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  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

4/14/13 6:25:08 PM#61
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

Well you bring up trolls.

 

What is a troll in these forums?  Simply someone that doesn't blindly praise what is given?

 

You won't get any points for accusations of trolling.  Actually it makes you look silly.  Some people just disagree.

 

I'm not against CU, but I have some major concerns regarding the history of MJ, what was said by MJ, and the evolutuion of the CU project.  But by all means continue to call this trolling because I won't accept face-value of whatever is said.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Aerowyn

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/14/13 6:29:00 PM#62
this thread has convinced me to up my pledge.. good job OP:)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  PAL-18

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 740

4/14/13 6:32:26 PM#63
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Foggye

   DAoC you got more powerful, got new abilitlies and community.  Vanilla WoW, you got a shiny set of armor that was made available to everyone near the end, and then totally invalidated.

That is what happens in MMO's. Equipment gets more powerful, along with encounters.

 

If you invalidate WoW's near armor, then you also have to invalidate DAoC's new gear, if the game was successful.. Because that was where it was heading also.

Ironfoe
Binds when picked up
Unique

Main Hand Mace
73 - 136 Damage Speed 2.40

(43.5 damage per second)
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 55
Chance on hit: Grants 2 extra attacks on your next swing.

 Quite devastating weapon on right hands,and no it was not available for everyone,if we think like everybody was using those.There was much more than same  shiny armors ,believe me :)

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  Taldier

Novice Member

Joined: 11/22/10
Posts: 249

4/14/13 6:34:01 PM#64
Originally posted by TheJoda
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

Well you bring up trolls.

 

What is a troll in these forums?  Simply someone that doesn't blindly praise what is given?

 

You won't get any points for accusations of trolling.  Actually it makes you look silly.  Some people just disagree.

 

I'm not against CU, but I have some major concerns regarding the history of MJ, what was said by MJ, and the evolutuion of the CU project.  But by all means continue to call this trolling because I won't accept face-value of whatever is said.

[mod edit] 

There are many people posting on these subforums who have openly stated they arent interested in CU.  People who have outright flamed MJ and said they would never buy a game that he was a part of.

These people continue to post on a subform for CU constantly bad-mouthing in every single thread.

The only concievable purpose of posting in a thread (seperated off in its own section of the forums) for a game that you have no actual interest in is to beat your chest and piss people off.

Posting with the express purpose of annoying others is essentially the definition of trolling.

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

4/14/13 6:36:29 PM#65
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by TheJoda
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

Well you bring up trolls.

 

What is a troll in these forums?  Simply someone that doesn't blindly praise what is given?

 

You won't get any points for accusations of trolling.  Actually it makes you look silly.  Some people just disagree.

 

I'm not against CU, but I have some major concerns regarding the history of MJ, what was said by MJ, and the evolutuion of the CU project.  But by all means continue to call this trolling because I won't accept face-value of whatever is said.

[mod edit]

There are many people posting on these subforums who have openly stated they arent interested in CU.  People who have outright flamed MJ and said they would never buy a game that he was a part of.

These people continue to post on a subform for CU constantly bad-mouthing in every single thread.

The only concievable purpose of posting in a thread (seperated off in its own section of the forums) for a game that you have no actual interest in is to beat your chest and piss people off.

Posting with the express purpose of annoying others is essentially the definition of trolling.

So, you're trying to say I have no interest in CU?  [mod edit]

 

CU isn't without merit, but due criticism is neccessary where warranted.  Points were made earlie.  More info required on CU before "fans" can actually say this is the game for them.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Cinc

Novice Member

Joined: 6/27/08
Posts: 8

4/14/13 6:38:48 PM#66
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

Well you bring up trolls.

 

What is a troll in these forums?  Simply someone that doesn't blindly praise what is given?

 

You won't get any points for accusations of trolling.  Actually it makes you look silly.  Some people just disagree.

 

I'm not against CU, but I have some major concerns regarding the history of MJ, what was said by MJ, and the evolutuion of the CU project.  But by all means continue to call this trolling because I won't accept face-value of whatever is said.

I understand people disagree. But what is a legitmate reason for trying to ward off potential pledges with negativity? People post positive messages and argue against the negative posts because we actually have a vested interest in this idea and kickstarter. If your not pledging fine, good for you. Why would you still troll a board of a game you obviously have no interest in?

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

4/14/13 6:44:06 PM#67
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

Well you bring up trolls.

 

What is a troll in these forums?  Simply someone that doesn't blindly praise what is given?

 

You won't get any points for accusations of trolling.  Actually it makes you look silly.  Some people just disagree.

 

I'm not against CU, but I have some major concerns regarding the history of MJ, what was said by MJ, and the evolutuion of the CU project.  But by all means continue to call this trolling because I won't accept face-value of whatever is said.

I understand people disagree. But what is a legitmate reason for trying to ward off potential pledges with negativity? People post positive messages and argue against the negative posts because we actually have a vested interest in this idea and kickstarter. If your not pledging fine, good for you. Why would you still troll a board of a game you obviously have no interest in?

Thats a good start.

 

But why do you only accept praise and positivety when accepting pledges?  Ask yourself this, because I feel that you simply want the game to succeed regardless or what other potential players think.

 

My "negative" posts were a way to make CU even better, or to get MJ to further explain the game, and / or get a video demonstration out.  I don't feel that was unreasonable for me to broach topics like that or make such requests.

 

CU needs fans to support it, so they have fans already.  But if they want more to want to actually get this game going, a hard-nose approach about "trolling" isn't going to cut it.

 

Suggesting trolling isn't going to cut it.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  bugmeno

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Joined: 12/15/12
Posts: 87

4/14/13 6:58:08 PM#68

I am a little unsure now about this title. Maybe I better cancel my pledge and wait until it is released but I wish them good luck anyway. I am sure it will fund without me.

  TheJoda

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Joined: 8/12/10
Posts: 492

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4/14/13 7:11:41 PM#69
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by TheJoda
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

Well you bring up trolls.

 

What is a troll in these forums?  Simply someone that doesn't blindly praise what is given?

 

You won't get any points for accusations of trolling.  Actually it makes you look silly.  Some people just disagree.

 

I'm not against CU, but I have some major concerns regarding the history of MJ, what was said by MJ, and the evolutuion of the CU project.  But by all means continue to call this trolling because I won't accept face-value of whatever is said.

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...Everyone is entitled to their say, positive or negitive.  Personally Im on the fence on CU, after talking to Mark and getting a feel for his next phase im leaning to back it!

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  Foggye

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4/14/13 7:41:59 PM#70
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Foggye

   DAoC you got more powerful, got new abilitlies and community.  Vanilla WoW, you got a shiny set of armor that was made available to everyone near the end, and then totally invalidated.

That is what happens in MMO's. Equipment gets more powerful, along with encounters.

 

If you invalidate WoW's near armor, then you also have to invalidate DAoC's new gear, if the game was successful.. Because that was where it was heading also.

What I was trying to say was all I really got from Vanilla WoW PvP System was some gear, that got made completely worthless.  Where as DAoC's system, I got a benefits that I got to keep, RAs were worth getting.

  Stiler

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4/15/13 2:57:23 AM#71

I just......I just dont' get some people.

It's like people don't understand the POINT of kickstarter, or crowdfunding in general.

People like the thread starter seem to think this game already "exists" and they can show demos', with full combat, classes, etc.

The ENTIRE point of kickstarter is to raise funds to get a project of the ground so it can......be MADE. Many things on it do not even exist yet, or are in the very very early stages of development.

Pitching idea's, tech demos, and very early things is all many of them have to show.

 

Torment for example had nothing, just INFO, some concept art pieces, etc. They scrapped together a few screens later on in the project because they are using the same tools/engine along with Wasteland, so they had all of that in place prior to the kickstarter.

 

 

  MikeJezZ

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4/15/13 3:50:08 AM#72

As being a PvP player, I feel I have no choice but supporting this game.

 

Too many PvE games out there.

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  Caldrin

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4/15/13 3:57:37 AM#73
Originally posted by taus01

 

...but i can't take it anymore. I have been watching this Kickstarter Campaign for information and news that would excite me and ultimately make me give them my money.

The last 2 Videos, seriously? A video about people sending him ducks, his excitement jumped right out of the screen (/sarcasm).

It almost put me to sleep but what followed was an uninspiring, dredafully long winded video about some conceptual idea about some dungeon with RvR and mines and forge and some other veil stuff , whatever, i spaced out after that. One picture of a logo to back up his great idea. One that showed dick all. I had to switch off the video half way because i just could not take it anymore.

I remember other Projects that got me excited by showing enthusiastic videos of eager developers with cool things all over the place, people in the company getting interviewed, jokes and at least some interesting screenshots and content.

This guy is just doing my head in. I just can't take another video of him unpacking ducks and talking about his great vision. He comes off like a nobhead.

Good luck to the game but i am out.

 

we cant all like the same thing at the end of the day..

 

Myself i love what the guy is saying... it sounds liek he has the perfect MMORPG in mind.. but thats just me..

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  Psycospank

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4/15/13 4:14:07 AM#74

I am on the fence for this one myself, so I do understand the hesitation in backing , I do dig the RvR style of PvP. It was great fun in DAoC, and the concept worked for the most part...but its the the PvE combine with the PvP that appealed to me. 

 

I am feeling that a total PvP environment might be difficult to enjoy all the time I could be wrong and if I hear more about the game and what its going to look like and feel like I may buy in, but at the moment I am swaying toward a more PvE experience...just my two cents worth.

  Mortify

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4/15/13 4:45:22 AM#75
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

Rovio made 51 failed or poor games before "Angry Birds."

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  UOlover

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4/15/13 6:28:13 AM#76
I can understand not liking the game if you're one of these PVE people, that makes some kind of logical sense. But actively campaigning against the game because of ducks or video presentation style. That smacks to me of some other motivation.
  TsaboHavoc

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4/15/13 6:03:49 PM#77
its not about CU or MJ pal its about attitude against the turd pool market, heck i donated only cause MJ speaked agains F2P market.
  skyexile

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4/15/13 6:33:41 PM#78


Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by Kyleran We all learn in different ways, this one just doesn't work well for you. Quite a bit of good info was communicated in the 2nd video, but it was a bit long I'll agree.Long is an understatement. This guy is just boring as hell. At least get someone that does not sound like he is falling asleep any minute or is overdosing on vicodin. I don't know but he does not sound excited about his own project at all. These Videos are awful and you all know it.

  Originally posted by Raunu [mod edit]



You mean like Paul Barnett? ...hehehehe...

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  kadepsyson

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4/15/13 6:37:55 PM#79
Originally posted by CU_now_please

That was done as a thank you to those who sent them, long-winded maybe but not a serious issue.

 

As for the rest, it is a concept of a game he is proposing, not a game already half way built.

 

In 3 years would you rather have a month trying a game you got on the cheap a long time ago, or not?

 

You said not, fair enough.

In three years I'd rather have the ability to make an informed decision about how to spend my money on a product.

 

You said you'd prefer to base your spending habits on whimsy and buzzwords, fair enough.

 

Have fun if the game comes out, whatever year that may be.

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  Danwarr

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4/15/13 7:25:09 PM#80
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by CU_now_please

That was done as a thank you to those who sent them, long-winded maybe but not a serious issue.

 

As for the rest, it is a concept of a game he is proposing, not a game already half way built.

 

In 3 years would you rather have a month trying a game you got on the cheap a long time ago, or not?

 

You said not, fair enough.

In three years I'd rather have the ability to make an informed decision about how to spend my money on a product.

 

You said you'd prefer to base your spending habits on whimsy and buzzwords, fair enough.

 

Have fun if the game comes out, whatever year that may be.

I don't think you understand what Kickstarter is...

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