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General Discussion  » Will this game be as good as WoW (vanilla)? ie the game that brought the demise of DAoC

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  OgreRaper

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Joined: 6/20/11
Posts: 381

4/08/13 5:35:13 PM#21
Yes, no instances is a huge selling point for me. Every time I hear about new MMO's, the moment they mention instanced PvP, I immediately lose all interest.
  Sornin

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Too weird to live, and too rare to die

4/08/13 5:36:05 PM#22
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Karteli

 

So, can Camelot Unchained actually out-do the game that killed it's predecessor, DAoC?

 

DAoC subscriber cap was 250k in 2004, before it fell.  WoW released in 2004, not to beat a dead horse.

No, and they are not even trying. Jacobs himself said they are targetting a niche...and seeing as how they dont even want PvE, its a niche in a niche...and DaoC was already a small niche at that.

He already knows that pure PvP is a small market and seems more than willing to target a smaller chunck of that. Small focus = greater chance of meeting a goal of profit, however small it may be.

 I am glad MJ is being up front about all that.  Still people want to project things onto this game that just won't happen.

Also, IIRC TOA killed DOAC not wow.

There was a shift in loyalty, yes, if that is what you are getting at.

 

But WoW was a major factor.  Jacobs acknowledges this.  DAoC wasn't as good as WoW (vanilla), at that timeframe.

 

Later expansions of DAoC were targeting the WoW crowd to bring them back.  Isn't that what pissed fans off?  Be honest.

 

Sub numbers peaked after SI, held for a nice amount of time and then declined slowly. ToA brought back more subs (like XP packs have done for every MMO) but then WoW hit us for 30% when it came out+. 

But no, I'm not sure why you would think CU will have any instances in it since I've said from day 1, no instances. :)

I'll politely ask for a source on no instances then.

Priceless. Right above you!  Timing is everything. :)

Clearly he didn't read that the statement was made by the CEO of the company and creator of the game - I laughed hard!

  Plastic-Metal

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4/08/13 5:37:27 PM#23

Aw man.. this thread just went from classic to epic. 

My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

  papabear151

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4/08/13 5:40:44 PM#24
Originally posted by Plastic-Metal

Taren Mill versus Southshore was truly, epic in World of Warcraft standards.  For a lot of newer MMO players, it was their first exposure to large scale PvP fights.

Will Camelot Unchained "be as good as WoW (Vanilla)"? It's completely relative.  In my opinion, yes, but it also relative to my perspective.  For you, maybe not.

Camelot Unchained will not be instanced fighting; Mark has already mentioned it multiple times that he doesn't want instanced fighting. Period. 

Futhermore, PvE hasn't been completely removed from design, but it's certainly not the key focus of the game itself.   Again, it goes back to it being completely relative - If WoW (vanilla) was a new MMO player's wet dream, probably not.. as it's almost impossible to beat the effects of nostalgia.

In my opinion, CU will fill a void in which current generation RvR/PvP games cannot seem to do properly.

A bunch of people running around aimlessly killing each other with ZERO purpose was "truly epic"

 

LOL, alright dude, too bad that had already been surpassed by MMO's released 7 years before. 

  Arnfiarnunn

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4/08/13 5:47:04 PM#25
April fool! Oh wait, we're the 9th...

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  4/08/13 5:55:17 PM#26
Originally posted by papabear151
Originally posted by Plastic-Metal

Taren Mill versus Southshore was truly, epic in World of Warcraft standards.  For a lot of newer MMO players, it was their first exposure to large scale PvP fights.

Will Camelot Unchained "be as good as WoW (Vanilla)"? It's completely relative.  In my opinion, yes, but it also relative to my perspective.  For you, maybe not.

Camelot Unchained will not be instanced fighting; Mark has already mentioned it multiple times that he doesn't want instanced fighting. Period. 

Futhermore, PvE hasn't been completely removed from design, but it's certainly not the key focus of the game itself.   Again, it goes back to it being completely relative - If WoW (vanilla) was a new MMO player's wet dream, probably not.. as it's almost impossible to beat the effects of nostalgia.

In my opinion, CU will fill a void in which current generation RvR/PvP games cannot seem to do properly.

A bunch of people running around aimlessly killing each other with ZERO purpose was "truly epic"

 

LOL, alright dude, too bad that had already been surpassed by MMO's released 7 years before. 

Isn't that the definition of RvR .. or would you like to refine it?

 

I would love to see another players version of how RvR should work (in a PVE'less world).

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Troianman

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Joined: 4/07/13
Posts: 83

4/08/13 6:03:06 PM#27
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Karteli

 

So, can Camelot Unchained actually out-do the game that killed it's predecessor, DAoC?

 

DAoC subscriber cap was 250k in 2004, before it fell.  WoW released in 2004, not to beat a dead horse.

No, and they are not even trying. Jacobs himself said they are targetting a niche...and seeing as how they dont even want PvE, its a niche in a niche...and DaoC was already a small niche at that.

He already knows that pure PvP is a small market and seems more than willing to target a smaller chunck of that. Small focus = greater chance of meeting a goal of profit, however small it may be.

 I am glad MJ is being up front about all that.  Still people want to project things onto this game that just won't happen.

Also, IIRC TOA killed DOAC not wow.

There was a shift in loyalty, yes, if that is what you are getting at.

 

But WoW was a major factor.  Jacobs acknowledges this.  DAoC wasn't as good as WoW (vanilla), at that timeframe.

 

Later expansions of DAoC were targeting the WoW crowd to bring them back.  Isn't that what pissed fans off?  Be honest.

 

Sub numbers peaked after SI, held for a nice amount of time and then declined slowly. ToA brought back more subs (like XP packs have done for every MMO) but then WoW hit us for 30% when it came out+. 

But no, I'm not sure why you would think CU will have any instances in it since I've said from day 1, no instances. :)

I'll politely ask for a source on no instances then.

Priceless. Right above you!  Timing is everything. :)

And.....screenshot! +100 points to MJ.

  redcapp

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Joined: 5/13/11
Posts: 733

4/08/13 6:07:49 PM#28

Different playing field now.  Will the game be better than WoW?  Depends on who you ask. 

 

Assuming the project actually lives up to the potential we're all hoping it has at this point, it will certainly be 'better than' WoW in the eyes of the niche it is being designed for.

 

Obviously it will not be 'better than WoW' to the pve raiding crowd, etc.

 

Edit: 'lol'd hard at asking the source for a source

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  4/08/13 6:18:07 PM#29
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Karteli

 

So, can Camelot Unchained actually out-do the game that killed it's predecessor, DAoC?

 

DAoC subscriber cap was 250k in 2004, before it fell.  WoW released in 2004, not to beat a dead horse.

No, and they are not even trying. Jacobs himself said they are targetting a niche...and seeing as how they dont even want PvE, its a niche in a niche...and DaoC was already a small niche at that.

He already knows that pure PvP is a small market and seems more than willing to target a smaller chunck of that. Small focus = greater chance of meeting a goal of profit, however small it may be.

 I am glad MJ is being up front about all that.  Still people want to project things onto this game that just won't happen.

Also, IIRC TOA killed DOAC not wow.

There was a shift in loyalty, yes, if that is what you are getting at.

 

But WoW was a major factor.  Jacobs acknowledges this.  DAoC wasn't as good as WoW (vanilla), at that timeframe.

 

Later expansions of DAoC were targeting the WoW crowd to bring them back.  Isn't that what pissed fans off?  Be honest.

 

Sub numbers peaked after SI, held for a nice amount of time and then declined slowly. ToA brought back more subs (like XP packs have done for every MMO) but then WoW hit us for 30% when it came out+. 

But no, I'm not sure why you would think CU will have any instances in it since I've said from day 1, no instances. :)

I'll politely ask for a source on no instances then.

Priceless. Right above you!  Timing is everything. :)

OK then! ... waiting ... =D

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Troianman

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Joined: 4/07/13
Posts: 83

4/08/13 6:24:57 PM#30

@OP

Are apples better than oranges? (note: not trying to be rude, please keep reading)

WoW is not nor has it ever been a PvP focused game. The more appropriate question would probably be:

Will this game warrant enough short term and long term support for both a successful launch and to stick around afterwards?

And the answer to many of us is:

God I hope so!

The audience CU is attempting to grab is not the WoW audience, though there are likely many who have played WoW at one point or another in the target audience. Being "as good as WoW" in vanilla or not is not a factor. Blizzard's target audience was pretty much any person who had played any of the titles in any of their 3 insanely popular franchises as well as anybody interested in a fantasy MMO, so really not the same thing here.

  dynamicipftw

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4/08/13 6:32:12 PM#31

1) WoW didn't kill DAoC. ToA and NF killed DAoC.

 

2) TM vs SS (just like GW2 WvW) was fun for about a week or two. People got bored of it though as there was no progression, just back and forth mindless zerging. WoW having good PvP is a ridiculous statement and can only be taken as trolling.

  vonbose0

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4/08/13 6:41:59 PM#32

Did WoW even have pvp when it launched? I remember for months there was nothing to do in that game because there was no content over level 40 and you couldn't pvp. I played DaoC for years. I played the WoW beta and then left WoW after 3 months because of boredom.

Most DaoC player didn't become WoW players, they moved on to other PvP games like Shadowbane, Lineage 2 and guild wars. There was probably some overlap, but honestly most WoW players were carebears and kids playing their first mmo, not diehard pvpers and old school players from UO, DaoC, AC and before.

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

 
OP  4/08/13 6:44:42 PM#33
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

1) WoW didn't kill DAoC. ToA and NF killed DAoC.

 

2) TM vs SS (just like GW2 WvW) was fun for about a week or two. People got bored of it though as there was no progression, just back and forth mindless zerging. WoW having good PvP is a ridiculous statement and can only be taken as trolling.

(1)  Misinformation.  Mark Jacobs even invalidates your assertion.

 

(2) You only validate claims about DAoC stinking.  Some were worse than others.  And some were a WoWification.  Get over that.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  waynejr2

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4/08/13 7:05:32 PM#34
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

1) WoW didn't kill DAoC. ToA and NF killed DAoC.

 

2) TM vs SS (just like GW2 WvW) was fun for about a week or two. People got bored of it though as there was no progression, just back and forth mindless zerging. WoW having good PvP is a ridiculous statement and can only be taken as trolling.

(1)  Misinformation.  Mark Jacobs even invalidates your assertion.

 

(2) You only validate claims about DAoC stinking.  Some were worse than others.  And some were a WoWification.  Get over that.

 So if Joe Blow feels that TOA ruined DOAC somehow MJ can override that?  Odd.

  Karteli

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OP  4/08/13 7:08:26 PM#35
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

1) WoW didn't kill DAoC. ToA and NF killed DAoC.

 

2) TM vs SS (just like GW2 WvW) was fun for about a week or two. People got bored of it though as there was no progression, just back and forth mindless zerging. WoW having good PvP is a ridiculous statement and can only be taken as trolling.

(1)  Misinformation.  Mark Jacobs even invalidates your assertion.

 

(2) You only validate claims about DAoC stinking.  Some were worse than others.  And some were a WoWification.  Get over that.

 So if Joe Blow feels that TOA ruined DOAC somehow MJ can override that?  Odd.

That was nothing which I actually said.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Tierless

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4/08/13 9:01:59 PM#36

I hate instances. I like some pve, but instances killed this genre by taking meaningful gameplay from the world, scripting it, and forcing us to repeat it like hamsters.

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  Karteli

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OP  4/08/13 9:29:56 PM#37
Originally posted by Xobdnas

I hate instances. I like some pve, but instances killed this genre by taking meaningful gameplay from the world, scripting it, and forcing us to repeat it like hamsters.

Indeed.  MJ poped in to say no instances, BUT .. Is no instances in the CU manifesto?  Seems like it should be..

 

I could guess that it is not mentioned so it would not be legally bindable with kickstarter.  If it were mentioned then no instances must go in ... but no mention leaves more for blog promises and afterthoughts? :P

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  tlear

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4/08/13 9:38:06 PM#38
Only awesome thing in wow pvp was mind controlling people into lava in BRM rofl. TM vs SS was mindnublingly boring

What wow did have was a very responsive and fun combat system and fun for the time pve
  Foggye

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4/08/13 9:46:50 PM#39
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Xobdnas

I hate instances. I like some pve, but instances killed this genre by taking meaningful gameplay from the world, scripting it, and forcing us to repeat it like hamsters.

Indeed.  MJ poped in to say no instances, BUT .. Is no instances in the CU manifesto?  Seems like it should be..

 

I could guess that it is not mentioned so it would not be legally bindable with kickstarter.  If it were mentioned then no instances must go in ... but no mention leaves more for blog promises and afterthoughts? :P

 

From Founding Prinicple #2

 

"Okay, I lied. How about another question? What if we don’t want to RvR that day but still want to have fun in the game?” Well, that is where housing, crafting and other systems will come into play. As a RvR-focused game, players will need all sorts of items and the crafters will have to supply them. Whether it is arrows, armor, gold for the mint, etc., there’s always going to be somebody who needs something and that’s where crafting comes in. And if you don’t feel like crafting, well, the housing/buildings system are waiting for you. And if that isn’t enough there will be RvR missions that you can undertake that won’t involve sacking a keep but could still involve some RvR (in an open world, not instanced, k thx bye) if you get unlucky. And if that is not enough, well, we will have some other things that you can do but we are an RvR-focused game and if you are not feeling it that night and nothing we have interests you, well, it’s time to take a break, just like any other game. I cannot promise you that CU will meet all your needs for an MMO. It cannot be all things to all people but it can be a great RvR-focused game with your help, feedback, support and involvement. If on some nights it isn’t what you are looking for, well, that’s okay, your realm’s enemies will be still waiting for you when you get back.

If you looking for a game that captures the spirit, challenge and excitement of RvR, you have come to the right place. Oh, did I forget to mention territorial control, RvR leaderboards, extremely limited “normal” instances (special events, special unlocks, etc.) and most importantly, getting to know and hate your enemies with a passion and being rewarded for doing so? And no Virginia, cross-realm characters on a server is a no-no and of course, we will have multiple servers but there is a Santa Claus N.O.ME., at least in March on Oz. :)

 

-- Day to day combat will be uninstanced.   Just left the door open for special events, or perhaps dungeons like DF.  Take it as you will.

 

  taurak

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4/08/13 9:52:42 PM#40

Considering that DAoC was already pretty old when WoW came out, its not really a fair comparison in my oppinion.

DAoC had better and more meaningfull PvP, wow had more fluid combat and better graphics and such, but hey the technology improved a lot since DAoC was made. However even WoW had its "slideshow" momnets, thats for damn sure.

Had DAoC launched in the same time frame as WoW, instead of warhammer, DAoC might have been the big boy on the block here.

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