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  Cetra

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Joined: 3/05/04
Posts: 371

4/14/13 10:17:54 PM#21
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by Cetra

I dont hate the game. If its not good, i just dont play it.

However i really dislike Aventurine because they use shady methods towards the mmo community.

They are

  1. not forthcoming in almost everything. Its always covered with a layer of sweet talk of what players like to hear.
  2. False marketing. What they claim is not what u get.
  3. Empty promises. Have never meet a deadline.
I hope AV will just exit the mmo industry after DFUW flopped.

After DF:UW flops I hope they sell the license or something so someone can actually do the game right, as the concept is still good.  Just piss poor execution.

agreed. The game has huge potential , but the company and game development is horrible.

  Lustmord

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Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 1036

4/14/13 10:21:26 PM#22

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

  Melgaroth

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Joined: 4/01/10
Posts: 36

4/14/13 10:24:08 PM#23

They have been more open with information these last weeks of beta.

 

I have been playing since a little after NA launch so I know how frustrating these devs can be.

 

Still doesn't mean this game isn't the best hope for meaningful PVP we have right now. I think if there was a better choice a lot of us would have left a long while ago simply because of bad customer interaction and failed promies. But then again they are Greek so there ya go.

 

AV harshes critics are its fan base. But most of them are also pretty loyal and still support this game after many years of AV's bull simply because the game itself is amazing.

 

Just enjoy the game for what it is and stop whining about AV. There are a lot of people that think UW was a mistake but personally I think that if they didn't launch UW the original would be struggling pretty hard right now and would have eventually been shut down.

 

Being on Steam is going to bring in a lot of fresh meat. The new UI if very newb friendly, the new safe zones will help immensely, the new prowess system is leagues better than the other way of leveling and the crafting is still one of if not the best crafting system i've ever used. I actually like crafting in Darkfall and I HATE, and I mean HATE crafting in every other game.

 

I also see people whine about not having a player driven economy in MMO's. Well I think this is about as close as its going to get. Almost everything worthwhile is crafted as far as gear goes. Mobs do drop some gear but its not as good as crafted.

 

Anyhoo I agree with the OP, this game has balls and its not for the faint of heart. If you don't like getting ganked and losing your gear then steer VERY far away from this game.

 

TL;DR - This game is for Men. Panzy neck-beards stear clear.

  Vunak23

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Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

4/14/13 10:30:59 PM#24
Originally posted by Lustmord

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

Or, we stop taking the shit developers are feeding us and actually demand more from them instead of the shitty quality products we are getting, or WoW clone number 27 in space. 

No I think I wil wait until a game studio actually has the vision and means to create something worth while. Not one or the other. Also Aventurtine will never get a cent out of me. They have some seriously shady business practices. They are just a step above Star Vault in that case. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Deerhunter71

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Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 546

4/14/13 10:33:10 PM#25
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Lustmord

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

Or, we stop taking the shit developers are feeding us and actually demand more from them instead of the shitty quality products we are getting, or WoW clone number 27 in space. 

No I think I wil wait until a game studio actually has the vision and means to create something worth while. Not one or the other. Also Aventurtine will never get a cent out of me. They have some seriously shady business practices. They are just a step above Star Vault in that case. 

+1 - you win the the thread my man!!

  Lustmord

Elite Member

Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 1036

4/14/13 10:33:23 PM#26
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Lustmord

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

Or, we stop taking the shit developers are feeding us and actually demand more from them instead of the shitty quality products we are getting, or WoW clone number 27 in space. 

No I think I wil wait until a game studio actually has the vision and means to create something worth while. Not one or the other. Also Aventurtine will never get a cent out of me. They have some seriously shady business practices. They are just a step above Star Vault in that case. 

Okay have fun waiting.

You could vote with your wallet, so other developers might take interest.. Or you can vote with your wallet and keep waiting.

 

But please enjoy this song while you wait:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-E53gmeO-8

  Vunak23

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

4/14/13 10:46:15 PM#27
Originally posted by Lustmord
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Lustmord

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

Or, we stop taking the shit developers are feeding us and actually demand more from them instead of the shitty quality products we are getting, or WoW clone number 27 in space. 

No I think I wil wait until a game studio actually has the vision and means to create something worth while. Not one or the other. Also Aventurtine will never get a cent out of me. They have some seriously shady business practices. They are just a step above Star Vault in that case. 

Okay have fun waiting.

You could vote with your wallet, so other developers might take interest.. Or you can vote with your wallet and keep waiting.

 

But please enjoy this song while you wait:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-E53gmeO-8

Enjoy your half assed game where the devs don't care about you as a player. I'll enjoy my song until something decent comes out, thanks. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Ramonski7

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Joined: 5/21/03
Posts: 2675

"A wise man has something to say, but a fool just has to say something."

4/14/13 10:49:32 PM#28

Sorry guys but all the pseudo macho caveman talk still won't save a bad game from being bad. Meaningful PvP? How can the PvP be meaningful when all you ever tell potential players is: Don't worry about dying, the shit you had looted can be easily replaced. Well wouldn't that make the PvP worthless then? When all the stuff you think is worth something is meaningless? Or do you mean sieges and stuff? Because that for me is pointless. Hot swapping keeps and castles may seem meaningful to some people but I've been doing it for years in one form or another.

 

Here's a tip...next time you want to entice someone to check out your game or give people the hint to layoff the indies, try being a little bit more subtle.


"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."

  Kinchyle

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/20/10
Posts: 264

4/14/13 10:57:43 PM#29

Originally posted by Vunak23

Originally posted by Lustmord

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

Or, we stop taking the shit developers are feeding us and actually demand more from them instead of the shitty quality products we are getting, or WoW clone number 27 in space. 

No I think I wil wait until a game studio actually has the vision and means to create something worth while. Not one or the other. Also Aventurtine will never get a cent out of me. They have some seriously shady business practices. They are just a step above Star Vault in that case. 

Originally posted by Ramonski7

Sorry guys but all the pseudo macho caveman talk still won't save a bad game from being bad. Meaningful PvP? How can the PvP be meaningful when all you ever tell potential players is: Don't worry about dying, the shit you had looted can be easily replaced. Well wouldn't that make the PvP worthless then? When all the stuff you think is worth something is meaningless? Or do you mean sieges and stuff? Because that for me is pointless. Hot swapping keeps and castles may seem meaningful to some people but I've been doing it for years in one form or another.

 

Here's a tip...next time you want to entice someone to check out your game or give people the hint to layoff the indies, try being a little bit more subtle.

All I ever needed to read....ever....ever...

  Lustmord

Elite Member

Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 1036

4/14/13 11:02:16 PM#30
Originally posted by Ramonski7

Sorry guys but all the pseudo macho caveman talk still won't save a bad game from being bad. Meaningful PvP? How can the PvP be meaningful when all you ever tell potential players is: Don't worry about dying, the shit you had looted can be easily replaced. Well wouldn't that make the PvP worthless then? When all the stuff you think is worth something is meaningless? Or do you mean sieges and stuff? Because that for me is pointless. Hot swapping keeps and castles may seem meaningful to some people but I've been doing it for years in one form or another.

 

Here's a tip...next time you want to entice someone to check out your game or give people the hint to layoff the indies, try being a little bit more subtle.

 

The draw to Darkfall to me, honestly, was never the awesome meaningful pvp, or city seiges.

Those are just components in the overall package of a persistent world.

 

I like that it's a massive seemless world.

I like that there's only 1 NA server, for this giant world, and the population is niche.

I like that I learn people's names, and they learn mine. We are neighbors in this world, not just random drivers on the freeway together.

It's not for everybody, but it's certainly for people who are sick of heavily instanced themepark mmo's.

 

When I played Darkfall1, I immediately subbed for 6 months. That is the first and only game I ever subbed 6 months for. It's the best thing we have, for people who want a 3d UO.

Unholy Wars changed a lot of stuff. A some for the worse, other's for the better. But it still feels like Darkfall. It's still a beautiful living persistant world sandbox, where I can log on and do whatever I want.

 

 

If you don't like Unholy Wars, best of luck to you. Please don't discourage others from trying it.  I highly reccomend it if you're on the fence.

  Ramonski7

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Joined: 5/21/03
Posts: 2675

"A wise man has something to say, but a fool just has to say something."

4/14/13 11:42:08 PM#31
Originally posted by Lustmord
Originally posted by Ramonski7

Sorry guys but all the pseudo macho caveman talk still won't save a bad game from being bad. Meaningful PvP? How can the PvP be meaningful when all you ever tell potential players is: Don't worry about dying, the shit you had looted can be easily replaced. Well wouldn't that make the PvP worthless then? When all the stuff you think is worth something is meaningless? Or do you mean sieges and stuff? Because that for me is pointless. Hot swapping keeps and castles may seem meaningful to some people but I've been doing it for years in one form or another.

 

Here's a tip...next time you want to entice someone to check out your game or give people the hint to layoff the indies, try being a little bit more subtle.

 

The draw to Darkfall to me, honestly, was never the awesome meaningful pvp, or city seiges.

Those are just components in the overall package of a persistent world.

 

I like that it's a massive seemless world.

I like that there's only 1 NA server, for this giant world, and the population is niche.

I like that I learn people's names, and they learn mine. We are neighbors in this world, not just random drivers on the freeway together.

It's not for everybody, but it's certainly for people who are sick of heavily instanced themepark mmo's.

 

When I played Darkfall1, I immediately subbed for 6 months. That is the first and only game I ever subbed 6 months for. It's the best thing we have, for people who want a 3d UO.

Unholy Wars changed a lot of stuff. A some for the worse, other's for the better. But it still feels like Darkfall. It's still a beautiful living persistant world sandbox, where I can log on and do whatever I want.

 

 

If you don't like Unholy Wars, best of luck to you. Please don't discourage others from trying it.  I highly reccomend it if you're on the fence.

Now that post right there my friend is how you present yourself to potentially new players. Well thought out and cordial. Rant and insult free but unbiasly realistic in both scope and potential appeal of the game. Thanks Lustmord.


"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."

  ThomasN7

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4/14/13 11:47:05 PM#32
I really think the devs have some good ideas. I may try this game out.
  LongLivePvP

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Joined: 1/27/13
Posts: 104

4/14/13 11:48:17 PM#33
Bring this puppy on!!!!

Playing: Darkfall Unholy Wars & ArcheAge(Alpha)
Backed: Shards Online, Camelot Unchained
Loved: Vanilla WoW,UO,Shadowbane,EQ,DAoC,Asheron's Call(Darktide)

  corpusc

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4/15/13 12:02:32 AM#34
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by goflish
Originally posted by Aerowyn
anyone have any video of these massive seiges? all the video i have seen from this game so far are small skirmishes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPQwfKzV4-E

that's DF id like to see one from this game

 

only the gameplay mechanics have changed.

its the same engine, same network technology. 

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i don't expect to like Darkfall, altho i may like it MORE than other MMOs. i know it is gonna have a very frustrating level of grind to it, even if its significantly less than most. waiting for a pure FAST action virtual world. dice rolling & character levels (even "skills") IN COMBAT should have never carried over from pencil & paper to a computer that can reasonably model 3D spaces and objects

  Distopia

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4/15/13 12:08:56 AM#35
Originally posted by Vunak23

Okay have fun waiting.

You could vote with your wallet, so other developers might take interest.. Or you can vote with your wallet and keep waiting.

 

But please enjoy this song while you wait:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-E53gmeO-8

Enjoy your half assed game where the devs don't care about you as a player. I'll enjoy my song until something decent comes out, thanks. 

He's right you know, I'm not saying that there are many games that are great, but, most games are better than sitting around being bitter about not getting exactly what you want. I must also say (if that is your true age) you were born in the wrong timeline to be expecting those devs that care about you as a player, that time has long passed..long passed. Today it's all about money, design credentials and showmanship, even with the indies out there.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  SupportPlayerMM

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OP  4/15/13 3:01:31 AM#36

To the following argument "Show them with your wallet"

 

The idea is good but much like the same idea being said about  gasoline it's not going to happen. Me not buying a game that seems interesting but failed in some degree is not going to make everyone else instantly not play it the same as some post saying April 22 no one buy gas and they'll lose billions!!! It's never going to happen because let's face it, MMO's are a hobby and form of entertainment and the only way the developers will change is if everyone quit the MMO market; which isn't going to happen. Even though products like Darkfall come out with flaws, I still find fun in them and because of that I can't feasibly see a reason to walk away from the industry. A developer needs to come along with the players come first mentality as a motivation and maybe then we'll see some changes but all this "Boycott" crap is never going to happen.

 

Will Aventurine fail? Maybe; Does that mean someone else will say "Open spot in the sandbox genre! Let's go team!" no... just means someones gonna say see, told you so, sandboxes can't succeed.

Once upon a time communities use to be passionate and had a love for MMO's now all I see is hate threads on every game. I think a lot of people aren't having fun anymore and those people might need to lead this "boycott" and walk away, find something that makes them happy. We live one life on this planet... I couldn't imagine using so much time of it being hateful on video game forums over things I don't like.

 

 

  SysFail

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4/15/13 5:09:15 AM#37

Unholy wars isn't as unforgiving as its predecessor, with many changes having been done in response to many of the issues that caused players to hemorrhage from DF1, issues such as...

NPC griefing, in DF1 there were clans and players, that simply warred other clans to grief those based in NPC towns. This is gone, so those wanting to hang around in NPC towns can do so in peace now, merchants can do their trades, crafters can craft in peace, but most of all, clans/alliances that lose their holdings and find themselves homeless will now have bases to regroup, in DF1 this wasn't the case, which led to many clans failing.

The grind! In DF1 it was endless, players who didn't have the time always felt as though they were left behind, but the new role and prowess system is fantastic for everyone. Yes there will still be those that get a head by playing more, but casuals will still feel as though their progressing simply by doing stuff in game, whether thats through crafting, pve, feats and  pvp, but most importantly, they will be competitive thanks to the role system.

So if you're a bored MMO'er that has had enough of the mainstream and is seeking something that will make the heart pump, whether thats as a pvp'er, pve'er, trader, crafter, explorer, then Unholy wars could offer you that next great experience. My only advice, get yourself into a decent clan, because DF isn't a MMO for those looking for a single player experience, Darkfall has and always will be about teamwork, with everybody being invaluable, no matter what path they choose to take, in Darkfall everyone is important to the cause.

  Deerhunter71

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Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 546

4/15/13 7:11:19 AM#38
Originally posted by Kinchyle

Originally posted by Vunak23

Originally posted by Lustmord

Okay guys, have fun in The Old Republic battlegrounds, while we have fun in Darkfall. I heard the Hutt Cartel is super exciting.

 

Or play Darkfall, and accept it for what it is. The choice is yours, may the force be with you.

Or, we stop taking the shit developers are feeding us and actually demand more from them instead of the shitty quality products we are getting, or WoW clone number 27 in space. 

No I think I wil wait until a game studio actually has the vision and means to create something worth while. Not one or the other. Also Aventurtine will never get a cent out of me. They have some seriously shady business practices. They are just a step above Star Vault in that case. 

Originally posted by Ramonski7

Sorry guys but all the pseudo macho caveman talk still won't save a bad game from being bad. Meaningful PvP? How can the PvP be meaningful when all you ever tell potential players is: Don't worry about dying, the shit you had looted can be easily replaced. Well wouldn't that make the PvP worthless then? When all the stuff you think is worth something is meaningless? Or do you mean sieges and stuff? Because that for me is pointless. Hot swapping keeps and castles may seem meaningful to some people but I've been doing it for years in one form or another.

 

Here's a tip...next time you want to entice someone to check out your game or give people the hint to layoff the indies, try being a little bit more subtle.

All I ever needed to read....ever....ever...

100% spot on!

  DarthRaiden

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i make art,
till someone dies.

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4/15/13 7:33:46 AM#39

Always the same ..its the "best" because its the only one who caters to full loot PvP  ....just ...

 

LACKS everything else...

its not much interaction possible to shape the world ..everything has a build order and no freedom ...

We still need to wait for a good game that is not lackluster..and for that what DF :UW is there are better multiplayer games out to play...

They had the potential to create a good game and missed ..they give up on the sandbox concept  and please only the FPS crowd ..which they fail to please because the FPS crowd thinks the game is slow and they can't jump around anymore and drew retarded circles like in DF 1..

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  Maelwydd

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4/15/13 7:47:11 AM#40

Got to love the people that are MO or DF fans.

They get all the benefits of playing a free FPS game but with the added bonus of paying some shady developer for the chance to do so.

Seriously though, these games are shockingly one dimensional, are poorly developed and stuck in the 'sandbox games must have full loot FFA pvp' mindset. It wouldn't be so bad if they had something else to do.  But all there is to do is engage in 'meaningful' PvP over 'meaningless' crafted goods.

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