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  david06

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4/08/13 3:58:33 PM#61

It looks good.

A lot of other MMORPGs are pretty bland with PvE being the focus.

It's got a lot of promises that it has to deliver on.

I'm only out $25.

It feels good to see something funded without using a traditional publisher.

So I don't see the reason for all the rage.

  jdnewell

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4/08/13 3:58:46 PM#62

If the rabid fans posting a new CU topic every 5 minutes garners attention and it actually funds then so much the better.

IMO it is a little much and I think its alot of hype over just an idea. But then again I for one am really hoping this gets off the ground, if spamming CU posts helps then.... Just dont read em I suppose.

Not hurting anyone and its actually good to see people supporting a game not under the umbrella of bigwig corporations. I cant say I personally understand the hype tho. If they had more than an idea / concept I may be a bit more excited.

And No I do not think CU funding or not funding will have any major impact either way. If the idea was so great and full of promise then KS would probably not be needed. Thats just my opinion tho.

  david06

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4/08/13 4:10:05 PM#63


Originally posted by jdnewell
And No I do not think CU funding or not funding will have any major impact either way. If the idea was so great and full of promise then KS would probably not be needed. Thats just my opinion tho.

Major publishers are far from infallible.

"They wanted it to be World War 2. Again," reveals Infinity Ward

Crowdfunding has it's problems but good ideas by good people are getting the money they need. Patrons/customers are getting or are hopefully going to get a product that they want.

  Gdemami

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4/08/13 4:25:15 PM#64


Originally posted by jonahenry

Is there something factually wrong with the statement that CSE is trying to gauge how much interest there is in the concept before going through with it?

1) Concept does not sell, implementation does. Those two are heaven and earth, especially when you have to rely on continuous revenue stream.

2) You do not need pledging to provide similar data. Kickstarter isn't there to kickstart anything, it is a business like any other - in this case it makes money on gullible people.


Venture capitalist...lol

  Troianman

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4/08/13 4:46:19 PM#65
Originally posted by jdnewell

If the rabid fans posting a new CU topic every 5 minutes garners attention and it actually funds then so much the better.

IMO it is a little much and I think its alot of hype over just an idea. But then again I for one am really hoping this gets off the ground, if spamming CU posts helps then.... Just dont read em I suppose.

Not hurting anyone and its actually good to see people supporting a game not under the umbrella of bigwig corporations. I cant say I personally understand the hype tho. If they had more than an idea / concept I may be a bit more excited.

And No I do not think CU funding or not funding will have any major impact either way. If the idea was so great and full of promise then KS would probably not be needed. Thats just my opinion tho.

Crowdfunding is all about the interested parties doing the majority of the promoting, so I definitely agree with you in that it's a good thing and not hurting anyone and it is always good to see support for titles from smaller studios not linked to large publishers.

That said, I believe the hype is due to the rather large player base that DAoC has had over the years, in addition to the fans of titles that promised awesomeness but frittered out (Darkfall and Mortal Online as two examples that have already been used), as well as games that still have a solid following (EVE Online). All of which focused on PvP, though the player could choose whether or not they focused on PvP or used the sandbox to create their own niche as many have done with EVE. Basically there are a large number of people that want something new but familiar at the same time. Not saying that all players from all of these games will instantly back and then instantly subscribe to the game but that the hype of an MMORPG from a studio headed by Mark Jacobs without a major publisher or investors only interested in a return breathing down his neck is well deserved. He is an established name in MMOs (though some would argue for a negative reason), and a kickstarter MMO of this nature is automatically news.

Finally I have a problem with the 2nd to last sentence. To state that the idea alone makes kickstarter unnecessary shows a misunderstanding of the idea behind crowdfunding in general. The power behind kickstarter is that the idea is solid, hence people support it but if it is not they don't, at least in general. By using kickstarter the devs/studio become tied to the backers (who in essence become the investors but without a monetary return) and responsible for nothing more than delivering a title that those supporters want, not a title/genre/subgame/set of features that a publisher wants, not a release date or a $ amount or a subscription #  that investors want. It allows a creator to get a sense of the interest in a specific project before they invest a large amount of time/effort/money only to find out there is no market but also to collect the additional funding necessary to truly bring this idea to life in the most appropriate way possible. In other words, if the idea alone is so great and full of promise it makes Kickstarter perfect.

  Gaoxin

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Joined: 9/20/10
Posts: 196

4/08/13 5:31:56 PM#66
what people also need to realise is that DAOC wasn't the holy fking grail of PvP. I played Anarchy Online back in 2001-2005 and I also tested DAOC. Guess what...it was as unbalanced as any other mmorpg out there. I played most of them since AO, I also played CS, Dota and SC2 in the competetive scene. Please, for whatever reason you do it, stop it already. It was most likely your first mmorpg back then and thats why you like it so much, not because it was balanced or had gread pvp.
  dinams

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4/08/13 5:52:20 PM#67

I just want to say that

 

When people go into the game forgetting that this will be indie quality

I will be here...to quote words of the past....just lurking....like a troll....cackling

"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence

  jdnewell

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4/08/13 6:06:11 PM#68
 In other words, if the idea alone is so great and full of promise it makes Kickstarter perfect.

I disagree.

And thats fine we have different opinions on the subject. I personally see KS as pretty much asking for a handout to help fund someone elses idea. Nothing wrong with that, but thats the way I see it. There are people and firms that have alot of money that these projects can be proposed to and funded by. And yes the company will be held to a timetable and expected to release a solid product thats profitable.

With KS there is no such accountability.  IMO some accountability and timetable is a good thing. Right now you have an idea that may or may not work, no real timetable, and no real accountability. If they try and fail ( hopefully not) then they have delivered on all they have to with KS.

But like I said. This is just my opinion. I am glad this project has fans and backers. High hopes it works out however that may be accomplished. =)

  skyrek

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4/08/13 6:16:11 PM#69
Well said Taurak
  Gdemami

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4/08/13 6:21:22 PM#70


Originally posted by Troianman

who in essence become the investors but without a monetary return

You might want to look up what investor or investment terms mean...


What about MMO development makes it so special business that devs should not be concerned about release schedule or financial viability of their business?


I really wonder where people get this funny idea that world will be a better place to live when anyone can produce anything. It won't, it will turn the world into a junkyard because that is what vast majority people will make - junk.


It is the invested money that put pressure to deliver what people will be willing to pay for, to return the money invested. That's the force driving innovation, technology and market forward.

Crowdfunding dilutes this responsibility because devs get paid upfront regardless of result.

It only promotes and support business with poor financial viability, if there is any.

  Sephiroso

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4/08/13 6:23:42 PM#71
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by jonahenry
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by taurak

People really need to stop fighting and arguing and realise that this is pretty much our only shot at a good PvP game any time in the near future.

Stop complaining about ToA and Warhammer, Mark knows they both sucked it up, and I am sure he knows how to fix and eliminate those issues in this new game.

Will there be some problems in this game? Likely so, I'm sure there will be some things people don't like in the game, but I'm sure there will be a lot of things that people DO like too.

 

Seriously guys, to all the trolls and naysayers, think about what you're doing. This is THE PvP game.

"THE PvP game"

Based on what? DaoC? 250k players and not all of them agree...and even then, ToA and Warhammer since...

How many people can claim they know what they are doing based on one thing, 15 years in the past with no repeats since.

"Hey I was right once, a long time ago...proof I know what I am doing today!"

Sorry, things dont work like that in the real world.

 

 

Steve Jobs was booted out of Apple in 1985.

He started a ho-hum computer company and helped with Pixar, but nothing really spectacular.

Then he returned to Apple in 1996 and made the world iCrazy.

So technically speaking, Mark Jacobs should have returned four years ago, right?

One of the great things about the human race is the ability to learn over time.

 

Except the suits at EA... they never learn.

To the OP:

 

I get it you are pationate about the game and all but complaining about the complainers is kinda, well pointless. Hoping that CU is the next big things for those craving a PvP fix...

 

EA never learns? People continuously throw money at them, they learned that they can do whatever the fuck they want and people will still buy their shit. When your actions don't have consequences, you won't learn anything.


Be the Ultimate Ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today!

  Gdemami

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4/08/13 6:28:33 PM#72


Originally posted by Sephiroso

EA never learns? People continuously throw money at them, they learned that they can do whatever the fuck they want and people will still buy their shit. When your actions don't have consequences, you won't learn anything.

Maybe if people keep throwing money on them, it probably ain't so much of "shit" and they just enjoy it...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

  papabear151

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Joined: 11/12/12
Posts: 88

4/08/13 6:31:52 PM#73

Or i can just vote with my wallet and give developers the choice to either make me good games or get no $$$ from me.

 

Since I'm intelligent I'll take that choice.

  papabear151

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4/08/13 6:34:41 PM#74
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Sephiroso

EA never learns? People continuously throw money at them, they learned that they can do whatever the fuck they want and people will still buy their shit. When your actions don't have consequences, you won't learn anything.

 

Maybe if people keep throwing money on them, it probably ain't so much of "shit" and they just enjoy it...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Alright dude, Occam's razor doesn't really apply in situations like this, the whole "simplest explanation" thing is a laymen interpretation of a scientific concept that doesn't really apply to standard real life stuff.

On top of this, the simplest explanation to me is that people are dumb and will buy anything faddish. If you think people buying crap games for no reason from a game company that has repeated screwed it's customers (and been rated as worst company on the planet) is easier to explain than "dumb people brainwashed into mindless consumerism" then I have a sad truth for you.

  Gdemami

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4/08/13 6:36:49 PM#75


Originally posted by papabear151

Alright dude, Occam's razor doesn't really apply in situations like this, the whole "simplest explanation" thing is a laymen interpretation of a scientific concept that doesn't really apply to standard real life stuff.

I would say your post proves otherwise...

  skyexile

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Joined: 8/14/07
Posts: 701

4/08/13 6:51:56 PM#76


Originally posted by meddyck
TESO is being released in the nearer future than CU, so you're a little off. It's way too soon to know whether TESO will be another disappointment like WAR or GW 2 or if Matt Frior can actually make a new MMO that successfully mixes PvE and RvR of course.

Im calling it now, its gonna suck.

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  Troianman

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4/08/13 7:10:27 PM#77
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Troianman

who in essence become the investors but without a monetary return

 

You might want to look up what investor or investment terms mean...

Yah, the word investment doesn't actually automatically mean $$ is given or returned. It may be a common association however one can invest interest, time, effort, etc. Money is just one of the many things that can be invested into something but not the only thing. 

  Nihilist

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4/08/13 10:59:16 PM#78

No publisher is going to back an MMO that doesnt have a PVE treadmill to grind through with a full box price, and a pay2win cash shop.

Mark could have easily sold the idea of a DAOC 2 WoW clone that would appeal to the mass market to publishers and probably got funded.

The point is that he didn't. He wants to make an extremely risky game that might actually be innovative and appeal to people rather than be a 30 days and done MMO of the month.

He is actually doing the genre a favor, not make SOE / EA / NcSoft even more rich unlike most developers who are just copying WoW and trying to cash in... cough ESO, Wildstar... cough.

 

Its actually pretty appalling that people think only games approved by the publishers are the only ones that should be deserving of our support. Do we really need another ILLUM? camon people.....

  xion12121

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4/09/13 1:36:05 AM#79

"Hey guys I have a game on kickstarter  It's called "  Tri Wars Nation" there is no pictures or game art, and no videos but it will be full pvp and have player housing. Donate me your money so I can begin this project with my team and we can allow the fans to shape the game they want it. If you donate $25  $50 etc. , then we will provide you with some nice perks. Thank you for your cotinued support. " 

Did that quote above sound cooL? Oh heck yah it did because I just made it up. The team at CU have not shown you zilch. 

1. How will you know if the graphics turn out to your liking? 

      What if graphics end up terrible and doesn't match your expectation 

2. How do you know they will complete it in 2 years? 

      They could end up taking longer and come back later and ask for more kickstarter money ( would you donate more?)

3. The project could end up being scrapped due to not enough funds? 

      Then what? 

4. What happens if they decide to scrap the whole project? 

     What happens to everyones donation? 

 Too many " ifs" and "when" you will have better luck throwing your money into the stock market and  actually win something. If you want to throw money away then so be it but don't be on a campaign with your avatar finding other gullible people to do so as well. If you want to ruin yourself fine, but don't drag others down with you.

I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....

  grogstorm

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If it ain't broke, dont fix it!

4/09/13 2:20:17 AM#80
Originally posted by xion12121

"Hey guys I have a game on kickstarter  It's called "  Tri Wars Nation" there is no pictures or game art, and no videos but it will be full pvp and have player housing. Donate me your money so I can begin this project with my team and we can allow the fans to shape the game they want it. If you donate $25  $50 etc. , then we will provide you with some nice perks. Thank you for your cotinued support. " 

Did that quote above sound cooL? Oh heck yah it did because I just made it up. The team at CU have not shown you zilch. 

1. How will you know if the graphics turn out to your liking? 

      What if graphics end up terrible and doesn't match your expectation 

2. How do you know they will complete it in 2 years? 

      They could end up taking longer and come back later and ask for more kickstarter money ( would you donate more?)

3. The project could end up being scrapped due to not enough funds? 

      Then what? 

4. What happens if they decide to scrap the whole project? 

     What happens to everyones donation? 

 Too many " ifs" and "when" you will have better luck throwing your money into the stock market and  actually win something. If you want to throw money away then so be it but don't be on a campaign with your avatar finding other gullible people to do so as well. If you want to ruin yourself fine, but don't drag others down with you.

You need to read the kickstarter bylaws.  A lot of this is already covered.

Grog

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