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  SBFord

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Joined: 6/28/10
Posts: 14024

 
OP  4/14/13 7:19:19 PM#1

In our latest Social Hub column, we take a look at the KickStarter hopeful, Camelot Unchained. The game, at least in these earliest days, seems to be bent on reviving true community spirit in MMOs. See why we think so before heading to the comments.

Going back to DAoC, it was a funny place for a person like me to get a start in MMOs. I’m admittedly not so great at PvP and am more of an explorer, but that game still captivated me personally with all the possibilities. Turns out that I got caught up often in the world, in PvE content and in working together with others. When it came to sieges and trying to maintain or take keeps, I was never on the front lines or anything, but it always felt good to have a sense of collective purpose. Victories could be for a while after decimating a force that came thinking that we had some holes in our armor. It was exciting. It was massive and sometimes chaotic, and everyone was up and down, winning and losing, rebuilding and guarding.

Read more of Christina Gonzalez's The Social Hub: Impossibly Driven By Hope?

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  Dahkoht

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4/15/13 11:06:29 AM#2
While I have my concerns in some regards , the best thing to me is Jacobs repeatedly stating they are shooting for a niche game and audience.
The horribly bland , try and make everyone happy games are terrible in the past few years.
If you aren't into RvR , want to play every faction on the same server , don't like PvP overall etc , they aren't making a game for you.
Nor should they.
I'm hoping a sub fee niche style mmorpg becomes more and more common as I personally prefer this type of idea.
Their are plenty of non sub , try and please everyone bland games out there for those who want that kind of game.
  skerge20

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4/15/13 11:36:38 AM#3
If its anything like DOAC or shadowbane Im in.
  will75

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4/15/13 11:41:02 AM#4

So it sounds like you're saying, the old people need to just go to the retirement home and deal with the way things are now?  While you try to back off that, that's your general tone of this article.

 

Guess what? You kids can get off my lawn and you're not getting your ball back.

SWTOR WoW and GW2's awful copying of DAOC rvr are options for you.

Enjoy them, and blizzard will also have another dumbed down mmo for you soon.
  Thane

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Joined: 8/14/03
Posts: 1944

I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.

4/15/13 11:47:30 AM#5

it's not hope, it's faith.

 

there is a difference :)

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  botrytis

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4/15/13 11:54:58 AM#6
Originally posted by Thane

it's not hope, it's faith.

 

there is a difference :)

It is hope - what has MJ done recently? If he was as good of a developer as people think he is, why hasn't he been involved with other games?

 

 

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  Battlerock

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4/15/13 11:58:30 AM#7
Is this a GW2 killer?
  Betaguy

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4/15/13 12:00:12 PM#8
Originally posted by Dahkoht
While I have my concerns in some regards , the best thing to me is Jacobs repeatedly stating they are shooting for a niche game and audience.
The horribly bland , try and make everyone happy games are terrible in the past few years.
If you aren't into RvR , want to play every faction on the same server , don't like PvP overall etc , they aren't making a game for you.
Nor should they.
I'm hoping a sub fee niche style mmorpg becomes more and more common as I personally prefer this type of idea.
Their are plenty of non sub , try and please everyone bland games out there for those who want that kind of game.

 Here here! QFEx2

  Thane

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Joined: 8/14/03
Posts: 1944

I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.

4/15/13 12:04:09 PM#9
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Thane

it's not hope, it's faith.

 

there is a difference :)

It is hope - what has MJ done recently? If he was as good of a developer as people think he is, why hasn't he been involved with other games?

recently?

 

well for one there was WAR (before the EA "push it" fiasco) which had quite the good ideas.

then there was daoc. 

 

recently enough for someone mid age :)

 

also, he is in a communication process with his fanbase, in this forums, on youtube, in his blog, that's sth not alot of developers did in the past.

 

if it's hope driving the fans, is it despair driving the other side? :)

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  Panther2103

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4/15/13 12:10:14 PM#10
Originally posted by Dahkoht
While I have my concerns in some regards , the best thing to me is Jacobs repeatedly stating they are shooting for a niche game and audience.
The horribly bland , try and make everyone happy games are terrible in the past few years.
If you aren't into RvR , want to play every faction on the same server , don't like PvP overall etc , they aren't making a game for you.
Nor should they.
I'm hoping a sub fee niche style mmorpg becomes more and more common as I personally prefer this type of idea.
Their are plenty of non sub , try and please everyone bland games out there for those who want that kind of game.

There is still a lot of niche sub games as well. The issue being they aren't financially viable for the long run unless the niche is big enough. Look at Mortal Online, very niche, never really had a big following (although a big issue was the fact that they had no idea how to actually develop the game). Shadowbane is another example of a game that had a very niche following and ended up biting the bullet. Darkfall Online is still around but with a very small following. Even DAOC which is still around only had 2k people online at a time back when the herald was still around and showed server activity, which wasn't that long ago.

I just have this feeling, the more they try to cater to certain crowds the less game life it will actually have. Unless the amount of subs somehow cover server, GM, content development, and bug fixing costs I can't see them getting very far in the long run. I'm very hopeful since this is actually the type of game I really would like to play, but there are plenty of people who steer clear on purpose from this type of game. 

  Hjamnr

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Joined: 3/29/13
Posts: 174

4/15/13 12:12:57 PM#11
Originally posted by Panther2103
Originally posted by Dahkoht
While I have my concerns in some regards , the best thing to me is Jacobs repeatedly stating they are shooting for a niche game and audience.
The horribly bland , try and make everyone happy games are terrible in the past few years.
If you aren't into RvR , want to play every faction on the same server , don't like PvP overall etc , they aren't making a game for you.
Nor should they.
I'm hoping a sub fee niche style mmorpg becomes more and more common as I personally prefer this type of idea.
Their are plenty of non sub , try and please everyone bland games out there for those who want that kind of game.

There is still a lot of niche sub games as well. The issue being they aren't financially viable for the long run unless the niche is big enough. Look at Mortal Online, very niche, never really had a big following (although a big issue was the fact that they had no idea how to actually develop the game). Shadowbane is another example of a game that had a very niche following and ended up biting the bullet. Darkfall Online is still around but with a very small following. Even DAOC which is still around only had 2k people online at a time back when the herald was still around and showed server activity, which wasn't that long ago.

I just have this feeling, the more they try to cater to certain crowds the less game life it will actually have. Unless the amount of subs somehow cover server, GM, content development, and bug fixing costs I can't see them getting very far in the long run. I'm very hopeful since this is actually the type of game I really would like to play, but there are plenty of people who steer clear on purpose from this type of game. 

The key is expectations.   If you design your game to be the next "WoW killer" shooting for 5 million subs, of course your game is going to fail, in regards to hype and probably the ability to recoup the investment.

  MarkJacobs

CEO City State Entertainment

Joined: 12/18/12
Posts: 405

4/15/13 12:13:53 PM#12

@Botrytis - When EA and I parted ways I had a 1 year NCA (Non Competition Agreement). Once that ended I began negotiations with GigaMedia to set up a studio in Singapore. When that deal took too long to close, I walked away and set up a studio with Andrew Meggs in 2011. BY September 2011, most of the studio was staffed and we began work on March on Oz. MoO went up on iOS in the fall of 2012 (we're porting to Android/Ouya and maybe PC) currently. 

As to other games, well, Mythic created over 15 games & expansions during the 14 years I was there and prior to DAoC, our budgets for those games were <100K except for Aliens Online which had a total budget of 450K. We were among the few companies who were dedicated online game developers (Kesmai, ENGAGE Games Online, etc.) because we believed in the future of onine games and even though our budgets were tiny (as most were in that part of the industry then) we created a lot of games in a very short period of time.

Mark Jacobs
CEO, City State Entertainment

  Panther2103

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/09/08
Posts: 2104

4/15/13 12:17:24 PM#13
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by Panther2103
Originally posted by Dahkoht
While I have my concerns in some regards , the best thing to me is Jacobs repeatedly stating they are shooting for a niche game and audience.
The horribly bland , try and make everyone happy games are terrible in the past few years.
If you aren't into RvR , want to play every faction on the same server , don't like PvP overall etc , they aren't making a game for you.
Nor should they.
I'm hoping a sub fee niche style mmorpg becomes more and more common as I personally prefer this type of idea.
Their are plenty of non sub , try and please everyone bland games out there for those who want that kind of game.

There is still a lot of niche sub games as well. The issue being they aren't financially viable for the long run unless the niche is big enough. Look at Mortal Online, very niche, never really had a big following (although a big issue was the fact that they had no idea how to actually develop the game). Shadowbane is another example of a game that had a very niche following and ended up biting the bullet. Darkfall Online is still around but with a very small following. Even DAOC which is still around only had 2k people online at a time back when the herald was still around and showed server activity, which wasn't that long ago.

I just have this feeling, the more they try to cater to certain crowds the less game life it will actually have. Unless the amount of subs somehow cover server, GM, content development, and bug fixing costs I can't see them getting very far in the long run. I'm very hopeful since this is actually the type of game I really would like to play, but there are plenty of people who steer clear on purpose from this type of game. 

The key is expectations.   If you design your game to be the next "WoW killer" shooting for 5 million subs, of course your game is going to fail, in regards to hype and probably the ability to recoup the investment.

Yeah I'm not saying that you have to get 5 million subs. You just have to somehow prove yourself to the entire market for your specific niche to actually have it succeed in terms of making a profit. You can't have a game losing money and still running unless whoever is running it has a lot of money to blow (mortal online devs). That's the issue with niche games, there may be a somewhat large following but the amount a game actually costs is increasing so much it's almost not financially viable to make a niche game with what everyone in that niche wants.

  Battlerock

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Joined: 12/12/11
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4/15/13 12:19:26 PM#14
I believe the expectations here are that this is doac only better. Unfortunately its probably not going to fill the shoes in the same way daoc did, that's just how things go.
  Tamanous

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 1804

4/15/13 12:27:24 PM#15

The people over at CSE (specifically MJ) have stated since day 1 that CU is meant to be a niche game for a specific mmo fanbase. This means:

 

EVEN THE DEVELOPERS EXPECT IT TO ONLY HAVE A SMALL'ISH AMOUNT OF PLAYERS!!!!

 

All this talk about hype and expectations when the game will most likely NOT be played by the majority of players on general gaming sites is nothing but contrived BS made up by the general public.

 

I cannot fathom why Daoc and RvR fans can't simply talk about the possibility of a game that might interest them without all this "what if" bullshit conjecture.

 

I can see it now that even if this game gets made and released there will be tons of posts about how the game failed because it wasn't a Wow or GW2 killers. Again, even the DEVELOPERS have said from day one that they expect this game to only have a small and specific audience.

 

Now if someone tells you something over and over and over again and you still go out of your way to ignore it, it only means one simple thing: you are a complete idiot. It boggles the mind that other popular games do exist completely different than todays watered down and stupified themepark mmos (ie. Eve) that are complex and require a large learning curve yet when a new game comes around saying they want to be different you still have people saying "Nope! Can't be done!". It already has been proven it can be done. It was being done over 10 years ago. Players are screaming for change and want it done.

 

The game can only prove itself once it is made so talking about if it should be made is asinine. Any game should be allowed to be made. Ideas should be allowed to be nurtured. The players will decide whether or not it is played AFTER release.


 

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  Ice-Queen

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4/15/13 12:27:39 PM#16

If the article were written by someone that had played the early years of Ultima Online/Asheron's Call/DAOC/EQ I could take their point of view. The author seems a bit young and has probably been playing or writing about mmo's since WoW came out maybe?

The article to me, comes off as if telling the veteran mmorpg'ers to move on and get with the WoW clone mmo's grind program and deal with it. It seems the author is quite fine with mediocre mmorpg's, we veteran Mmorpg'ers, however, are NOT ok with mediocrity.

What's funny is you can go even now and look at DAOC or Asheron's Call or Ultima Online, even as old as they are, how the worlds feel alive, and there's so much to do in them without having the ! npc quest grinds. There's more content in those games and more innovation than most of today's mmorpg's. The communities in those games were wonderful before the games aged away.

Community and fun is what I seek, and you cannot have that with the larger mmo's these days, they're all WoW clones looking for hundreds of thousands to millions of players. There's no way for people to really get to know each other and enjoy their playtime in mmo's anymore. Today's mmo's feel like a second job when you log in. You log in, do dailies, que up for dungeon dailies with random people, barely even speak the whole time, finish your dailies, and you're done for the day.

I'm looking for community and fun, not a second job.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  Ozmodan

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4/15/13 12:40:11 PM#17
Hard to determine at this stage what kind of success they will find.  Many pvp games fail because of replayability.  DAoC offered a very large pvp are with varied landscape.  Could be a winner if they do it right.  You won't have the pve grind and can focus on your pvp abilities.
  BowbowDAoC

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Joined: 5/11/10
Posts: 482

4/15/13 12:46:35 PM#18

i'll admit headstart that i'm one of the biggest fans of CU (i know its not there yet, but you know what i mean).

 

CU being announced as a niche game is the best and honest move CSE could have made. The hype really comes from the old DAoC players thats for sure, but there is nothing wrong with that either. it just shows that there is quite many people that wants what Christina mentionned, go back to the roots of mmorpgs, where our choices matter, and not just repeating grinding.

 

a lot of studios try to make their games fun, but mostly focus on a game system that will make you want to stay for years ; better equipment, always higher levels. grinding.

 

(in my opinion) Old school mmos were more built toward real fun, meaningful actions, pride, sense of accomplishment, sens of community, where your actions could change many things in game. That is what kept us playing...No tricks, No instant gratification, no special effects to blind you away from the fact that a lot of games are lacking actual depth.

 

I always compare games to movies, in the 1st decade of the 21st century, we witnessed tons of new movies with more and more special effects, vast amount of money spent toward all CG, but lots of them lacked a good deep storyline.

 

But there are still some people that wants to see good movies, with interesting characters, a good storyline, good punches etc.

 

of course those movies arent the summers'blockbusters, but there are still people that prefers those "low budget" movies... Less people i admit, but there is still a clientele.

 

Same goes for CU. It will never reach 10 millions subscribers (granted it funds), and from day it's been said it wasnt the objective.

 

The game will be for those that wants to play something different than what  is offered in general, And the fans and backers are very happy that.

 

We are VERY happy that someone wants to make a game for us, finally.

 

This explains very well why the CU forums here is on fire lately. Fans are not only fans, they are believers, they been wanting a game like that for years. on the other side, there are the others, wich CU's descriptions isnt what they want. and even though i've been very "incendiary" at times responding to them, i cannot blame them. because what they like in games is already outthere by the dozens, so they cant be as enthusiastic as we are, because for us,

 

well, Because CU could be THE ONE we been waiting for.

 

 

Bowbow (kob hunter) Infecto (kob cave shammy) and Thurka (troll warrior) on Merlin/Midgard DAoC
Thurka on WAR

  OgreRaper

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Joined: 6/20/11
Posts: 381

4/15/13 12:47:36 PM#19
I've "moved on" from MMO's. Because there are none out today that interest me. While I don't expect CU to be perfect, I do think it could reignite my love of this genre again.
  BeggarKing

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Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 18

4/15/13 12:48:14 PM#20
There's about seven and a half thousand ppl who disagree and I suspect many more are waiting before jumping aboard, I would guess about 10k by the end of KS. I don't mind paying £10 a month to play so x10 by 10,000 a month and I think the game will scrape by somehow
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