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  Stromm

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4/13/13 10:01:11 AM#41
Originally posted by will75

I respect the people who PvE don'r want to pvp. Understandable. This is why this is a niche, there is a lot of questions.  I am not a gambling man, i go on cruises, there is a casino locally, i could gamble online etc.. I do not.  Perhaps my backing was a gamble. I guess it is.  It's a chance to back something potentially great, i paid $120 for GW2  well 2 copies of it, i played it for 1 month after release. Only because my guild was, in early beta i asked them where was the PVP progression.They had no answer, now they have an answer and it sucks. I suspect  Mr.Jacobs is well aware of all the problems with the GW2 WvW. If i could ask him a question, with showing 500 vs 500 and 1000 people on the screen, does this mean he's shooting for zerg vs zerg. Or will my small team guild be able to not go out and get ran over by 30-40 people everywhere we go? Ever try to take a tower in GW2 with 8 people? Goodluck... heh

I would love to see his answer to your question. Your question strikes at the very core of my fundamental problem with large scale PvP. It always boils down to a zergfest.

What measures is he designing that will fix this?

His experience on DAoC should give him the background to understand the zerg problem.

His experience on Warhammer Online should give him the experience to understand class imbalance problems.

Yet I see nothing from him outlining how he will address either. Just promises, trust me, trust me, I got this. Well I don't believe he does because I am not a lead game developer who has worked on two AAA RvR MMOs and cannot picture how he will build a game where your small guild team will have a skill-based chance of defeating a random zerg of noobs that has you outgunned 10:1. And how both sides of that fight are going to walk away thinking yep, that was a fair outcome, coulda gone either way.

  expresso

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4/13/13 10:01:59 AM#42
Talk is cheap..... thats all CU is at the moment...... talk.
  User Deleted
4/13/13 10:04:27 AM#43
Originally posted by SimplyAg3
Originally posted by topographic
I need to see more...a lot more.

What kinds of things would help convince you? 

A project plan with timelines.

Something more than a bulleted list of features found in one MMO or another. The Google doc is nothing more than that. I would have been more impressed if it was titled, "Game features you will find in MMOs. Part 1: Overview".

A FAQ that provides more than definitions for the above mentioned features.

Those are my top three. I can keep going, if you like. I have an entire wall of text outlining concerns about this project (I refuse to call it a game at this point).

 

  Docmandu

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4/13/13 10:04:41 AM#44
Originally posted by jdnewell

The Depths did perk my interest some more in this game. But to be honest the rabid fans and the response to any posts that do not rave about CU have more influence on me backing or not. These will be the people you play with.

 

 

About 7000 people have backed the KS, maybe 50 people are on these forums... I'd say that's a rather low sample to make such judgement calls, don't you think?

 

 

  Taldier

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Joined: 11/22/10
Posts: 249

4/13/13 10:14:45 AM#45

People are comparing this too much to some other game kickstarters have mainly just used the kickstarter system for hype.

Certainly there are a couple questions I'd like to have answered as well, but they dont need to show us a fully working game with models and balanced classes at this point.  The game is just starting development.   Thats the way kickstarter has always been intended to be used.

Other games have exploited it when they are already mostly finished just to make people feel like they are more involved than they really are.  If anything, those are the kickstarters that feel dishonest.

Kickstarter isnt a discount store where you just go to preorder a little early.  Its a platform for ideas to be funded by people who want to see those ideas come to fruition.

  DavisFlight

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4/13/13 10:14:46 AM#46
Originally posted by expresso
Talk is cheap..... thats all CU is at the moment...... talk.

That's usually enough to get a million idiots to shell out 70$ collector editions for games like AoC and SWTOR.

  Binafus

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Joined: 4/06/13
Posts: 44

4/13/13 12:48:26 PM#47
Originally posted by topographic
Originally posted by SimplyAg3
Originally posted by topographic
I need to see more...a lot more.

What kinds of things would help convince you? 

A project plan with timelines.

Something more than a bulleted list of features found in one MMO or another. The Google doc is nothing more than that. I would have been more impressed if it was titled, "Game features you will find in MMOs. Part 1: Overview".

A FAQ that provides more than definitions for the above mentioned features.

Those are my top three. I can keep going, if you like. I have an entire wall of text outlining concerns about this project (I refuse to call it a game at this point).

 

Topographic I will  help you out this game is not for you.

Mark has said more than once this game is not for everyone it is for a niche that you are not part of.

Will save you time you have posted your hype 1 :)  you have made many many posts that make it very clear to anyone that reads them this game is not for you.

Will save you the time nothing is going to change in the next two weeks that will make you want to jump behind this project so you can move on to something else.

On the other hand if your just here to give people a hard time continue on good Sir, post your wall of text and put this game in its place.

  Comaf

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Joined: 7/13/10
Posts: 1089

I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

4/13/13 12:55:15 PM#48
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

I disagree.  He's not NOT Paul Barnett (Warhammer's spokesperson who reminds me of  Ricky Gervais.....).  My final time with Hammer was when Barnett sarcastically waved off complaints that AOE was out of control.  I turned and posted a video of a Warrior Priest and two Wizards hiding behind a rock in a cavern, aoe nuking down a raid while they laughed their arses off.  Luckily, my post came immediately after the forum link that showed his mocking reply and obvious disconnect to the playerbase.

 

Mr. Jacobs, is a different sort of soul.  What he created with Dark Age was so far beyond anything that has come since 2001 (for shame you 2 faction 5 race class mirroed mmo creators)....that he has every right to express his excitement.

 

See his "flapping" as a state of the union address.  We can't have everything immediately, but at least there is a vision.

  jdnewell

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Joined: 7/04/06
Posts: 1744

4/13/13 1:00:52 PM#49
Originally posted by Docmandu
Originally posted by jdnewell

The Depths did perk my interest some more in this game. But to be honest the rabid fans and the response to any posts that do not rave about CU have more influence on me backing or not. These will be the people you play with.

 

 

About 7000 people have backed the KS, maybe 50 people are on these forums... I'd say that's a rather low sample to make such judgement calls, don't you think?

 

 

True.

I plan on backing. I will be waiting to see how it looks on the last few days. If it has met the goal then honestly I probably wont donate. If its short I will throw in my $50 bucks to help. They have some great ideas that I would like to see come about in a game. Enough so that I am willing to help out on KS for the 1st and probably only time with a project.

  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 6341

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

4/13/13 1:01:12 PM#50

I wouldn't give them any money no matter what they  do,aside from actually finishing and releasing a product ofr me to see.

You know that old saying,TALK IS CHEAP?Well it is true,if this game wants my money,they need to show me a finished product,nothing less will do.

The only realistic viable option would be to offer shares,but i have very little confidence in this title,so even then i would not purchase any shares.

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  Aeodo

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Joined: 3/21/13
Posts: 61

4/13/13 1:07:12 PM#51
Originally posted by Wizardry

I wouldn't give them any money no matter what they  do,aside from actually finishing and releasing a product ofr me to see.

You know that old saying,TALK IS CHEAP?Well it is true,if this game wants my money,they need to show me a finished product,nothing less will do.

The only realistic viable option would be to offer shares,but i have very little confidence in this title,so even then i would not purchase any shares.

So wait December 2015, what else can we say?

  Zinzan

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Joined: 3/03/06
Posts: 1347

4/13/13 1:32:36 PM#52
Originally posted by Aeodo
Originally posted by Wizardry

I wouldn't give them any money no matter what they  do,aside from actually finishing and releasing a product ofr me to see.

You know that old saying,TALK IS CHEAP?Well it is true,if this game wants my money,they need to show me a finished product,nothing less will do.

The only realistic viable option would be to offer shares,but i have very little confidence in this title,so even then i would not purchase any shares.

So wait December 2015, what else can we say?

He's simply answering the question, there is nothing to say.

Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  Vunak23

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4/13/13 1:45:05 PM#53
I might have backed  a project back in 2004 off of a developers word alone. Back when a developers word actually meant something more then what comes out my ass. But anymore. No chance in hell I will until I get my hands on the game in a preview/beta/alpha. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Taldier

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Joined: 11/22/10
Posts: 249

4/13/13 2:25:31 PM#54
Originally posted by Vunak23
I might have backed  a project back in 2004 off of a developers word alone. Back when a developers word actually meant something more then what comes out my ass. But anymore. No chance in hell I will until I get my hands on the game in a preview/beta/alpha. 

This is a really negative attitude.  I cant really fault you for it much after all the crap the game industry has pulled, but if we all act this way the industry is screwed.

Sure it sucks to trust someone or something and have that trust taken advantage of.  But if you then never trust anything ever again, everything just keeps looking worse.  And we'll all just keep getting the same boring cloned crap over and over because nobody is passionate enough to take any risks.

Could I be wasting my money if CSE doesnt make a good game?  Sure.  Could I suddenly die in a fiery car crash tomorrow?  Sure.

Its worth it to me to support this kickstarter because if I hadnt pledged, I'd be spending the next 10 years thinking to myself "what if I could have actually had a really fun game to play if I'd only taken that step?".

  TheJoda

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4/13/13 2:30:07 PM#55
.....honestly this game just needs to go away for now.  With all the threads and posts its clear that the "majority" of us want to SEE something if we are going to "pay" to back it.

....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!

  TheJoda

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4/13/13 2:34:22 PM#56
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Vunak23
I might have backed  a project back in 2004 off of a developers word alone. Back when a developers word actually meant something more then what comes out my ass. But anymore. No chance in hell I will until I get my hands on the game in a preview/beta/alpha. 

This is a really negative attitude.  I cant really fault you for it much after all the crap the game industry has pulled, but if we all act this way the industry is screwed.

Sure it sucks to trust someone or something and have that trust taken advantage of.  But if you then never trust anything ever again, everything just keeps looking worse.  And we'll all just keep getting the same boring cloned crap over and over because nobody is passionate enough to take any risks.

Could I be wasting my money if CSE doesnt make a good game?  Sure.  Could I suddenly die in a fiery car crash tomorrow?  Sure.

Its worth it to me to support this kickstarter because if I hadnt pledged, I'd be spending the next 10 years thinking to myself "what if I could have actually had a really fun game to play if I'd only taken that step?".

......You make vaild points for sure, and I can see where you are trying to come from.

 

But this poster might be jaded like I am from a recient purchase that went to hell, in my opinion.  I am speaking to when I backed the New DFUW......games launch time table was a flat Lie.  The game is NOT even being close to done now as it is getting ready for its LATE launch, and still lacks all major content that was promised by that game developer AV............So I can see how one might NOT trust game developers.

....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!

  rojo6934

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4/13/13 2:35:08 PM#57
Originally posted by binskki
Originally posted by boxsnd
I need to see alpha access at $30 before I give them my money.

If it's helpful, Mark Jacobs has said repeatedly that people who pledge at other tiers but show on the forums that they are active and interested in giving feedback are likely to be invited as testers.

key word in yellow.

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  User Deleted
4/13/13 2:39:09 PM#58
Originally posted by Binafus
Originally posted by topographic
Originally posted by SimplyAg3
Originally posted by topographic
I need to see more...a lot more.

What kinds of things would help convince you? 

A project plan with timelines.

Something more than a bulleted list of features found in one MMO or another. The Google doc is nothing more than that. I would have been more impressed if it was titled, "Game features you will find in MMOs. Part 1: Overview".

A FAQ that provides more than definitions for the above mentioned features.

Those are my top three. I can keep going, if you like. I have an entire wall of text outlining concerns about this project (I refuse to call it a game at this point).

 

Topographic I will  help you out this game is not for you.

Mark has said more than once this game is not for everyone it is for a niche that you are not part of.

Will save you time you have posted your hype 1 :)  you have made many many posts that make it very clear to anyone that reads them this game is not for you.

Will save you the time nothing is going to change in the next two weeks that will make you want to jump behind this project so you can move on to something else.

On the other hand if your just here to give people a hard time continue on good Sir, post your wall of text and put this game in its place.

This game design is exactly what I'm looking for in an MMO. My problem is strictly with the execution, or more accurately the lack of it. I want Mark Jacobs to step up to the plate and show me something to throw my hard-earned money behind, which he is clearly NOT doing. I would expect more from someone who claims to be a seasoned game designer, and I stress the word 'claims'.

So take your own advice. If you don't like what I have to say, why not move along and resist the urge to rant at someone who disagrees with your fanboyism. The phrase, "this game is not for you" is the new "derp".  N'est-ce pas?

  Benedikt

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4/13/13 3:22:01 PM#59
Originally posted by topographic

This game design is exactly what I'm looking for in an MMO. My problem is strictly with the execution, or more accurately the lack of it. I want Mark Jacobs to step up to the plate and show me something to throw my hard-earned money behind, which he is clearly NOT doing. I would expect more from someone who claims to be a seasoned game designer, and I stress the word 'claims'.

So take your own advice. If you don't like what I have to say, why not move along and resist the urge to rant at someone who disagrees with your fanboyism. The phrase, "this game is not for you" is the new "derp".  N'est-ce pas?

its quite ironic - you are not willing to spend few bucks on the game that may or may not get released, but you want MJ to spend tens and possible hundreds of thousand on a game for which there may or may not be enough interest

  User Deleted
4/13/13 3:30:30 PM#60
Originally posted by Benedikt
Originally posted by topographic

This game design is exactly what I'm looking for in an MMO. My problem is strictly with the execution, or more accurately the lack of it. I want Mark Jacobs to step up to the plate and show me something to throw my hard-earned money behind, which he is clearly NOT doing. I would expect more from someone who claims to be a seasoned game designer, and I stress the word 'claims'.

So take your own advice. If you don't like what I have to say, why not move along and resist the urge to rant at someone who disagrees with your fanboyism. The phrase, "this game is not for you" is the new "derp".  N'est-ce pas?

its quite ironic - you are not willing to spend few bucks on the game that may or may not get released, but you want MJ to spend tens and possible hundreds of thousand on a game for which there may or may not be enough interest

He's the business owner. That's his problem, not mine. He can do market research to determine interest. I'm not interested in buying promises. 

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