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  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
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joie de vivre

 
OP  4/12/13 5:29:27 PM#1

I'm curious...see below.

How did the info on The Depths effect you?

I decided to back CU
I need to see more before I back CU
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  Dren_Utogi

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Posts: 1468

4/12/13 5:33:31 PM#2
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  gylnne

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Joined: 3/19/07
Posts: 324

4/12/13 5:49:31 PM#3
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

Amazing how devs are damned if the do and damned if they don't:P

Complaint in many mmo's the devs won't listen and talk to us!

or it's I wish the devs would quit talking to us!

lol

  naezgul

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Joined: 3/15/13
Posts: 389

4/12/13 5:53:14 PM#4
Originally posted by gylnne
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

Amazing how devs are damned if the do and damned if they don't:P

Complaint in many mmo's the devs won't listen and talk to us!

or it's I wish the devs would quit talking to us!

lol

He wants to see a finished reviewed game(rating 8.5+) , then he will fund KS

  Cypz

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4/12/13 5:53:37 PM#5
Originally posted by gylnne
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

Amazing how devs are damned if the do and damned if they don't:P

Complaint in many mmo's the devs won't listen and talk to us!

or it's I wish the devs would quit talking to us!

lol

lmao.  I prefer the devs "lips flapping" then igoring us and not informing us of what is happening.  Also, MJ and CSE are promoting a Kickstarter.  Do you really think they should sit back and just wait to see if it gets funded or market the games foundations and goals??

Go CSE Go!

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  boxsnd

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Joined: 10/04/12
Posts: 399

4/12/13 5:55:45 PM#6
I need to see alpha access at $30 before I give them my money.

DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann

  Lawtoween

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Joined: 3/05/13
Posts: 104

4/12/13 5:56:40 PM#7
Originally posted by Cypz
Originally posted by gylnne
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

Amazing how devs are damned if the do and damned if they don't:P

Complaint in many mmo's the devs won't listen and talk to us!

or it's I wish the devs would quit talking to us!

lol

lmao.  I prefer the devs "lips flapping" then igoring us and not informing us of what is happening.  Also, MJ and CSE are promoting a Kickstarter.  Do you really think they should sit back and just wait to see if it gets funded or market the games foundations and goals??

Go CSE Go!

+1

There'll be plenty of time for coding after CU funds.

  Kyleran

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Posts: 18933

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4/12/13 6:29:03 PM#8
I'd be happier if it was part of the core product rather than a stretch goal, but I'll still likely toss them some cash.

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  binskki

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Joined: 3/23/13
Posts: 154

"I just die so fast it's hard to position myself. :)"

4/12/13 7:34:43 PM#9
Originally posted by boxsnd
I need to see alpha access at $30 before I give them my money.

If it's helpful, Mark Jacobs has said repeatedly that people who pledge at other tiers but show on the forums that they are active and interested in giving feedback are likely to be invited as testers.

  Taldier

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Joined: 11/22/10
Posts: 249

4/12/13 9:32:26 PM#10
Originally posted by boxsnd
I need to see alpha access at $30 before I give them my money.

These sorts of comments are really indicative of a misunderstanding of what alpha is.  Other games on Kickstarter give everybody alpha access, but those games are actually pretty much finished.  Thats not alpha.  Alpha is already over for them.  Its been done without you.  Those companies are just looking for extra hype and some funding to push some extra features in before the product ships out the door.

 

CU's kickstarter is coming in at the ground floor.  Development is just starting and wont be done until the end of 2015.  Alpha means there are still going to be lots of problems and bugs and probably tons of changes before the final product is pushed out.  They dont want some absurd number of people in alpha because then their small team of people would have to sort out all the worthless comments from the useful criticism and bug reports.  They dont want people raging about the game online saying it sucks just because they saw an incomplete version of it and are too dumb to realize its not finished yet.

  Gyrus

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Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 2322

4/13/13 1:15:19 AM#11
Originally posted by binskki
Originally posted by boxsnd
I need to see alpha access at $30 before I give them my money.

If it's helpful, Mark Jacobs has said repeatedly that people who pledge at other tiers but show on the forums that they are active and interested in giving feedback are likely to be invited as testers.

These two quotes in themselves are part of the reason I don't think Mark Jacobs can make this work. 

Getting / allowing people to pay for access to 'testing' - bad.

Encouraging "Fanboi-ism" - bad.  Particularly amongst testers - very bad.  If you want objective testers who are actually prepared to say... nah don't like that... have you thought of this?  Or go out of their way to 'break the game' and show up the devs lack of planning / forethought / bad design / bad mechanics.

It isn't hard to think of a few MMOs in the past few years that have got to release and found massive holes in their games - why?  Because Fanbois aren't objective.  They still really believe that there will be a massive "Launch Day Patch" that fixes everything.  Everything that is wrong - that no-one dared to mention least they be labeled a "troll" or a "h8ter".

And Mark Jacobs talks big - but I really don't think he really has any idea how to make things work if his first plan doesn't work?  I saw which way war was going after the open Beta (posted it here too).  But Mark put his faith in that it would sort itself out IIRC?  Well - it didn't.  

Tri-realm will balance the game!  Will it?  Why?  and what happens if it doesn't?  What's the backup to prevent servers being over-run by one dominant realm?

Because I can tell you for a fact that there are 'tri-realm" games out there that are far from balanced.  And with MMOs all over the place most people (except a few hardcores) won't stick around just to be a target. 

 

I read about Camelot Unchained and the ideas in Mark's head and I like it... because I have similar ideas in my head.  In fact I have a game in my head  that is even more awesome than CU.  And the one in my head is far more realistic too - since I have already figured out how to solve many of the problems of RvR MMOs (I think).  And I have more realistic goals than CU too.

But that's the thing - it's in my head.  And like CU - unless I at least get to Alpha I won't really know for sure if all my ideas are truely feasible.  And unless I get to Beta I won't know if players will find loopholes I haven't even considered.

 

 

Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.

  Zinzan

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Joined: 3/03/06
Posts: 1368

4/13/13 2:25:23 AM#12

Yes, for me it is.

This concept is simply brilliant, it's a game changer for me.

Ask me 2 weeks ago if I would back this KS, I'd say no, not a chance.....now? Well, now I'm seriously considering it.

Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  Thorbrand

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Joined: 3/06/04
Posts: 1217

4/13/13 2:28:46 AM#13

I have no intention of backing a game that is exploiting a classic for its own gains when there isn't any actual data on the game but words and words are just that.

I also don't intend to back a PvP only game that thinks it has the right to be called a MMO. Plenty of PvP only games out there to play in a open wold all I want already.

Don't forget it is going to be more like GW2 WvWvW than it will be like DAoC RvR.

Would never back this idea no matter how much I loved DAoC.

  Melloz

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Joined: 3/25/13
Posts: 26

4/13/13 3:01:20 AM#14
Originally posted by Gyrus
Originally posted by binskki
Originally posted by boxsnd
I need to see alpha access at $30 before I give them my money.

If it's helpful, Mark Jacobs has said repeatedly that people who pledge at other tiers but show on the forums that they are active and interested in giving feedback are likely to be invited as testers.

These two quotes in themselves are part of the reason I don't think Mark Jacobs can make this work. 

Getting / allowing people to pay for access to 'testing' - bad.

Encouraging "Fanboi-ism" - bad.  Particularly amongst testers - very bad.  If you want objective testers who are actually prepared to say... nah don't like that... have you thought of this?  Or go out of their way to 'break the game' and show up the devs lack of planning / forethought / bad design / bad mechanics.

It isn't hard to think of a few MMOs in the past few years that have got to release and found massive holes in their games - why?  Because Fanbois aren't objective.  They still really believe that there will be a massive "Launch Day Patch" that fixes everything.  Everything that is wrong - that no-one dared to mention least they be labeled a "troll" or a "h8ter".

And Mark Jacobs talks big - but I really don't think he really has any idea how to make things work if his first plan doesn't work?  I saw which way war was going after the open Beta (posted it here too).  But Mark put his faith in that it would sort itself out IIRC?  Well - it didn't.  

Tri-realm will balance the game!  Will it?  Why?  and what happens if it doesn't?  What's the backup to prevent servers being over-run by one dominant realm?

Because I can tell you for a fact that there are 'tri-realm" games out there that are far from balanced.  And with MMOs all over the place most people (except a few hardcores) won't stick around just to be a target. 

 

I read about Camelot Unchained and the ideas in Mark's head and I like it... because I have similar ideas in my head.  In fact I have a game in my head  that is even more awesome than CU.  And the one in my head is far more realistic too - since I have already figured out how to solve many of the problems of RvR MMOs (I think).  And I have more realistic goals than CU too.

But that's the thing - it's in my head.  And like CU - unless I at least get to Alpha I won't really know for sure if all my ideas are truely feasible.  And unless I get to Beta I won't know if players will find loopholes I haven't even considered.

 

 

And the only way you can find out is if you get the money to get the game to a state to see if the ideas are truely feasible.  There are many ways to do this.  You can go to a big corporate developer and sell them on it.  They are going to make you change what you want to get better and better numbers for their shareholders though.  You can go to a small group of heavy investors.  You give up a lot of your stake though.  I also get the impression that not many large investors are willing to risk money on this type of game.  Too niche, too risky, high return not guaranteed.  You can fund it yourself if you have enough money and can get the loans necessary.  That's a huge risk though.  Or, you can sell your idea through a Kickstarter, maintain control over the idea, and only risk the ire of your backers.

 

Now I can perfectly understand why people would be against putting money into something that could fail.  I'm usually like that.  I think it means a lot that MJ will put in $2M of his money.  I also am convinced that this type of game can't be made without a project like this.  I also fear that this kickstarter failing would only ensure that's true.  It would prove the neysayers right.

  nakki

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Joined: 4/01/04
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4/13/13 3:35:21 AM#15
I can't see myself ever backing a game
  Gendark

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4/13/13 3:56:45 AM#16

 

First i backed this project, some friends made me do it ...  but after some days we all retired our pledge.

Why ??

This game is just smoke and mirrors, nothing more nothing less, just an idea in MJs head, comunity in CU  seem to give him all the  credit for daoc like if only him made the game but then they say we need to forgive him for all the wrongs (TOA, WAR, etc..) or just they werent his fault. 

Also 98% of kickstarter games have a base or atleast people spent some money doing a prototype of the game. CU has nothing, and MJs politic of "i will put my 2m $  on the table when i already have other peoples money in my bag" its just bad. 

If you really belive in your project you spent money and resources right away and don't wait and see what happens if...

On topic, the depths are just more of the same, Smoke and mirrors he will say all he had to say to attract more people to his cause.

I really like the idea of a DAOC 2 with darkness falls, but i really hope CU kickstarter FAILS to be funded, it doesn't deserves the money right now. So if it fails, maybe MJ and his team with spent HIS money on doing a prototype to show something to people and do another kickstarter in few months, and then i will back it up.

  Docmandu

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4/13/13 4:11:43 AM#17
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Don't forget it is going to be more like GW2 WvWvW than it will be like DAoC RvR.

 

Care to elaborate on that?! Because from what I've heard so far, it's pretty much the other way round. (maps, mechanics.. as we have no clue about the combat yet)

 

 

  Axxar

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Joined: 12/09/08
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4/13/13 4:11:46 AM#18
It's definitely pushed me further towards backing. The game sounds more and more interesting. My beef with it so far is the game is so early in development they're not actually able to show any gameplay.

Currently playing: Divinity: Original Sin, FTL, Hearthstone and Skyrim.
Eagerly anticipating: Camelot Unchained, Elite: Dangerous, Legend of Grimrock 2 and Star Citizen.

  mmoski

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4/13/13 4:38:13 AM#19

I actually really like the idea of the Depths, but I think he needs to change the name, the only issue I have is why is this a stretch goal ?!  This sounds like a key component of RvR and will add a huge amount of tactical RvR game play. IMO since there is no PvE in CU, this should have been in the core design, I would prefer the stretch goals stick to minor additions, and stager them more frequently.

But yeah a nice addition, still on the fence though, want more indepth info on the fluid combat system.

  Benedikt

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4/13/13 4:44:42 AM#20
Originally posted by gylnne
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
less of MJ's lips flapping, more work on the project. MJ will sink his own boat with those loose lips.

Amazing how devs are damned if the do and damned if they don't:P

Complaint in many mmo's the devs won't listen and talk to us!

or it's I wish the devs would quit talking to us!

lol

just ignore him. he appearently doesnt like MJ (see this http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5661936#5661936) so he is trolling every thread about CU.

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