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General Discussion  » IGN: Defiance's Game-TV Crossover is Disappointing

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  bcbully

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4/09/13 5:35:22 PM#21

I've been trying to be kind to those who are playing this game. From my point of view though, it maybe the worst product of the past two years.

 

I was rooting for the game the moment they put it on the Trion website after the launch of RIFT. Then I found out it would be incorperated with a TV show. Fast forward two years, I then played the game.

 

Uninspired design vision, lack of creativity in systems, underfunded, and rushed. That's what comes to mind when I think of the game. Terribly disappointing coming from Trion. A company I praised and saw as the standard bearer for polish and speed of content delivery. Swtor is a better mmorpg.

 

Maybe all Trion can do is copy. Judging by these last  two games. End of Nations being worse than defiance, bad enough to be scrapped. 

  lordtwisted

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4/09/13 5:35:24 PM#22

For those of you that think IGN doesn't spew out of context...Here is Nankins response tothe question..in full context...

 

"So if that was pre-production, what will you have to deal with in the second or third season, if they go ahead? Have you planned for that?

We don’t know if there’s a season two yet. But supposing there is, I think there’ll be a much richer integration in season two than there is now, because we’ll have six months of gameplay. Because we made that show while the game was being built, and no one’s ever played it - it hasn’t been out in the world. Now we’re going to see what they like about the game, what they don’t like about the game, how the characters are tracking.

We’ll have the storytelling from the players to draw from as we go into season two. And plus, there’s an enormous amount of energy in building the highway between the game and the show, and figuring out the logistics of how we’d work together. Now that’s done, and we can concentrate on what elements are going to thrive on the highway. So season two, I think it’s going to be a whole different ballgame. "



Read more: http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/25131/michael-nankin-interview-defiance-latex-tv-pilots-and-more#ixzz2Q0KBoBkK

Not so nice guy!

  User Deleted
4/09/13 5:35:35 PM#23
Originally posted by Volgore

I t**d y*u s* -guess the missing letters.

 

Ummm...Q...K...Z...J?

  User Deleted
4/09/13 5:56:50 PM#24

This news doenst make the game less fun.

 

It would be nice to have a toal tie in with a TV show, despite i probably wont find a wat to watch it since i dont do TV (i game instead)

 

It was a good oppertunity to get a negative thread going on this game, and the OP took it.  I dont blame him for that.  Nor do i blame the other people who jumped at the oppertunity to trash the game.  Just how this forum works.

 

Nothing but the politicialization of mmorpgs.  Support your side trash the other, never give up! 

 

It does get old, and its with every game, aside froma  few select that have an over whelming fourm defense squad including mods who ban for negative posts.    But every game other than the one or two protected games is apparently garbage in every way shape and form....according to the posters at least.

 

I dunno you can call me stupid for liking a game you dont, dont really care to be honest.  I enjoy the game for what it is, when it loses its entertainment value ill move on like a normal adult. 

 

"Rabble rabble rabble!!! only 25% of content will tie in GAME SUCKS LOLOL"  wish these kids had a hobby that involved a skill that improved society rather than wreck it (at least online)

 

[mod edit]

  lordtwisted

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4/09/13 6:43:50 PM#25
Originally posted by bcbully

I've been trying to be kind to those who are playing this game. From my point of view though, it maybe the worst product of the past two years.

 

I was rooting for the game the moment they put it on the Trion website after the launch of RIFT. Then I found out it would be incorperated with a TV show. Fast forward two years, I then played the game.

 

Uninspired design vision, lack of creativity in systems, underfunded, and rushed. That's what comes to mind when I think of the game. Terribly disappointing coming from Trion. A company I praised and saw as the standard bearer for polish and speed of content delivery. Swtor is a better mmorpg.

 

Maybe all Trion can do is copy. Judging by these last  two games. End of Nations being worse than defiance, bad enough to be scrapped. 

Considering this "Maybe the worst product of the past two years" right there alone puts your opinion lower than any one person has gone before on my scale. Have you bought any games in the last two years? There are far worse all over the place.

 

 You rooted for the game for two years, then played it for two days and wrote it off? 

Uninspired? Lacks Creativity? This is something nobody has attempted yet, they created several new complete languages for this, and several alien races....what is not creative? 

 Almost everything you said in this one post is ignorant and unjustified. So your opinions continue to stink...errr.. sink.

Not so nice guy!

  Zuvielify

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4/09/13 7:16:23 PM#26

In my humble opinion, what I saw of the show looked corny. I think the game story is more interesting so far. Granted, there is little to go on for the show. There aren't a ton of great shows that come out of scifi. BSG was only good for two seasons.

 

If you enjoy the game, would you suddenly quit because the show went under? If Trion had a successful product, they wouldn't suddenly stop writing new content because the show is gone, so why does any of that article matter?

The show and game are just two components of a new sci-fi universe. Just like WoW or LotRO or most other games. 

  GrayGhost79

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4/09/13 7:29:13 PM#27

Originally posted by Volgore

Originally posted by Panther2103
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Volgore

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/defiances-game-tv-crossover-is-disappointing

“[Content] is relatively set now, because a lot of things have to be determined up front for creating game content or shooting a TV show,” explains Trion Worlds’ VP of development Nathan Richardsson. “Tie-ins with the TV show for when both go live aren't that many, but going forward there’ll be much more of the dynamic content [and they] will have a bigger effect on each other.”

Michael Nankin, supervising producer :  “We don’t know yet if there’s going to be a season two"

I hope everyone enjoys the game as is, because "but what we do in game will affect the show!" is not going to happen anytime soon and "there will be many seasons coming, so accordingly the game will receive tons more content" is not yet fixed at all.

I t**d y*u s* -guess the missing letters.

Yes, as it has been explained numerous times now... 

The game will not effect the show until after the first season. This was clearly stated by Trion. 

The show does in fact tie into the game though as we have seen from the 15 minute preview and the first story missions. 

They have planned for a season two, but no they aren't guaranteed one. No show is guaranteed a second season. It depends on ratings. Monday night is a good slot and they have next to no competition in the scifi area. 

Trion actually hasn't invested in the TV show, Syfy has invested in the game and explained that the TV shows are always a loss what makes it a success or not is number of viewers to bring in those advertising dollars. 

 

I'm not sure who you told what, but I would wait until things have happened prior to celebrating. 

Hes one of the anti Defiance people who are just trying to rile up people into an anti Defiance forum. Problem is everyone knows who they are. So there isn't a point. Everyone knew this information who cared enough to research it or read about it, but the people who don't are just going to hate the game more because they are constantly posting about it.

Except that the "tie-in" was the #1 promo feature when Trion spoke about the game -while up to today it's not even shure if it will happen.

Turns out to be another PR gimmick like the "trial servers for an upcoming promotion incl. a huge influx of new players" in Rift.

I'm not sure how considering the game tie in is gauranteed for at least one season. We've already seen an example of this tie in. The first story mission which expires April 15th continues in the very first episode of the series. 

I have no idea why the must be repeated but you are incorrect. The only thing that is up in the air is the game effecting the TV show after the first season. The tie in however will exist for the first season if nothing else. 

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Volgore

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/defiances-game-tv-crossover-is-disappointing

“[Content] is relatively set now, because a lot of things have to be determined up front for creating game content or shooting a TV show,” explains Trion Worlds’ VP of development Nathan Richardsson. “Tie-ins with the TV show for when both go live aren't that many, but going forward there’ll be much more of the dynamic content [and they] will have a bigger effect on each other.”

Michael Nankin, supervising producer :  “We don’t know yet if there’s going to be a season two"

I hope everyone enjoys the game as is, because "but what we do in game will affect the show!" is not going to happen anytime soon and "there will be many seasons coming, so accordingly the game will receive tons more content" is not yet fixed at all.

I t**d y*u s* -guess the missing letters.

Yes, as it has been explained numerous times now... 

The game will not effect the show until after the first season. This was clearly stated by Trion. 

The show does in fact tie into the game though as we have seen from the 15 minute preview and the first story missions. 

They have planned for a season two, but no they aren't guaranteed one. No show is guaranteed a second season. It depends on ratings. Monday night is a good slot and they have next to no competition in the scifi area. 

Trion actually hasn't invested in the TV show, Syfy has invested in the game and explained that the TV shows are always a loss what makes it a success or not is number of viewers to bring in those advertising dollars. 

 

I'm not sure who you told what, but I would wait until things have happened prior to celebrating. 

problem is that even people in charge of show doesn't know if there will be a second season. As stated by michael nankin.

We all knew and know that TV shows aren't gauranteed a second season. This isn't something knew or unheard of. Every new TV series has a chance of being cancelled. This goes for any show. Why is this suddenly some ground breaking revalation for some?

I hope I cleared this up for you guys. 

  Kuppa

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4/09/13 7:33:10 PM#28
I wouldn't expect this to be fully fleshed out until maybe a second season, if it happens.


  Icewhite

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4/09/13 7:33:25 PM#29
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

... I would wait until things have happened prior to celebrating. 

But...but...then you'd miss out on the "told you so, first" prize!

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Margulis

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4/09/13 7:34:53 PM#30

Well if those comments are directly from devs who cares whether IGN is involved or not.

Regarding the tie-in - that's really disappointing to hear that there won't be very much.  The game is already extremely lean on content, so if there isn't much of a tie-in either, not sure what they are really going to do with it to keep people playing long term?

  GrayGhost79

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4/09/13 7:49:37 PM#31
Originally posted by Margulis

Well if those comments are directly from devs who cares whether IGN is involved or not.

Regarding the tie-in - that's really disappointing to hear that there won't be very much.  The game is already extremely lean on content, so if there isn't much of a tie-in either, not sure what they are really going to do with it to keep people playing long term?

lol, my last attempt. You guys are taking the comment out of context. The comments from the Devs you are reffering to are discussing the fact that the game won't have much of any effect on the show early on. The show on the other hand is going to have an effect on the game. Dear lord, I'm going to get a migrane reading these posts. 

Look, here are some basics for you guys. 

1) A TV show is already written, filmed, and produced before it airs on TV. This makes it so the game can not have much impact on the first season, because its already completed... 

2) The benefit of this is that the game will get content based off of whats going to happen in the next episode of the show. 

3) When the second season gets the OK they can start writting, filming, and producing it with things that have happened in game in mind. That is if they get a second season. 

 

To my knowledge not a single fan of the game ever assumed that the game would have a major impact on the show or influence it much, that seems to only be trolls making this assumption. What a rational sane adult would assume is that the story missions in game are going to give more information on things that are have or will happen in the show. 

  User Deleted
4/09/13 8:29:21 PM#32
Originally posted by DalekThay
Wow. I'm sorry, but making a tie-in game for a TV show without being guaranteed at least two seasons just screams 'bad investment' to me. It will be interesting to see how this turns out in a year or so...

Seems fine to me.  You get a game world with higher-quality writing than your typical game setting, with a chance for the world to expand in an interesting way.

If the show fails to catch on and gets cancelled, there's nothing stopping the game from still continuing.  Hell, they could still branch out into other mediums like books and maybe a movie, a-la Serentiy, without much trouble if they wanted.

The game and show are linked together, but they are not dependent on each other to survive.

  Ikeda

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4/09/13 8:39:29 PM#33

Did I just see someone claiming to KNOW the game saying they were ego 180-190?  Seriously?  Just doing the Mount Tam area (no golds) I had an ego of 240.  Which means, you're NOT DOING IT RIGHT.  Seriously.

Time trials, rampages, click 3's, fetches, investigates, guards, 3 different types of arkfalls (bugs, mutants and I don't remember the 3rd off hand but I saw another group).

I swear people just wanna run around and shout DOOOOOOOOOM!  It isn't better for the community and it isn't getting "better" games out.  I wish we had a way to upvote and downvote on this forum...  and the IGN post I read this morning.  Everything that's been written has been highly critical. 

Should I go back and find bad parts of GW2 and it's constant DOWNTIME for the first week?  What about the AH?  IGN didn't say 2 words about them.  So yes, biased they are.

It's not a TERRIBLE game, it's also not a great game.  It has the possibility to be good but it can also rock the other way.  Look at EQ2's launch.  It was terrible, but yet it's HIGHLY regarded.  Ebbs and flows.  I'll be playing this, Age of Wushu, TSW.  I feel like I've got everything... I can play based on my preference.

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  lordtwisted

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4/09/13 8:49:47 PM#34
Originally posted by Margulis

Well if those comments are directly from devs who cares whether IGN is involved or not.

Regarding the tie-in - that's really disappointing to hear that there won't be very much.  The game is already extremely lean on content, so if there isn't much of a tie-in either, not sure what they are really going to do with it to keep people playing long term?

Read all of the comments, then return. 

 

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  DMKano

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4/09/13 9:38:21 PM#35

What is really disappointing is IGN and their reviews.

I am looking forward to the show and game.

  DMKano

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4/09/13 9:59:19 PM#36
Originally posted by bcbully

I've been trying to be kind to those who are playing this game. From my point of view though, it maybe the worst product of the past two years.

 Opinions vary, I think that calling Defiance the worst product of the past two years is just completely unfounded, misinformed, and downright silly, i can't even take your comment seriously.

I was rooting for the game the moment they put it on the Trion website after the launch of RIFT. Then I found out it would be incorperated with a TV show. Fast forward two years, I then played the game.

 

Uninspired design vision, lack of creativity in systems, underfunded, and rushed. That's what comes to mind when I think of the game. Terribly disappointing coming from Trion. A company I praised and saw as the standard bearer for polish and speed of content delivery. Swtor is a better mmorpg.

 Thanks for the opinion, again I disagree. Unispired design vision? What does that mean? Lack of creativity... Underfunded? How much did Defiance cost, and by how much was it underfunded? 

Maybe all Trion can do is copy. Judging by these last  two games. End of Nations being worse than defiance, bad enough to be scrapped. 

Again making claims without backing it up - End of Nations is not scrapped, Trion and the fans didnt like what Petroglyph delivered, yes Petroglyph was the Dev not Trion. So TrIon brought End of Nations development in house so now they are the Dev and are still working on it. 

Its perfectly fine to dislike something, but when you stray from personal opinion and are spreading information that is false, that is not cool.

 

  StonesDK

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4/10/13 12:24:50 AM#37
Another reviewer that didn't get paid off. Trion take note. You need to grease ALL wheels not just some
  kaiser3282

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4/10/13 1:03:44 AM#38
Originally posted by Volgore

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/defiances-game-tv-crossover-is-disappointing

“[Content] is relatively set now, because a lot of things have to be determined up front for creating game content or shooting a TV show,” explains Trion Worlds’ VP of development Nathan Richardsson. “Tie-ins with the TV show for when both go live aren't that many, but going forward there’ll be much more of the dynamic content [and they] will have a bigger effect on each other.”

Michael Nankin, supervising producer :  “We don’t know yet if there’s going to be a season two"

I hope everyone enjoys the game as is, because "but what we do in game will affect the show!" is not going to happen anytime soon and "there will be many seasons coming, so accordingly the game will receive tons more content" is not yet fixed at all.

I t**d y*u s* -guess the missing letters.

Correction. Trion and SyFy told us so, a long time ago. Anyone paying attention to the game & show was already well aware of this and isnt expecting much impact from the game to the show until after the 1st season.

BTW, you should probably find better sources than IGN for things like reviews. They barely even know how to play the game, dont even know how half the systems / mechanics work, and think several things are bugs that are actually working as intended but they're just too stupid to make sense of it (like getting into the passenger side of the car).

  moosecatlol

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4/10/13 1:28:15 AM#39
The upside of being in an alpha, is when you hit the point when you know a game is beyond saving, then you can then safely confirm that it is not worth your money.
  psiic

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4/10/13 1:44:06 AM#40

Frankly I will be surprised if this goes the full 10 episodes. I watched the making of Defiance tonight and realized how totally insane the producers of this show really are. 

 

1) The Syfy Channel does not generate the HUGE advertising dollars say one of the big networks.

3) Cast is WAY too big, and has too many name actors.

2) Cost per episode is going to be insane, special effects, CGI, and set design is not cheap.

 

Remember Terra Nova?

 

Great show huge fan following, Steven Spielburg, and the deep deep pockets of  FOX broadcasting. Even with all that going for it they got canceled because they would have had to have 45 minutes of primetime advertising and only 15 minutes of TV show to cover the cost per episode.

 

Want to make a TV show that has a long multi season run?

Have a cast of  three maybe four actors, with 2 or three support actors.

Only have one known actor simply for the advertising sales.

Have a small limited stage set, be it an apartment, house, or coffee shop.

Avoid CGI or special effects at all costs.

Get all your actors to sign an unbreakable non-negotiable 6 year contract up front . Otherwise after a season or two the actors will try and hold you over a barrel because they now have fans.

 

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