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Camelot Unchained

Camelot Unchained 

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4/09/13 3:26:32 AM#21
Originally posted by zytin
Originally posted by Saevel
Originally posted by zytin
Originally posted by grogstorm
Often the difference between a successful person and a failure is not one has better abilities or ideas, but the courage that one has to bet on one's ideas, to take a calculated risk - and to act.   - Andre Malraux

Yes, but the whole point of taking a risk is that there is a chance of getting a return on your investment.  Kickstart is a way for developers to get investors without actually having to answer to them.  They get your money, you get crap back if they succeed, and they get to keep all the profits...Why would you do that?  

Obviously, the return in kickstarter is the game. The experience. There won't be a monetary gain, that's not the point, and if you somehow expect that from everything you pay for in advance, you're missing both the point of kickstarter, and fail to see all the potential advantages of it.


It's like paying an architect or a painter up front, or while they work. Not unheard of. You don't know quite what you're going to get, you rely on the integrity and quality of those people, as well as the idea(s) they convey to you.

So...You pay money so that you might get a game that might be something you want to play...And you funded it becuase you'll get a joy out of it if it turns out to be the game that you want to play...If you have 5k to throw away, I suppose that would be fine, but your analogy is flawed.


You don't pay an architect up front.  You get give them a comission, and they design something, redesign in, re-redesign it, until you agree on the product you want.  He then designs a final product and builds it, and you keep it.  If you pay a painter or architect up front, with no contract or expectation for a return on your money, you're an idiot.  Even with an artist that agrees to paint something for you, they will show you multiple options to choose from, which you then pick, which they then create, exactly how you want, and you get to keep it.  In both examples, you are investing in an item that you agree on and want, and get to keep for yourself.  Even so, those examples don't work here.


Video games aren't simply works of art.  They are a product that is going to be built and sold with the idea that it is providing a product and (in the case of MMO's) a service to people who are willing to pay for it.  This is no different than a band, or a store, or a business that makes cell phones or computer chips or a doohiky that people will be willing to pay for.  In this case, you are being approached by a person who wants to create a service or product that many people will want, and you are willing to invest in their business.  In exchange for that investment, you will want a return on your money.  You believe in the product, you review their business plan, and you give them thousands of dollars.  They create the product or service, people buy it, and the busniess then makes money.  When that business makes money, you get a portion of it, since you put money in to get it up and running in the first place.  Hopefully you backed a winning horse and get more on your return than you put in.  


Kickstart is totally taking advantage of people who are completely uneducated on capitalism and the free market.

You pay about 50% of what you would for a game normally. That's your monetary return. You invest in a project you believe will succeed, and you get both a 100% return if it launches, and the joy of playing a game that probably wouldn't have been made if this way of funding it wasn't available.


(As for my analogy, fair enough. I was just trying to make a point. But I disagree with you that video games can't be a form of art)


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4/09/13 4:25:50 AM#22
Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Originally posted by JayDose
Originally posted by zytin
So if you pay into this, you'll get to play the game for free, for as long as it runs?  I'm not sure if I get the point of investing in the development of a product if I don't either see a return on my investment, be that through a share in the company or the ability to play the game without paying for it once it hits retail as a reward for taking the risk of investing in its creation...

I agree but its more of a donation than an investment.

I donation you get nothing in return.


Here you do.

The KS rewards are a way for the project to say "Thank you" to the pledger.


Of course it would be crazy to buy a virtual island.


But giving money to get that game, and have an island as a thanks from the developper, is something else. You would have given the money even without the island.


That's why you get something even though it is a donation.


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4/09/13 6:47:07 AM#23

It is a win win... you pledge towards something you like and if it does not get funding you still break even.  If it gets funding you get to enjoy a great game!  I am looking forward to internal testing :)

<--- $180 pledge here.


Btw... Hello Grog.  If you remember me ;)  Cypz/Cypress from MLF/Mordred/Lamorak.   PM me sometime




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4/09/13 8:27:54 AM#24
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4/09/13 8:34:52 AM#25

If you think the ideas are interesting, but don't want to invest without seeing more, donate $1 to this kickstarter. 

That shows the developer that you have interest in seeing more, but don't want to commit to anything until you see more.


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4/09/13 8:48:03 AM#26

I bet MJ wishes he had double the openings on those last three tiers.

Q: Anyone else think it's possible that there are individuals out there bidding on these high tiers with the purposeful intention of withdrawing at the very end , possibly sinking the project? 


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4/09/13 8:48:24 AM#27
Originally posted by zytin
So if you pay into this, you'll get to play the game for free, for as long as it runs?  I'm not sure if I get the point of investing in the development of a product if I don't either see a return on my investment, be that through a share in the company or the ability to play the game without paying for it once it hits retail as a reward for taking the risk of investing in its creation...

What are you beng serious? This is not an investment

Think of it as a very early pre-order of the game.. and what do you get out of it ?

Well you get a game that wont exist without kickstarter.


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4/09/13 8:54:23 AM#28

Lol.  It's funny how complicated people make this out to be.

It's either an idea worth putting $ down for, or it's not.

I'm surprised that people balk at pledges as low as $1 or $5.  I make more than $1 in the time it takes for me to type this post.


The idea alone of a three-way RvR game focused on PvP is worth more than a dollar.  To me at least.  I think it's silly to slap around the term 'carebear' for everyone that doesn't pledge, but ... not willing to throw down $1 for PvP?  I had to admit that does sound pretty close to carebear no matter how you slice it.


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4/09/13 9:03:02 AM#29
Originally posted by naezgul

I bet MJ wishes he had double the openings on those last three tiers.

Q: Anyone else think it's possible that there are individuals out there bidding on these high tiers with the purposeful intention of withdrawing at the very end , possibly sinking the project? 




Taken from a interview from this very site-




" MMORPG: The big one - what happens if the goal of 2 Mln isn't hit? Where does Camelot Unchained go from there? There are definitely plenty of people who want to see it happen, regardless.

Mark Jacobs: If we don’t fund, the odds are that the game doesn’t get made. Now, if we hit $1.99M, that would be a different story as opposed to it not funding because we only raised $1M. If we didn’t even reach half our goal, there would be no real purpose in trying to re-launch the Kickstarter, get additional outside funding, etc. "

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4/09/13 9:05:02 AM#30
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by zytin
So if you pay into this, you'll get to play the game for free, for as long as it runs?  I'm not sure if I get the point of investing in the development of a product if I don't either see a return on my investment, be that through a share in the company or the ability to play the game without paying for it once it hits retail as a reward for taking the risk of investing in its creation...

What are you beng serious? This is not an investment

Think of it as a very early pre-order of the game.. and what do you get out of it ?

Well you get a game that wont exist without kickstarter.


But i think your just trolling anyway if you cant see how good kickstarter is for the gaming industry and us players..

what game?

someone go and ask him/them,how long hes been working with it ?

1 year 2 years 3 years ? or 1 day ?

he is selling an idea  and nothing else.

someone ask him,what kind of systems there are,hows characters ,will there be str ,dex int and such and how those are done ? weapon skills ,are those something like in Dungeon Master or what ?

if he´s been working with this idea for atleast 1 month he should have something more than,we have healers and crafters and pvp.

hows weapons and armors for example,attacks speeds,armor classes ,weight ,theres so many questions where he should allready have an answer,but he does not.

it seems that he needs 2,000,000 dollars so he can start thinking about those and what then ,next KS project to make it real ?




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4/09/13 9:12:23 AM#31
Please post this kind of stuff in the Kickstarter progress and discussion sticky thread.

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