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  vulanx

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Joined: 4/12/13
Posts: 14

4/14/13 3:23:32 PM#41
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

I mean this is not called March on Oz "Unchained" right?

  ltank

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Joined: 9/19/04
Posts: 325

4/14/13 3:24:00 PM#42
Originally posted by taus01
 

Long is an understatement. This guy is just boring as hell. At least get someone that does not sound like he is falling asleep any minute or is overdosing on vicodin. I don't know but he does not sound excited about his own project at all. These Videos are awful and you all know it.

 

 

You mean like Paul Barnett? Also, nobody cares.

  Laeesh

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 89

4/14/13 3:28:25 PM#43
Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by Laeesh

hmm. that´s sort of weird i think. (not meant in a offensive way). Does that mean, if the numbers would be presented by some other *you own opinion of presenting something perfectly* the same numbers would then shine and be "better" ?

You know what i mean, it would help to get people to understand what he is trying to pitch because at this moment the campaign is failing and that is to no small amount due to the fact that its not presented in a way so people get excited and understand what on earth he is trying to do.

Besides there is not list or compact version of these "numbers". There is no concept documetn that outlines the his vision.

In fact, it seems that he is making this stuff up as the campaign goes on. (and of cause that would be fine too since he knows what he is doing and all, no need to tell me that.)

Originally posted by naezgul

So another title, which actually showed less was okay because the pitchman charmed you?

Ron Popeil has sold billions of dollars of junk because he presented things in a fantastical way......

... see above

 

 

hmm i think this unofficial FAQ could help, getting the essence of the wall´s of text =) !

Unofficial CU FAQ:

http://itcu.enjin.com/forum/m/12563697/viewthread/6521232-camelot-unchained-faq

I know another wall of text, but it is less then all FP together:

http://www.sklurb.com/camelot/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=346

A very good google.document put together:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-KiQ-LGWEr0QjfihJ8AZ5itidYV4aXbmdXwAHfOjgQ/edit?pli=1

  Hjamnr

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Joined: 3/29/13
Posts: 174

4/14/13 3:29:02 PM#44
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

DAoC 

That was his best, absolutely.

Previously they had "Darkness Falls", which was somewhat well received, from what I understand, but limited to AOL's game service at the time.

Then there is also WAR, which while disappointing, most of the sections MJ had direct influence on were great.  Namely, T1 & T2.

DAoC was best, in large part, because they were working in an "Indie" environment, which it appears is where MJ thrives.  Not saying he didn't make some mistakes, in that era, but he has "owned up" to those.   Once you got EA involved, it became a whole new ball of wax, with all the corporate crap associated with that.   You probably know, but if not you can ask anyone:  Anything EA touches becomes corrupted and dies.

  Plastic-Metal

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 423

4/14/13 3:33:10 PM#45
Originally posted by Karteli

WoW Vanilla PVP with Taren Mill & Southshore was the ultimate experience for PVP. 

 

I'm sorry that your online gaming experience have been incredibly shallow.  While WoW PvP at TM/SS was fun and entertaining, it wasn't the ultimate experience for all PvP.

My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

  vulanx

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/12/13
Posts: 14

4/14/13 3:33:48 PM#46
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

DAoC 

That was his best, absolutely.

Previously they had "Darkness Falls", which was somewhat well received, from what I understand, but limited to AOL's game service at the time.

Then there is also WAR, which while disappointing, most of the sections MJ had direct influence on were great.  Namely, T1 & T2.

DAoC was best, in large part, because they were working in an "Indie" environment, which it appears is where MJ thrives.  Not saying he didn't make some mistakes, in that era, but he has "owned up" to those.   Once you got EA involved, it became a whole new ball of wax, with all the corporate crap associated with that.   You probably know, but if not you can ask anyone:  Anything EA touches becomes corrupted and dies.

Agree. But ToA. and if I (already have EA's money from the sell of Mythic in my bank) Did not like / think WAR was going in the right direction. I would not have waiting until Months after release to leave EA. MJ is a tool...

  Plastic-Metal

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Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 423

4/14/13 3:37:19 PM#47
Originally posted by Karteli

Tech demo and alpha footage are interchangeable these days. 

I wish I saw this before posting, but guess I'll double post.  Anyway, you're wrong Karteli - tech demo and alpha footage is not interchangeable these days.  Tech demo is considered a proof of a working concept.  Alpha footage is when most foundamental building blocks are in place and you're expanding upon it to reach beta status.

EDIT:  Fixed a typo.

My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

4/14/13 3:37:54 PM#48
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

DAoC 

That was his best, absolutely.

Previously they had "Darkness Falls", which was somewhat well received, from what I understand, but limited to AOL's game service at the time.

Then there is also WAR, which while disappointing, most of the sections MJ had direct influence on were great.  Namely, T1 & T2.

DAoC was best, in large part, because they were working in an "Indie" environment, which it appears is where MJ thrives.  Not saying he didn't make some mistakes, in that era, but he has "owned up" to those.   Once you got EA involved, it became a whole new ball of wax, with all the corporate crap associated with that.   You probably know, but if not you can ask anyone:  Anything EA touches becomes corrupted and dies.

There are fans for every game possible.. nobody can get around that.

 

There are fans for DAoC.  There are fans for UO.  There are fans for SWTOR.  .. and there are even fans for FIFA (go figure).

 

Just because someone is a virgin doesn't mean they won't become a sex slave later in life.  EA actually was a REALLY good company for computer games in the 80's.  Then they became a sex slave looking for more highs, instead of making great games.

 

MJ needs to send out a working version of CU alpha.  No if and's, or but's.

 

Because every fan of CU is getting all worked up for the ultimate game, and their ideas differ.  There can only be one final game, and many people are going to be disappointed.

 

The best game is one that never released, because fans keep their expectations high, and a game never released can also never fail.

 

BTW, this is a push for more videos not showing people talking about what they want, but what they can deliver.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  vulanx

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/12/13
Posts: 14

4/14/13 3:39:50 PM#49
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

DAoC 

That was his best, absolutely.

Previously they had "Darkness Falls", which was somewhat well received, from what I understand, but limited to AOL's game service at the time.

Then there is also WAR, which while disappointing, most of the sections MJ had direct influence on were great.  Namely, T1 & T2.

DAoC was best, in large part, because they were working in an "Indie" environment, which it appears is where MJ thrives.  Not saying he didn't make some mistakes, in that era, but he has "owned up" to those.   Once you got EA involved, it became a whole new ball of wax, with all the corporate crap associated with that.   You probably know, but if not you can ask anyone:  Anything EA touches becomes corrupted and dies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwiogFmg7OU

  Hjamnr

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Joined: 3/29/13
Posts: 174

4/14/13 3:46:14 PM#50
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

DAoC 

That was his best, absolutely.

Previously they had "Darkness Falls", which was somewhat well received, from what I understand, but limited to AOL's game service at the time.

Then there is also WAR, which while disappointing, most of the sections MJ had direct influence on were great.  Namely, T1 & T2.

DAoC was best, in large part, because they were working in an "Indie" environment, which it appears is where MJ thrives.  Not saying he didn't make some mistakes, in that era, but he has "owned up" to those.   Once you got EA involved, it became a whole new ball of wax, with all the corporate crap associated with that.   You probably know, but if not you can ask anyone:  Anything EA touches becomes corrupted and dies.

There are fans for every game possible.. nobody can get around that.

 

There are fans for DAoC.  There are fans for UO.  There are fans for SWTOR.  .. and there are even fans for FIFA (go figure).

 

Just because someone is a virgin doesn't mean they won't become a sex slave later in life.  EA actually was a REALLY good company for computer games in the 80's.  Then they became a sex slave looking for more highs.

 

MJ needs to send out a working version of CU alpha.  No if and's, or but's.

 

Because every fan of CU is getting all worked up for the ultimate game, and their ideas differ.  There can only be one final game, and many people are going to be disappointed.

 

The best game is one that never released, because fans keep their expectations high, and a game never released can also never fail.

 

BTW, this is a push for more videos not showing people talking about what they want, but what they can deliver.

Understandable. 

What people are getting worked up about isn't really "their own differing ideas about the ultimate game".  What they are excited about, primarily, are the foundational principles which Mark Jacobs, Andrew Meggs, and the CSE team have laid out on their website

Unfortunately you will not be seeing "a working version of CU alpha".  They're about 6 months or so away from the initial internal testing, and about a year away from the alpha stage.  As there are "no if's, and's or but's" concerning that, it would seem that you will not be supporting their Kickstarter.  Everyone has their own criteria to measure their willingness to support a project.

  Foggye

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Joined: 3/04/13
Posts: 92

4/14/13 3:47:04 PM#51
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Karteli

The campaign is targeting DAoC players, who with rose colored glasses (tm) remember only the good parts.  They don't remember that WoW was the killing factor of DAoC.  They would rather cite poor expansions instead.

 

WoW Vanilla PVP with Taren Mill & Southshore was the ultimate experience for PVP.  But not because you were protecting some artificial NPC or structure .. you were defending real players with personalities actually trying to just PVE, and that made the whole experience DYNAMIC.  It was a battle worth fighting for.  Many friends made along the way.

 

CU doesn't have PVE, so it's already a niche market.  PVP only MMORPG's even driven the niche a little bit further.  If CU was just a MOBA, I think the game would have a resounding applause.

 

 

No one is going to take you seriously when you say wow and the ultimate pvp experience in the same sentence. I've notice you bash this around a lot recently though.

   For him, it could of been.  Sure I did the Tarren Mill/Southshire fights (started a few of them myself), it was alright.   I found them a nice diversion, but I also found them near pointless.    I also went to GM on vanilla WoW, and sure it was fun.  Before the handholding killed it.  Ultimate pvp experience?  Not by a long shot.  That's my opinion, just like he's entilted to his.  Though, I guess when you state your opinion, then you ought to expect to be criticized.

 

   For me, I have so many memorable pvp experiences from DAoC that I can't really rank them.  So many, like: when our 8man was wiping out the zergs, winning the 8v8's back to back to back(they were solid groups), milegate fights, first time we beat Dizzy in the classics being rr3's, stealing 3 relics in one night, or perhaps the time I got 200 deathblows using an oilpot during a long keep defense. 

 

   In my comparsion to WoW from DAoC in terms of pvp was the thought behind them.  In WoW there was no persistence.  Killing everything in Tarren Mill didn't give you control of the town.  You just got flamed on the forums for killing the flight master.  The NPCs and enemy players would just keep coming over and over till you got bored, or you lost by attrition.  Sure you could kill a city boss.  Killed Thrall several times.  More out of trickery, exploits, and very very fast assault.  No way, you could march your way there.  Every player you kill comes back a minute later.  Killing thrall while it's kind out of a slap in the face didn't benefit you at all.  He'd just respawn back, no harm no foul. 

 

   For DAoC it was a tug-o-war of power, peristence, benefit, and more in importantly there were more then one way to PvP.  For the most part, the realm sides would often keep things from getting too one-sided.  The goal was take control of enemy areas, while keeping yours.   Stealing the relics gave everyone on your realm a bonus if you have enoug of them.  Slap in the face, and I do 10% more damage; hell yeah.   Personal bonuses were good too, and on a long scale that was pretty hard to max that it took years of pvp to obtain.  YEARS.  You always had something to look forward to.  Then it was how you pvp'd.  There was keep and milegate fights, zerg fighting, 8v8s, duo/solo, the stealther metagame, and lowbie backgrounds for when you wanted to take a step back.

 

   DAoC you got more powerful, got new abilitlies and community.  Vanilla WoW, you got a shiny set of armor that was made available to everyone near the end, and then totally invalidated.

 

  CU promises to bring some of that back.  Sign me up.  I'll willing to hinge a bet on it, despite the lack of a playable demo or some trailer that has more beautiful artwork and flashy combat then what you'll find in the actual game.  Because every other mmo I've tried doesn't hold my attention for more then 3 months.

  Hjamnr

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4/14/13 3:55:04 PM#52
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by vulanx
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Taus i respected you for your greed monger thread which was right on the button but you're wrong here. MJ has 30 years of experience making games, So why don't you just wait and see before getting your troll costume on.

And 1 good game..... just 1..

That you're aware of.   And most people developing games don't even have that.

OK what am I not aware of then Hjamnr?

What are you considering his "1 good game"?

DAoC 

That was his best, absolutely.

Previously they had "Darkness Falls", which was somewhat well received, from what I understand, but limited to AOL's game service at the time.

Then there is also WAR, which while disappointing, most of the sections MJ had direct influence on were great.  Namely, T1 & T2.

DAoC was best, in large part, because they were working in an "Indie" environment, which it appears is where MJ thrives.  Not saying he didn't make some mistakes, in that era, but he has "owned up" to those.   Once you got EA involved, it became a whole new ball of wax, with all the corporate crap associated with that.   You probably know, but if not you can ask anyone:  Anything EA touches becomes corrupted and dies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwiogFmg7OU

And?

He was working in the management of a public corporation, at the time.  I am sorry if you don't understand what that means, but I will try to explain a little of it.

When you are working in upper management of a corporation, you generally don't have day-to-day "hands on" on any project you are overseeing.  You have managers and leads who provide you with data, which is all you have to work off of.  If they provide you with misleading or erroneous data, you don't have any basis to question this, assuming you trust the staff working under you.

A second part of this is that, as an executive, you are always expected to put the best face on your products.  You do not air your internal disagreements and conflicts to the press and the public.  It's just not done.

Those two should allow you to at least get a small grasp on the situation Mark Jacobs was in, during that period.  This combined with some family issues during the year, prior to WAR's launch, unfortunately put him in a situation to be the scapegoat for all consumer angst when WAR launched, and since.

  Tumblebutz

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4/14/13 4:28:17 PM#53
Originally posted by taus01

 

... He comes off like a nobhead.

OH SWEET IRONY, HOW YOUR HONEYED DRIP SATES MINE SOUL!

Good luck to the game but i am out.

Let's be honest... you were never in, to begin with.

I'm sorry for the venomous response, but I'm quickly growing frustrated with the negative threads from those who have not made it their business to understand what the KS is intended to accomplish and/or how the game is intended to play.

If you are not interested in this type of game, that is perfectly fine and I encourage you to seek entertainment elsewhere (as many others have done, as well.)  But please don't complain about this or that missing when those things were never intended to be revealed at this stage, in the first place.

It's like walking into a Synogogue and complaining that there's no bacon.

Emeryc Eightdrakes - Ranger of DragonMyst Keep - Percival

RED IS DEAD!

  Cinc

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Joined: 6/27/08
Posts: 8

4/14/13 4:44:28 PM#54
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.
  User Deleted
4/14/13 4:45:58 PM#55
Originally posted by Tumblebutz
Originally posted by taus01

 

... He comes off like a nobhead.

OH SWEET IRONY, HOW YOUR HONEYED DRIP SATES MINE SOUL!

Good luck to the game but i am out.

Let's be honest... you were never in, to begin with.

I'm sorry for the venomous response, but I'm quickly growing frustrated with the negative threads from those who have not made it their business to understand what the KS is intended to accomplish and/or how the game is intended to play.

If you are not interested in this type of game, that is perfectly fine and I encourage you to seek entertainment elsewhere (as many others have done, as well.)  But please don't complain about this or that missing when those things were never intended to be revealed at this stage, in the first place.

It's like walking into a Synogogue and complaining that there's no bacon.

Using an analogy based on religion to prove your point about believing in a game and the man behind it... that's ironic to say the least.

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

4/14/13 4:53:56 PM#56
Originally posted by Foggye

   DAoC you got more powerful, got new abilitlies and community.  Vanilla WoW, you got a shiny set of armor that was made available to everyone near the end, and then totally invalidated.

That is what happens in MMO's. Equipment gets more powerful, along with encounters.

 

If you invalidate WoW's near armor, then you also have to invalidate DAoC's new gear, if the game was successful.. Because that was where it was heading also.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Karteli

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4/14/13 4:56:59 PM#57
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Cinc

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Posts: 8

4/14/13 5:19:50 PM#58
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

  sirjonnyboy

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4/14/13 5:23:22 PM#59

What man, with 2million dollars he's gonna put into the game ANYWAYS, doesn't use that money to create a pre alpha demonstartion of his game & ideas?

Grim Dawn isnt the best looking game to come out, but on the kickstarter, he SHOWED his ideas the best he could with what he had so far.  i saw footage, and i heard his ideas. and i said to myself... hmmm i think i'm gonna back this..

I see CU and i watch it, awesome idea, after awesome idea, AWESOME! now lets actually see what you mean by this crafter/builder. huh? you havent actually made it yet? the Depths? holy shit! and this is a non-instanced dungeon within the battlefield? lets see what u mean!  pictures of concept art? seriously?

Most non-fanboy ppl, will need to see footage of a game before they buy it, unless its 3 dollars at gamestop. I try to get into any alpha i can (without paying) and try to get into any beta i can(without paying) if i cant i wait for the youtube videos to come rolling out so i can see FOOTAGE. 

By the time any real manifestation of the game is shown, all the kickstarter benefits will be down, and the only thing u can do is pre order the game at like a 5% discount and maybe get beta access if u drop a little more cash.... but by then ESO & wildstar& grim dawn will be up and running.  Hell probably 3 new maplestory characters will be out before then.

what idiot is going to pay for an unlimited subscription to a game, they've never seen?

 

That's like occulus Rift, making a KS page, and only talking about their ideas, and never once showed you any footage of what they were talking about, because they didnt even start on it yet....

 

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA.

  User Deleted
4/14/13 5:24:13 PM#60
Originally posted by Cinc
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Cinc
Can someone please explain why anyone would actually take the time to complain about an idea you have nothing invested in? You haven't bought anything so you have no skin in the game. If you don't like the idea, don't back it, really simple. Don't expect them to change their idea and vision to please you. You either agree or disagree with them. Why post all this negative crap about a game that doesn't even exist yet? So you don't like or trust Jacobs, why share this in threads about this game? Why not go to the forums of the games which you've actually bought and have a reason to dislike and vent your frustrations there? Anyone posting all this negative stuff about a game that doesn't exist and which they have nothing invested in is just a troll in my eyes. Not sure how you can be viewed as anyting else.

You need to experience the MMO market more.

 

It doesn't simply contain fans or shills, it also is filled with counter arguments from those sceptical, also know as "haters".

 

If you wanted a 100% acceptance of everything said, you should visit the CU official forum's.  They will be quite pleasant to you.

I don't expect people to agree with me, I said as much in my post. I'm curious as to what would motivate someone to post something negative about an idea they have nothing invested in and it will in no way affect their life if the idea is a success or failure. Unless of course they are simply trolls looking to rile people up. 

By that same logic: I am curious why anyone would care what motivation someone else would have to post anything negative about an idea which they care about and which will not be impacted in any way by that post... unless of course that initial anyone has something to gain from silencing dissent.

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