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  Yaevindusk

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4/16/13 1:30:50 AM#21

 

I would say yes if not for some pressing concerns:

  • Some accounts and players get banned because they were hacked, and their hackers may have participated in RMT or used that account to cheat to get more money and items.
  • There will likely be cases where it's a case of mistaken identity if one person has a similar name to others
  • There will be cases where they accidentally ban someone and it wasn't warranted; what if someone was big in game, was then publically shunned, and a month later they figure out an error with a system, a vindictive employee, or just a mistake in general?  Will they go on the front page and publically announce their error and proclaim someone innocent?  Will it even matter after all that time as the person was shamed and his friends laugh at him?
  • They could put accepting this as part of their terms of service, but what if someone uses their real name (or they used someone elses name, and intentially cheat)?  If it causes undue stress in real life, no ToS will save them from a potential law suit in terms of grief, and if it was from a mistake they could be in some serious trouble (not to mention that public shame in itself is due cause for grief).
  • It could ruin entire communities within the game, and cause a mass exodus of players who were originally innocent but who don't want to deal with drama by association.

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  GreenHell

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4/16/13 1:37:01 AM#22
Originally posted by Aelious

I see your point but in a game like DF:UW the in game community would be close enough to know who's who.  Aion was the same way as battles and personalities were very personal.  To those on this site that are outside the game it would mean little but to the game's community it would have a great impact.

Maybe you are right and somehow it would have an impact in DF. I dont play it so I have no idea.  Ill just have to take your word for it.

  benseine

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4/16/13 1:48:16 AM#23
Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 

I would say yes if not for some pressing concerns:

  • Some accounts and players get banned because they were hacked, and their hackers may have participated in RMT or used that account to cheat to get more money and items.
  • There will likely be cases where it's a case of mistaken identity if one person has a similar name to others
  • There will be cases where they accidentally ban someone and it wasn't warranted; what if someone was big in game, was then publically shunned, and a month later they figure out an error with a system, a vindictive employee, or just a mistake in general?  Will they go on the front page and publically announce their error and proclaim someone innocent?  Will it even matter after all that time as the person was shamed and his friends laugh at him?
  • They could put accepting this as part of their terms of service, but what if someone uses their real name (or they used someone elses name, and intentially cheat)?  If it causes undue stress in real life, no ToS will save them from a potential law suit in terms of grief, and if it was from a mistake they could be in some serious trouble (not to mention that public shame in itself is due cause for grief).
  • It could ruin entire communities within the game, and cause a mass exodus of players who were originally innocent but who don't want to deal with drama by association.

- Can be proven by looking at IP adress from where account was accesed. Who will play DF from their vacation resort at the Philipines???

- That might be when ppl report  cheating. But ppl get banned for cheating cause of data on the server, not solely on fingerpointing.

- accidently banned the wrong person by looking at the data of the right person??? unlikely, why ban at all then?

- If someone used a char named BenseIne while my char name in Benseine then that might be annoying. agreed. But no wall of shame is needed for that. Ppl can do it now, buddy makes the SS and posts it on forums. Same thing.

- ruin entire communities? doesn't that usually happen in botinfested games with shitloads of cheaters? Cause of cheating? 

  Wickedjelly

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4/16/13 1:49:08 AM#24

1. Isn't going to stop anyone

2. Should be hilarious for the person playing a different mmo that may use the same name to possibly get flamed by some ignoramus for what happened in a different mmo they never played

3. I'm sure if someone gets their account stolen and their character gets banned they'll be thrilled if this is done

4. Just damn fucking pointless really

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Axehilt

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4/16/13 2:12:50 AM#25

No.

Silent bans and focusing on improving community will create a superior community to a game which makes cheaters famous by calling them out.

(Actually this is identical sentiment to what I said earlier today regarding the Boston explosion that killed two people: if society focused more on the heroes than the villains, we'd have more heroes and fewer villains.)

  Reizla

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4/16/13 2:22:13 AM#26
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Should game developers shame banned players by publicly posting their names?

HELL YES!

I've been reporting cheaters in Lineage II (during subscription times) and never had any feedback or reply other than "we'll investigate this and will take appropriate action". How do we (legit players) know if the cheaters are realy punished? By posting their names in the banned list!

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  eyelolled

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4/16/13 2:22:54 AM#27
They did a wall of shame in APB and it had it's merits but I don't think it was as effective as originally hoped.  I would be inclined to think it would be more effective in an mmorpg though where a person is risking a reputation with friends, possibly onto other games as well.

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  SysFail

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4/16/13 2:25:59 AM#28

A big fat yes!

I don't want to play with cheats, cheats can get a new account and name if banned, but their voice from comms will always be known, so i would want to know if i'd been playing with a cheat.

  NL-Rikkert

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4/16/13 2:29:07 AM#29

Kinda pointless really, just IP ban them.

Two (or more) people could have the same gaming name, just in different games, so that could lead to major confusion.

Besides "creating" a new name isn't very difficult now is it?

 

 

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  benseine

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4/16/13 2:47:07 AM#30
Originally posted by NL-Rikkert

Kinda pointless really, just IP ban them.

Two (or more) people could have the same gaming name, just in different games, so that could lead to major confusion.

Besides "creating" a new name isn't very difficult now is it?

 

 

Major? Really? Atleast things are clear about that one guy in that game with the wall of shame... ;)

  rounner

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4/16/13 2:49:55 AM#31
Im suprised so  many think anyone would care
  Rhinotones

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4/16/13 2:57:21 AM#32

What are the positive benefits of naming and shaming someone who has been banned from a game? There are none.

To publicly try to humiliate someone by naming and shaming is just as low an action as the offending banned member.

If someone's abused me then disappears because they're banned I won't even notice. I won't miss them and I don't need to know that they're gone. I certainly don't need to know names of people banned whom I've never spoken to or come in contact with either. It makes no sense to me.

They're gone, who cares!

  Consequence

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4/16/13 3:06:44 AM#33
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Originally posted by Xthos

I would just like it if they actually got rid of people that cheated, too often it seems like they do not want to lose the money from the individual and do nothing, atleast until they do something over the top.

 

Nothing kills my interest in a game, like people cheating/hacking and duping all over the place.

 

But should the cheaters be tossed up on a website and publicly shamed?  As of right now I only know of one company that is about to do that to their player base.  If that is good should other companies start doing the same thing?  Could said company get sued out of existance because they are posting banned character names?

No, they could be sued. 

 

The only possible reason you could try to sue would be libel/slander/defamation. But to prove that you need 3 things:

 

1) You have to prove it is YOU they are defaming.  That isnt gonna be easy since they are listing your character name.  Your character being a pixelated avatar with a name that likely in no way reflects your real name. There is no way anyone seeing the name "Butts Astratchin" on a website is going to know who that is IRL.

2) Furthermore, to prove either libel of Slander you have to be able to PROVE  the statement/ post to be false. Think about that. They say you cheated on the website so the burden is on YOU to prove them wrong. How do you prove you did not cheat at a game? iIts hard enough to prove any negative, let alone this 1. How can anyone prove they didnt cheat at a game?

3) You would have to prove that the defamation had actual definable monetary damages. This is specificly stated as part of the law, otherwise everyone could sue everyone else for calling eachother names. MMorpg.com would be a hotbed of lawsuits. "He hurt my feelings" wont cut it in a libel/slander case. The only people I can see who could argue actual monetary damages for having their account taken away are professional streamers.  But, the streamers would have to show a long track record of financial gain from streaming then show how their being banned caused them to lose followers and therfor income. Considering how many "pros" in other games have been banned and have had massive INCREASES in followers because of it, this would also be very hard to show.

 

These 3 criteria are pretty universal accross all legal areas that have defamation laws.

 

 

  Varthander

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4/16/13 3:08:22 AM#34
Why bother? the next time they go back to the game they will be using another name, said that i dont see any sense on that...

  Helleri

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4/16/13 3:33:21 AM#35

I think it's harmful to any game that does it. just because I can't imagine how the logistics of it would work well with out major issues.

 

Think about it for a second. A good number of bannable players are bots...etiher the farming kind or gold selling kind. So either they have a strand name that doesn't make much sense or they have a name that is a phishing website disguised in leet speak.So they are going to post mostly names that don't make sense or ones that expose their players further to possible phishing scams?

 

And, where are they going to put these names? some place in their forums? in a scrolling marque at the top of their page? will they post them in game chat as they happen? Who wants to actually sit there and read that...it's spam. and potentially harmful spam at that.

 

I would say that if they really want to shame a player who they banned, just put a strike through their name and an asterix whereever their name appears on any ranking or forum post.

 

That way if they mattered enough to be decently ranked in a game or aspect of a game...or were big posters on a forum...or otherwise well known or recognised. Their shame will actually be noticed without showing the 1000's of nameless bots that are not even worth mentioning (just banning).

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  User Deleted
4/16/13 3:44:19 AM#36
Originally posted by RandomDown
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Should game developers shame banned players by publicly posting their names?

No. There's no reason for shaming people that make errors in judgement, especially over a video game.  That's ridiculous.

Most cheaters know exactly what they are doing so I would not call it an error in judgement.  However for the shaming part I could imagine someone who has a real error in judgement and uses their real name as their charactor name.  Could that pose a legal issue if said player is shamed?

Quite possibly. That is a very good question. One legal issue that comes to mind is libel. If they ban someone falsely due to misinformation or a misinterpration of the data, they would be at fault.

At this point, I'm not saying whether I'm for or against it, but as far as I understood, they are not posting real names. They are using in-game character names. 

 

So I don't think this would be libelous. There might be other claims for damages of a more commercial/consumer transaction oriented nature if services which were paid for were inappropriately denied. But I'm not getting paid to write a legal brief on it. Maybe a good topic for a law school student paper, though.

  Caldrin

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4/16/13 3:47:30 AM#37
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Should game developers shame banned players by publicly posting their names?

Yes and share them with other MMOs..

 

it would be cool if it was possible to chare acconut details like email but im sure that would brake some laws.

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4/16/13 3:50:00 AM#38
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Should game developers shame banned players by publicly posting their names?

trading card games post the ban lists with players' real names before tournaments all the time.

  benseine

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4/16/13 3:50:40 AM#39
Originally posted by Helleri

I think it's harmful to any game that does it. just because I can't imagine how the logistics of it would work well with out major issues.

 

Think about it for a second. A good number of bannable players are bots...etiher the farming kind or gold selling kind. So either they have a strand name that doesn't make much sense or they have a name that is a phishing website disguised in leet speak.So they are going to post mostly names that don't make sense or ones that expose their players further to possible phishing scams?

 

And, where are they going to put these names? some place in their forums? in a scrolling marque at the top of their page? will they post them in game chat as they happen? Who wants to actually sit there and read that...it's spam. and potentially harmful spam at that.

 

I would say that if they really want to shame a player who they banned, just put a strike through their name and an asterix whereever their name appears on any ranking or forum post.

 

That way if they mattered enough to be decently ranked in a game or aspect of a game...or were big posters on a forum...or otherwise well known or recognised. Their shame will actually be noticed without showing the 1000's of nameless bots that are not even worth mentioning (just banning).

I agree that it is pointess to make a list of all the bots hehe with names like "ajhsdfjauh". But in descent games where bots are kept to a minimum ;) it matters :) And the devs just need to make a seperate website for it. Like AV did here for DF:UW: http://www.unholybanhammer.com/

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4/16/13 4:02:48 AM#40
Originally posted by rounner
Im suprised so  many think anyone would care


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