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  lordtwisted

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4/12/13 11:27:11 AM#21
Originally posted by Umbrood

Thing with AJ is, he kind of knows gaming and games, and he earns a living by being honest, and lets face it, angry.

Toalbiscuit is much the same, only a tad more arrogant, but hey, he is brittish!

And even though I do not always agree with AJ's conclusions, most of his arguments are hard to refute.

I would give Defiance a 6 or 7, but still based on the exact same premises.

The review is spot on, but, to me, it is worth a point or two more.

Its all in how you value each point.

 I have been playing games longer than this reviewer has been alive, and have more experience in the industry than this reviewer does.  

 In the majority of the games I bothered to try and judge the success or failure of I have been right. I do not however have the personality, or the skills needed to professionaly review games...

  I discussed it with one magazine editor at E3 several years ago and he told me what they pay for written reviews, and it would not be worth the time involved to come up with a well rounded unbiased review.  The only real perk would be the early access to games, and having been a game tester at one point I would not want to relive those days.

Not so nice guy!

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:27:15 AM#22

I mean there was actually no game play or really game related content in the guys video.

Spends the whole video trashing the lore, which is fine since theres not much out there right now anyway.

Shows a bug that...well i dont know looks bad but has never happend to me, not sure if thats been fixed...i think it has though

 

Then goes on to be angry about patcher error, i would be if it had happend to me i guess.

Then complains about not knowing much and the tie in being short, like he doesnt realize the tv show hasnt started, only he does.

 

And then...well he complains about the data recorders being hidden.

 

Ok.  Step back and look at what the guy trashed.  Doesnt like the scifi lore obviously, not a fan of the races in the lore.  Hates patcher error (who wouldnt though?)  Doesnt like that the Tie in before the show starts is significant.  Hates exploring for lore.

 

If this is gamebreaking for you please dont play.

 

On a side note.  Isnt a review, or shouldnt a review of the game like...cover the game and gameplay (which i think is outstanding)?

Doesnt this strike anyone as odd how nothing that was reviewed has much to do with the game itself?  I mean i get this is going to aid haters in proving the game sucks and they are right to hate it.  I get thats why the post was made.  But i mean at least pawn this off as a review on defiance lore and logging in / character creation. 

Just because the game doesnt give you every bit of lore right off the bat with a 4 hour movie or whatever doesnt make the game shit.  Perhaps he will watch the show and play bit more of the game, include the mechanics and actual gameplay, and then trash the game itself not what seems to be a rushed review with no substance regarding the actual game.  Hell he couldnt even reproduce the graphic bug and had to use someone elses video of the ATV going under ground.  Doesnt that seem strange to do?

 

I know people are going to hate the game, but this review...its not even a review of the game defiance...

 

Oh and i hate the big forhead race too, seems to ruin what i suspect to be some really fine looking girls lol.

 

Anyway, even if this guy were to make a fawning review of the game, if he did it in the same manner as he made this "review" i wouldnt be interested.  Theres plenty of people who actually review games and you leave their youtube channel with a good feel for the game, and a good idea as to what to expect.  This viedo is more about him yelling and swearing and when he rand out of things to yell about the video ends.  Wouldnt watch this guy again if this is how all his videos are, and probably a reason ive never heard of him before.

 

  rojoArcueid

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

4/12/13 11:33:40 AM#23

I am really enjoying Defiance but i agree with every point Angry Joe mentioned about the game. Just because i really like Defiance doesnt mean i have to be blind and not see it needs all of those improvements.

 

Trion improved Rift over time so i hope they improve Defiance over time too with lots of new content and tweaks. Since Defiance is a PvE shooter its a lot more fun than Rift in my opinion so new and varied content will feel better here.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:34:26 AM#24
Originally posted by DMKano

AngryJoe , I actually met him and talked to him in RL. You have to understand that his fans like lots of angry harsh criticism, otherwise nobody would be watching him.

Just remember when you watch or read reviews, they are often more about attracting views,  first and foremost. And a highly biased angry review gets a lot of page hits.

Angryjoe gets his views through harsh criticism, he admitted to this in person, he tried a nice approach and nobody cared.

Now I agree with some things he said, no doubt, but 5/10 for angry Joe is more like 7/10 in reality for most. 

But entertaining review, very biased and overly harsh as usual, but who watches angry joe for objectivity?

 

Ya after all we are getting post from posters who prob dont even play Defiance for that matter and They just want to ride the coat tail of "Angry Joe" So this thread has no grounds.

  lordtwisted

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Joined: 9/24/04
Posts: 564

4/12/13 11:36:40 AM#25
Originally posted by BrownAle

I mean there was actually no game play or really game related content in the guys video.

Spends the whole video trashing the lore, which is fine since theres not much out there right now anyway.

Shows a bug that...well i dont know looks bad but has never happend to me, not sure if thats been fixed...i think it has though

 

Then goes on to be angry about patcher error, i would be if it had happend to me i guess.

Then complains about not knowing much and the tie in being short, like he doesnt realize the tv show hasnt started, only he does.

 

And then...well he complains about the data recorders being hidden.

 

Ok.  Step back and look at what the guy trashed.  Doesnt like the scifi lore obviously, not a fan of the races in the lore.  Hates patcher error (who wouldnt though?)  Doesnt like that the Tie in before the show starts is significant.  Hates exploring for lore.

 

If this is gamebreaking for you please dont play.

 

On a side note.  Isnt a review, or shouldnt a review of the game like...cover the game and gameplay (which i think is outstanding)?

Doesnt this strike anyone as odd how nothing that was reviewed has much to do with the game itself?  I mean i get this is going to aid haters in proving the game sucks and they are right to hate it.  I get thats why the post was made.  But i mean at least pawn this off as a review on defiance lore and logging in / character creation. 

Just because the game doesnt give you every bit of lore right off the bat with a 4 hour movie or whatever doesnt make the game shit.  Perhaps he will watch the show and play bit more of the game, include the mechanics and actual gameplay, and then trash the game itself not what seems to be a rushed review with no substance regarding the actual game.  Hell he couldnt even reproduce the graphic bug and had to use someone elses video of the ATV going under ground.  Doesnt that seem strange to do?

 

I know people are going to hate the game, but this review...its not even a review of the game defiance...

 

Oh and i hate the big forhead race too, seems to ruin what i suspect to be some really fine looking girls lol.

 

Anyway, even if this guy were to make a fawning review of the game, if he did it in the same manner as he made this "review" i wouldnt be interested.  Theres plenty of people who actually review games and you leave their youtube channel with a good feel for the game, and a good idea as to what to expect.  This viedo is more about him yelling and swearing and when he rand out of things to yell about the video ends.  Wouldnt watch this guy again if this is how all his videos are, and probably a reason ive never heard of him before.

 

 I chuckle everytime I hear the argument of thelore isn't there, or no story, and one guy said thee is no depth to the races...

 Syfy had a linguistics specialist, make new languages for the newly created alien races of the show, as well as religious, and cultural aspects for each race. 

 Anyone that has take lingustics, and one or two cultural classes in college knows the depth of what these people created.

Not so nice guy!

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:38:47 AM#26
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by DeaconX

Speaking of the TV series, I really hope it's much better than this game turned out to be.

 

Keep in mind that this is Trion, Rift at launch was a pretty weak WoW clone, look at it now - the game is far ahead of WoW in many aspects.

Even AngryJoe admits that it is worth revisiting, as he knows what Trion is capable of doing.

These posters that attack a game have nothing better to do. Only reason they do so is because they wanted Rift to be the WoW killer it was not so now they are left standing in the rain crying about Trion.

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:43:46 AM#27
Originally posted by Umbrood

Thing with AJ is, he kind of knows gaming and games, and he earns a living by being honest, and lets face it, angry.

Toalbiscuit is much the same, only a tad more arrogant, but hey, he is brittish!

And even though I do not always agree with AJ's conclusions, most of his arguments are hard to refute.

I would give Defiance a 6 or 7, but still based on the exact same premises.

The review is spot on, but, to me, it is worth a point or two more.

Its all in how you value each point.

Both AJ and biscuit remind me of Angry Dad from The Simpsons. That about how much entertianment vaule I put into these kind of people.

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:47:30 AM#28
Originally posted by lordtwisted
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Why are some so offended by a negative review of a game they like ?
No one expects anything to be perfect , but people are allowed to point out flaws and not like a game.
I bought the game and think its "ok" , but honestly , some of the fanboys of this game and the upcoming Camelot game come across morie idiotic than any "haters" I've seen.
Seems odd to me to throw a fit because some dont like X game and say so.

 The problem is that people are ready to label anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs. 

 There are only three posters on this forums that I would claim have been trolling, or hating on Defiance. The only reason they get up in the morning is to come on here and stir the pot. 

 I got labeled a fanboy right out the gate becuase I pointed out that cm01 was a troll account who posted 50 post in two days, and started multiple thread for no other purpose than to bash the game. 

I like the game, it's certainly lacking in areas, and the chat system is almost inexcusable. 

 But 5/10? I disagree. 

 I would be more of a 7/10 myself, but I don't do reviews, nor could I. I don't have the personality to attract viewers.

But you have the personality to attract the truth. TY man you speak the truth. I will back you up every time dude.

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:51:37 AM#29
Originally posted by lordtwisted
Originally posted by Umbrood

Thing with AJ is, he kind of knows gaming and games, and he earns a living by being honest, and lets face it, angry.

Toalbiscuit is much the same, only a tad more arrogant, but hey, he is brittish!

And even though I do not always agree with AJ's conclusions, most of his arguments are hard to refute.

I would give Defiance a 6 or 7, but still based on the exact same premises.

The review is spot on, but, to me, it is worth a point or two more.

Its all in how you value each point.

 I have been playing games longer than this reviewer has been alive, and have more experience in the industry than this reviewer does.  

 In the majority of the games I bothered to try and judge the success or failure of I have been right. I do not however have the personality, or the skills needed to professionaly review games...

  I discussed it with one magazine editor at E3 several years ago and he told me what they pay for written reviews, and it would not be worth the time involved to come up with a well rounded unbiased review.  The only real perk would be the early access to games, and having been a game tester at one point I would not want to relive those days.

Thats it in a nutshell, Nagative reviews like it or not will draw attention to whatever and for better or worse will make money for both parties involved.

  User Deleted
4/12/13 11:54:13 AM#30
Originally posted by BrownAle

I mean there was actually no game play or really game related content in the guys video.

Spends the whole video trashing the lore, which is fine since theres not much out there right now anyway.

Shows a bug that...well i dont know looks bad but has never happend to me, not sure if thats been fixed...i think it has though

 

Then goes on to be angry about patcher error, i would be if it had happend to me i guess.

Then complains about not knowing much and the tie in being short, like he doesnt realize the tv show hasnt started, only he does.

 

And then...well he complains about the data recorders being hidden.

 

Ok.  Step back and look at what the guy trashed.  Doesnt like the scifi lore obviously, not a fan of the races in the lore.  Hates patcher error (who wouldnt though?)  Doesnt like that the Tie in before the show starts is significant.  Hates exploring for lore.

 

If this is gamebreaking for you please dont play.

 

On a side note.  Isnt a review, or shouldnt a review of the game like...cover the game and gameplay (which i think is outstanding)?

Doesnt this strike anyone as odd how nothing that was reviewed has much to do with the game itself?  I mean i get this is going to aid haters in proving the game sucks and they are right to hate it.  I get thats why the post was made.  But i mean at least pawn this off as a review on defiance lore and logging in / character creation. 

Just because the game doesnt give you every bit of lore right off the bat with a 4 hour movie or whatever doesnt make the game shit.  Perhaps he will watch the show and play bit more of the game, include the mechanics and actual gameplay, and then trash the game itself not what seems to be a rushed review with no substance regarding the actual game.  Hell he couldnt even reproduce the graphic bug and had to use someone elses video of the ATV going under ground.  Doesnt that seem strange to do?

 

I know people are going to hate the game, but this review...its not even a review of the game defiance...

 

Oh and i hate the big forhead race too, seems to ruin what i suspect to be some really fine looking girls lol.

 

Anyway, even if this guy were to make a fawning review of the game, if he did it in the same manner as he made this "review" i wouldnt be interested.  Theres plenty of people who actually review games and you leave their youtube channel with a good feel for the game, and a good idea as to what to expect.  This viedo is more about him yelling and swearing and when he rand out of things to yell about the video ends.  Wouldnt watch this guy again if this is how all his videos are, and probably a reason ive never heard of him before.

 

Your 100% right it is not a review its a sad attempt to get youtube views.

  Ice-Queen

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4/12/13 12:12:08 PM#31
That was incredibly long winded, and could have been summed up in a 3-5 min video.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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  Methos12

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4/12/13 12:14:25 PM#32
Originally posted by DMKano

Now I agree with some things he said, no doubt, but 5/10 for angry Joe is more like 7/10 in reality for most. 

But entertaining review, very biased and overly harsh as usual, but who watches angry joe for objectivity?

More like, he's the only sensible one who doesn't inflate scores. 5/10 is an arithmetic middle. It should be treated as such, especially becuase there is no PASS or FAIL in game reviews.

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  User Deleted
4/12/13 12:16:04 PM#33
Originally posted by Tayah
That was incredibly long winded, and could have been summed up in a 3-5 min video.

He didnt even cover a single bit of gameplay. What reviews dont cover the actual game?  I mean seriously....

  archy1985

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4/12/13 12:17:35 PM#34

i agree on some "critics" but still, i really enjoy the game.

i have plenty of things to do there, so the things that are "less good" are put away from my head. 

gona keep playing it as long as dlc's come and have any kind of "quest" to do...so i will be there for a long time.

maybe cause i see it more like a hmmm, single player game with some kind of interaction outside the box.

  Methios

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4/12/13 12:18:37 PM#35
How about people think for themselves because one persons opinion isn't going to be the same as anothers.  That is fine he doesn't really care for the game and some people do, heck I think it's average but honestly that's MY view point not anyone else.
  User Deleted
4/12/13 12:20:27 PM#36
Originally posted by BrownAle
Originally posted by Tayah
That was incredibly long winded, and could have been summed up in a 3-5 min video.

He didnt even cover a single bit of gameplay. What reviews dont cover the actual game?  I mean seriously....

Exacty what Review it was a rant riding on Defiance coat tail. And people sure do love rants non of the less.

  Eir_S

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4/12/13 12:21:15 PM#37
Originally posted by DMKano

AngryJoe , I actually met him and talked to him in RL. You have to understand that his fans like lots of angry harsh criticism, otherwise nobody would be watching him.

Just remember when you watch or read reviews, they are often more about attracting views,  first and foremost. And a highly biased angry review gets a lot of page hits.

Angryjoe gets his views through harsh criticism, he admitted to this in person, he tried a nice approach and nobody cared.

Now I agree with some things he said, no doubt, but 5/10 for angry Joe is more like 7/10 in reality for most. 

But entertaining review, very biased and overly harsh as usual, but who watches angry joe for objectivity?

 

He was positive pretty much the whole way through GW2.... guess it must be an 11/10.

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4/12/13 12:21:40 PM#38
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
In before 'angry joe wasn't paid enough' or that his review doesn't matter. I like his reviews though and i prefer them over sites like IGN, gamespot etc.

I usually trust Youtube guys I'm subscribed to or listen alot of.  Guys like Angry Joe, Force, Dontain and Jesse Cox jsut to name a few because those guys usually like the same stuff I like.  The big name sites are just that, and IMO are trying to get readers to take notice so are inevitably trying to sell you their site rather then the game they talk about.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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4/12/13 12:33:25 PM#39

I agree with a lot he said and disagree with a lot he said. 

The bugs and issues are a given and everyone has discussed these in great detail. 

I actually liked most of the characters in Defiance though. Carl Von Bach, Cass, Jon Cooper, Varus, Joshua Nolan, Irisa, and Torc  all seemed fleshed out pretty well especially for a game. The other characters not so much. 

I also like the story. Its above your average MMO story and Game story but... the issue I have with both the characters I liked and the story is that it felt like it was only a part 1 of a mini series. It feels like things ended to soon. Von Bach is still alive, Cass has this hidden agenda thats never revealed, Cooper has a lot of story left to tell about his past, Torc I just want to hang out with more, etc. The main story mission needs to continue on and I was left with the impression it would. If they don't add more to it in later DLCs and expansions (If there are any expansions) then I will be severly dissapointed. For now though I am satisfied and eagerly awaiting more. 

I agree that killing that big arse mech in a cut scene was lame. I wanted to fight it, I was pretty excited when I came across it and it killed me in no time flat. I was pissed when I found out I wasn't able to get people together to take it down. 

 

I liked the episode missions as well. It was what I hoped and thought it would be. I have more background on the first episode of the TV series which is nice. 

 

Co-op missions, Arkfalls and Shadow wars is where the game truly shines currently though. 

 

Currently there is a lot to both like and dislike with the game, I'm enjoying it (Without having to force myself to do so lol) though because I've found more to like. It also looks like Trion is doing as Trion does and are attempting to fix things and flesh things out. 

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4/12/13 12:33:27 PM#40
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by DMKano

AngryJoe , I actually met him and talked to him in RL. You have to understand that his fans like lots of angry harsh criticism, otherwise nobody would be watching him.

Just remember when you watch or read reviews, they are often more about attracting views,  first and foremost. And a highly biased angry review gets a lot of page hits.

Angryjoe gets his views through harsh criticism, he admitted to this in person, he tried a nice approach and nobody cared.

Now I agree with some things he said, no doubt, but 5/10 for angry Joe is more like 7/10 in reality for most. 

But entertaining review, very biased and overly harsh as usual, but who watches angry joe for objectivity?

 

He was positive pretty much the whole way through GW2.... guess it must be an 11/10.

It seems someone never misses the slightest chance to plug their favorite game...ugh.

 

Anyways. I'm watching the review and almost finished but what strikes me as odd is for this particular title to be criticized on one of its aspects like voice acting but another game which has an even worse voice acting gets glossed over as if it were nothing.

Watching/reading reviews I know the truth lies somewhere in the middle. My days of fanning over TB or whomever are pretty much over.

Hello cynicism.

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