC styled RvR, the public dungeons, the focus on socializing. Then the publishers got their hooks into him. Now it's just a generic WoW clone. And with all the money behind it, they should be absolutely ashamed they shat out such an uninspired piece of garbage.

Sorry I kind of skipped through it, so I am genuinely curious as to what tipped you off that these good ideas were not implemented into the game since my understanding was that this was the first few minutes of it?

The "megaserver" kills any real chance at meaningful RvR. It also breaks the game world into a ton of instances, splitting friends up and making the world feel artificial. They also let you go to the other realm at level 50, which is moronic on so many levels.

And, all the focus is on phasing and instancing, there hasn't been a mention of the value of public dungeons in a year, so if they are even still in the game, they're not the focus anymore. You cannot have functioning public dungeons in a game loaded with instances.

  Sideras

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4/17/13 11:59:52 AM#70
Originally posted by Heretique
Originally posted by robrose89
why do people always forget that beta is beta? Can't judge the whole game's content over a 20 minute video from beta...

Game will be released this year, what you see in beta is most of what you'll see at launch. Can't use this excuse all the time.

That's major bullshit, the test client does not represent the full game. You don't put out a massive client just to test specific things. Or do you happend to know what their focus tests are focusing on? Exactly.

The beta client is nowhere near the full game, every beta can look like shit and a week before release the update everything from graphics to animation to sound assest to fonts etc.

Unless you have proof of how they are working, I suggest you wait before making your judement.

  ShakyMo

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4/17/13 12:00:45 PM#71
While combat itself won't change during beta

Combat sounds and animations usually get improved.

This can remove the "no weight" problem.

It's quite common to have floaty combat during early beta as the satisfying impact animations and sounds aren't in or are just simple place holders.
  Distopia

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4/17/13 12:04:39 PM#72
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by BrownAle

I agree the video is made with the purpose of trashing the game.  With that said, LOTS of people are going to hate this game. Its a mmorpg and its going to play like one...like every other mmorpg that is out there.

Er, no. It doesn't play "like every other MMORPG" it plays like a generic, watered down phoned in WoW clone.

Back in the earlier interviews, Matt had some good ideas. The DAoC styled RvR, the public dungeons, the focus on socializing. Then the publishers got their hooks into him. Now it's just a generic WoW clone. And with all the money behind it, they should be absolutely ashamed they shat out such an uninspired piece of garbage.

Maybe you can explain this then because I've seen it said so many times without much explanation. What makes it a generic WOW clone? The few quests we saw? I ask because what is explained in my recent Gameinformer sounds nothing like WOW.

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  DavisFlight

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4/17/13 12:06:00 PM#73
Originally posted by ShakyMo
While combat itself won't change during beta

Combat sounds and animations usually get improved.

This can remove the "no weight" problem.

It's quite common to have floaty combat during early beta as the satisfying impact animations and sounds aren't in or are just simple place holders.

No way. A game with a budget this big, they would not be releasing trailers and videos if their animations weren't finished. A game like this pretty much banks on graphics because it has no meaningful gameplay.

  DavisFlight

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4/17/13 12:08:10 PM#74
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by BrownAle

I agree the video is made with the purpose of trashing the game.  With that said, LOTS of people are going to hate this game. Its a mmorpg and its going to play like one...like every other mmorpg that is out there.

Er, no. It doesn't play "like every other MMORPG" it plays like a generic, watered down phoned in WoW clone.

Back in the earlier interviews, Matt had some good ideas. The DAoC styled RvR, the public dungeons, the focus on socializing. Then the publishers got their hooks into him. Now it's just a generic WoW clone. And with all the money behind it, they should be absolutely ashamed they shat out such an uninspired piece of garbage.

Maybe you can explain this then because I've seen it said so many times without much explanation. What makes it a generic WOW clone? The few quests we saw? I ask because what is explained in my recent Gameinformer sounds nothing like WOW.

Linear quest based leveling, heavily phased and instanced world, easy mode collect 5 whatever quests, the whole design stinks of WoW.

Now if they had actually gone and made DAoC 2, they might have at least had a good MMO. Now they have a half assed singleplayer game and a half assed MMO.

  ZedTheRock

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4/17/13 12:17:16 PM#75
Originally posted by timtrack
An MMO that plays and looks like an MMO?!?!? OUTRAGEOUS!

 

 

SUP

  ZedTheRock

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4/17/13 12:25:16 PM#76
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by BrownAle

I agree the video is made with the purpose of trashing the game.  With that said, LOTS of people are going to hate this game. Its a mmorpg and its going to play like one...like every other mmorpg that is out there.

Er, no. It doesn't play "like every other MMORPG" it plays like a generic, watered down phoned in WoW clone.

Back in the earlier interviews, Matt had some good ideas. The DAoC styled RvR, the public dungeons, the focus on socializing. Then the publishers got their hooks into him. Now it's just a generic WoW clone. And with all the money behind it, they should be absolutely ashamed they shat out such an uninspired piece of garbage.

Maybe you can explain this then because I've seen it said so many times without much explanation. What makes it a generic WOW clone? The few quests we saw? I ask because what is explained in my recent Gameinformer sounds nothing like WOW.

Linear quest based leveling, heavily phased and instanced world, easy mode collect 5 whatever quests, the whole design stinks of WoW.

Now if they had actually gone and made DAoC 2, they might have at least had a good MMO. Now they have a half assed singleplayer game and a half assed MMO.

Just curious, you were able to determine how the questing is from a 20 minute (biased) leaked video of a level 1 character who only started 2 newbie quests.  One was to save 3 people and another to turn in Dwarven Relics, which he failed to do any of those quests, he also failed to successfully kill any red-conned (insta agro or hostile) mob and through this you were able to determine the whole entire quest system is linear and is similar to WoW?

 

Or is possible you have a preconcieved notion that the game is bad and your posts are to bash something you have no interests in playing?

SUP

  Eir_S

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4/17/13 12:52:12 PM#77
Originally posted by Galadourn
ESO is doomed; was so right from the first announcement back in May 2003, when everyone shot it down in dismay..then they went radio silent, people thought they would rework some things...and now we get the recent leaks. There's nothing to expect fom ESO at this point, except perhaps going F2P.

It'll be like most recent MMOs I think, it'll release to fanfare and cheers, etc., sell a million copies or more and then slow down.  Well, if they're lucky anyway.  But it won't be some WoW killer everyone keeps waiting for.  Hopefully for Zenimax though, it does something way different or way better than WoW or GW2 currently does or there are already alternatives to ESO that you've already paid for and have installed.

  Distopia

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4/17/13 12:52:28 PM#78
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Distopia

Maybe you can explain this then because I've seen it said so many times without much explanation. What makes it a generic WOW clone? The few quests we saw? I ask because what is explained in my recent Gameinformer sounds nothing like WOW.

Linear quest based leveling, heavily phased and instanced world, easy mode collect 5 whatever quests, the whole design stinks of WoW.

Now if they had actually gone and made DAoC 2, they might have at least had a good MMO. Now they have a half assed singleplayer game and a half assed MMO.

The only thing I'm really interested in this game for is exploration and the questing. So I can't count that aspect as a negative. Phasing is the downside of offering meaningful choices in a quest system, that's something I'm willing to deal with for the benefit it brings.

Every questing system is going to have lame fetch quests used as filler, hell, TES is full of them they have a whole guild that revolves around it; this doesn't make a game like WOW IMO... I've read a lot of previews thus far detailing some very interesting questing methods used in TESO.

As for the game being like WOW, what you're really trying to say is it's like an RPG.

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  ShakyMo

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4/17/13 12:56:31 PM#79
Read the rock paper shotgun and eurogamer previews.

It plays exactly like wow. You cant just wander off and find stuff to do like tes (or indeed daoc), it features led by the nose questing.
  SavageHorizon

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4/17/13 12:58:45 PM#80
Originally posted by keithian
I continue to be suspicious of the intent of the leaked video and equally suspicious of threads like this which for all I know is the person who released it.

 

I bet you said the same thing about swtor.

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