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  FromHell

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4/12/13 2:37:52 PM#21

Holy smokes, why does this guy attract so many hater trolls? Stop acting like he stole your money and ran off.

Guess the most vocal posters haven't even backed the project. Let him do his indie project and stop the flaming, go back bashing your favourite victim EA, at least EA is not a person.

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  Bigdaddyx

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4/12/13 2:39:35 PM#22

Come on guys. He replied ina very resonable tone and i don't see why he is getting flamed? only because he is a dev does it mean he has to keep on taking insults and abuse? who made this rule that devs can not speak their mind in public forums?

I will take a game developer like him who is not afraid to speak his mind over the robotic PR people who ssay and write exactly what they are taught.

Really sad and immature to flame him like this.

  remyburke

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4/12/13 2:55:20 PM#23
I can't for the life of me figure out why he keeps responding. Like a moth to a flame... Literally.

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  Amana

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4/12/13 3:12:41 PM#24

Guys, plain calling out fellow members of this community, even if they are the subject of the editorial, is not cool. What is fine is disagreeing or expressing opinions about details, but personally flaming others is against the rules here and will be removed. If you have an opinion on the situation or the editorial, go right ahead. 

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  Razeekster

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4/12/13 3:26:35 PM#25
Originally posted by Mogus

Victor, your article was well written and recieved. I come from the school of earning ones respect, not blind respect. I've never been the guy to poke fun at disabled children or people who couldn't defend themselves. I was the guy defending them. The internet is a very different place where people in the position of development are expected to be flamed, trolled, lied about and the like while simply bowing and saying thank you, otherwise, they are branded as bad business men, arrogant and any other derogatory title. I simply don't agree with this and I can't pretend to for the sake of my "reputation". The fact remains, I'm honest, very hard working and we are making great leaps of progress on Greed Monger and that progress alone should be what the public uses to establish their opinions on Greed Monger, not how I personally handle an endless list of tirades, slander, defamation and insults all of which are baseless and unfounded that honestly shouldn't be so freely allowed on anywebsite targeting anyone, let alone me.

I appreciate your letter and I'm sure you are very accurate in how things are in the anonymous mosh pit of mmorpg discussion forums, however, that doesnt mean I or anyone should just accept it for what it is and deal with it. It needs to change. I've always said, those who point the finger the most are often the ones with the most to side. It's just how it is in the real world.

Thank you for your letter.

You just do not get it! You threaten people, telling them you'll sue them, call their employeers and make sure they get fired. These are normal people that most likely need their jobs, and thier livelyhoods are getting threatened for what? For using their right of freedom of speech. You cannot legally sue anyone for using freedom of speech and thinking that you can makes you look (yes, I will say it and MMORPG.com can get mad at me) extremely pompous and conceited. You are one of the big reasons that me and other people are afraid to back up Kickstarters.

 

The fact that you seemed to have learned absolutely nothing from this is even more worrisome and honestly makes me think that you have some anger issues that you need to get worked on. I just feel bad for all the Kickstarters that did back your project and I hope that Kickstarter bans you from being allowed to try and use their website for any future projects.

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  Sovrath

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4/12/13 3:59:27 PM#26
Originally posted by Mogus

 

The internet is a very different place where people in the position of development are expected to be flamed, trolled, lied about and the like while simply bowing and saying thank you, otherwise, they are branded as bad business men, arrogant and any other derogatory title. I simply don't agree with this and I can't pretend to for the sake of my "reputation".

It takes absolutely no effort to put on the "professional face" and say "I appreciate your opinion X and we will continualy work on Greedmonger so that in the end it proves itself to be the game everyone expected and wanted."

or, just not say anything at all.

And as I've mentioned in another post, the best way to silence naysayers is to just "be great". By showing a professional face, by being timely with updates, by putting out a great product, you let your work speak for itself.

 

  Iselin

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4/12/13 5:46:51 PM#27

First, let me say that I have zero interest in Greedmonger and have very serious doubts about Mr. Appleton's ability to make it happen--same way I feel about the majority of KS MMO projects. Having said that...

I had a front-row seat for some of the posts in the now-defunct Greedmonger forum here when a few weeks back I went there out of curiosity.

I saw some outrageous personal attacks against Appleton that seemed to linger in the forum for days without mod edits. This was in sharp contrast to the ever-vigilant moderation that I see in all forums when 2 or more regular posters get into a pissing match... not to mention the fact that personal attacks directed at developers and their integrity is commonplace in all forums here.

As far as I can tell personal attacks directed at developers that are not forum participants are OK. Those agains developers who participate in the forums a little less so. The only ones that seem to be an absolute no-no are the ones directed at other non-developer forum posters... curious.

Another odd thing about this site is the timing of creating a forum to discuss something that resembles an MMO (there are a lot of forums for RPGs with online compnents that are hard to describe as MMOs...but that's a different story for anoher day.) On the one hand we have MMOs that are developed for 5 or 6 years before the developers decide it's time to reveal it to the public--this is the typical case with mainstream AAA MMOs. But it seems like a forum can be created to discuss something that is just someone's dream and nothing else.

There are a few exceptions: Titan and EQ Next come to mind. But the track record of those two development teams are solid. There's no reason to doubt that they will get developed.

So we have some forums here with people discussing what exists and is nearly finished and other forums where people discuss what might exist in a few years if all the stars align properly.

A lot of the non-personal criticism I saw in the Greedmonger forum when I visited boiled down to" "You got nothing... show us." Well, duh. That is the nature of things that get announced when they go to KS with nothing more than some concept art, some ideas and, if we're lucky a very rough video.

Appleton's mistakes? He participated in the forum here. He fought back. He doesn't do internet very well. Otherwise, his KS pipedream is no more nor less solid than the vast majority of other projects with their own little forums here. 

  Arglebargle

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4/12/13 6:01:34 PM#28
The Greedmonger saga is almost the definition of vainglory.....

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  MumboJumbo

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4/12/13 6:43:17 PM#29

Rule 1. with working with public: Put on the persona of charitable as a mask.

Concerning games and comments and drama: It's a level up from youtube!

  Leethe

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4/12/13 8:17:12 PM#30
He doen't know a guy maned Gary Whiting, does he?

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  User Deleted
4/12/13 9:41:04 PM#31
Jason are you really 7 ft tall and 280lbs? You're a big dude! 
  mackdawg19

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4/12/13 9:47:12 PM#32
I have no clue what Greed Monger is or was or will be, but I can easily tell someone needs to hire a PR person like Yesterday! And Jason, as a devoted MMA fan of both UFC and the old Strikeforce I have only heard your name a few times, and it was not in a good way. May want to stop saying that and just get your PR person now. You may have been a great salesman back in the day, but your an owner now, act like it please.
  Slapshot1188

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4/12/13 9:52:21 PM#33

What is funny is that this guy has threatened MULTIPLE people with lawsuits (go check out his kickstarters..) but as far as I can tell he is all talk.  If he has any credibility he would have actually had to follow through on his threats.  Thus, any damage to his credibility is self-inflicted....

 

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  Ginaz

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4/12/13 10:16:35 PM#34
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

What is funny is that this guy has threatened MULTIPLE people with lawsuits (go check out his kickstarters..) but as far as I can tell he is all talk.  If he has any credibility he would have actually had to follow through on his threats.  Thus, any damage to his credibility is self-inflicted....

 

I wonder where he would get the money to hire a lawyer for a law suit?  Would he use the Kickstarter money?

Personally, I'd be more inclined to give money to Melisa Joan Hart's Kickstarter to make a crappy movie for her. 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/318676760/darcis-walk-of-shame?ref=live

http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2013/04/12/20734071-wenn-story.html

Greedmonger looks like its either going to be vaporware or just plain hot garbage.  As for its creator, he is giving off a very strong internet tough guy/braggart vibe.  Is saying he is invloved in MMA supposed to make us go "Oh, shit son!  This guy sounds tough as f**k!"?  What was his "involvement" in MMA?  Did he manage the website for them?  Hand out flyers?  He should stop making thinly veiled threats to sue or get people fired as it just makes him look like a horrible person.

BTW, all of the above was just my opinion and thoughts.  No need to call your lawyers, Mr.Appleton.

 

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  ElectricWizard

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4/12/13 11:54:26 PM#35
Originally posted by FromHell
The whole Greed Monger project reminds me a lot of the Camelot Unchained project. Projects with lots of talk and almost nothing to show. Not my cup of tea, tbh

apparently, there are lots of dummies in Hell.

  Fugglier

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4/12/13 11:57:36 PM#36
I almost fell out of my chair laughing when i saw the phrase "open letter" coming form mmorpg. 

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  Quizzical

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4/13/13 12:01:27 AM#37
Originally posted by bartoni33

First off I am a backer of this ...game. I regret this now. This game will be vaporware for sure. Mr. Appleton is in over his head so much he will be crushed from the pressure. FFS he was nowhere near finished with this ...game and he had the nerve/gall/stupidity to start on another one (not funded but good try Appleton): http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/appleton/billy-bolts-my-fathers-keeper

If I had known (my fault for not reading up I guess) that his previous gigs were MMA musclehead/whatever-the-hell-he-did-with-that-nonsense and a "male enhancement" snake oil salesman I would have stayed far away. So don't be surprised by his unprofessional attitude Mr. Advocate. And don't be surprised by any unprofessional comments he makes regarding this article either.

 

Oh my.  You've got one kickstarter backed and are supposedly working on it but haven't yet delivered what you promised... so hurry out and start another one hoping people will pay you to spend your time on some other project, too?

  IstrebiteI

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4/13/13 12:40:37 AM#38

I'm sorry to say a blatant straight truth, but mr appleton is right. He did right to threaten a troll and if more people threaten (and execute their threats) trolls, we will have less trolls and a more positive community. No sense of responsibility is a very bad situation, and it needs to change. You throw around insults and unchecked information and ruin someone else's reputation online? Pay for it! That's good practice. Punishing trolls IS good practice.

 

Guys, we're not seeing a disabled person being threatened. Not a black person being threatened. Not a minority. We are seing an evil person being stopped from commiting more evil. Do you hate those who threat murderers, rapists, drug dealers? No, we love them, we pay them money (taxes) and we hope they threat them even more so they stop doing their evil ways!

 

Is it a problem that this game isn't liste on some website that is a pit of snakes really (I mean, open the topic that announces start of KS campaign for CU, first post in reply to "back this project now" - "NO", or open any thread about Mortal Online, etc).... Ehh, not so much. Again, if I'd be banned from a community of murderers, rapists and thieves, would I be missing that? No thank you. I never wanted to have anything to do with those people anyway. Mr appleton and his game was banned from MMORPG? The way community here is, that's good PR for mr appleton.

 

Bottom line, if his game kicks ass and works out, he won't care wether or not mmorpg hosts his game in its insanely big list that includes games that arent mmorpgs at all (like LoL?). If his game sucks balls, again, it wouldn't matter wether or not his game is listed on mmorpg. Probably would even be good since less people would badmouth his failure. Win-win.

 

PS: Trolls think they control the internet and have a right to troll. This has to stop. You have a right to troll - anyone has a right to punch you in that troll face of yours and break a few bones of yours. Then troll to your heart's content. Way to go, mr appleton.

 
  Dreamo84

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4/13/13 12:56:16 AM#39
Jason Appleton's feelings got hurt on the internet once...once.

  GreenHell

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4/13/13 1:14:16 AM#40

I really don't care about Greed Monger and had never even heard of it before this whole soap opera started. I will say though that his posts and the responses to them were amazing entertainment. I have never seen someone in his postion dig so deep of a hole for himself and then when told he wasn't making the situation any better he just kept going. It was a train wreck of pure enjoyment for me.

I really never thought anyone could alienate their (future) player base any more than SOE had. I was wrong. This guy doesn't even have a game to screw up yet and people hate him. I hope this thing makes it to launch. The entertainment value on these forums alone would be incredible.

This guy is the poster child of what not to do if your developing a game.

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