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  Loktofeit

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4/04/13 9:54:56 AM#21
Originally posted by JeroKane

Yup here we go! Ingame shop and Bits are affected to by the rollback!  What a joke! /shrug

Lost HOURS of character progression!

The server maintenance rolled back my character. I lost 50 EGO levels, bufftime and lockboxes bought with BITS, rare weapons and tons of salvage and scrip.

My BITs count did not reset, so not only did I lose half a day worth of my time, but also money spent in the ingame shop!

I really like this game, but this is not acceptable without compensation.

 

If you lost all that from a minor rollback, it isn't worth the time or effort to compensate you because you'll be gone in a month anyway.

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  Eladi

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4/04/13 9:55:39 AM#22
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Originally posted by JeroKane

So far it seems to be a 2-3 hours rollback!

Absolutely insane and should not happen in a live game!

Server crashes are bound to happen when the game is new and servers being hammered during launch....so that's ok. 

But database rollbacks like these are a really big "NO NO" and can really be a game killer and threaten the future of this game.

 

 

It is entirely possible that the backend database itself stopped writing for some reason & data was not being recorded for hours before the crash. In which case all the redundancies & backups in the world would have made no difference. It sucks but these things can & do happen in live environments. They should cease bits purchasing & go back through pitch histories & fix the balances of all players who spent cash before enabling bits purchasing again.

 That is impossible in a Live Online game with persistant data, progression, purchases as these. As it would be immediately noticable by players.

It would mean no loot drops. Or loot not appearing in your inventory when looting. Purchases not being processed and showing up. Impossible to take new missions nor completing existing ones.

So no. If the database stops writing, then the whole game basically stops!  It's like losing your connection to the game server without being kicked!

untrue, databases are far more then jsut stupit data these days.  you often have alot of them running at the same time.

  Doogiehowser

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OP  4/04/13 10:10:52 AM#23
Originally posted by Eladi
Complains complains complains, there has not bin a single new mmo in the history of mmo's whitout a rollback in its first weeks. most happen during first week, often also in the later weeks.

I would like to know more examples. Since you said every single MMO had roll backs in first week.

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  JeroKane

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4/04/13 10:49:40 AM#24
Originally posted by Eladi
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Originally posted by JeroKane

So far it seems to be a 2-3 hours rollback!

Absolutely insane and should not happen in a live game!

Server crashes are bound to happen when the game is new and servers being hammered during launch....so that's ok. 

But database rollbacks like these are a really big "NO NO" and can really be a game killer and threaten the future of this game.

 

 

It is entirely possible that the backend database itself stopped writing for some reason & data was not being recorded for hours before the crash. In which case all the redundancies & backups in the world would have made no difference. It sucks but these things can & do happen in live environments. They should cease bits purchasing & go back through pitch histories & fix the balances of all players who spent cash before enabling bits purchasing again.

 That is impossible in a Live Online game with persistant data, progression, purchases as these. As it would be immediately noticable by players.

It would mean no loot drops. Or loot not appearing in your inventory when looting. Purchases not being processed and showing up. Impossible to take new missions nor completing existing ones.

So no. If the database stops writing, then the whole game basically stops!  It's like losing your connection to the game server without being kicked!

untrue, databases are far more then jsut stupit data these days.  you often have alot of them running at the same time.

No, as every time you complete an action... being it starting a mission (writing to mission log), completing a mission (writing to mission log), getting a reward (writing to inventory log), getting a loot drop (writing to inventory log), applying EGO skill (writing to character log), etc, etc needs to be written to the database. If not, you won't be able to start a mission, complete a mission, see items missing in your inventory you just got and/or looted, etc, etc.

That all this data might be spread over different databases doesn't matter, as every time you open your character sheet, mission log, inventory, map, etc you will read from either database to load most recent data!

So if the database(s) stop writing due to whatever error, like you are suggesting.... then it's like you are losing connection to the server without actually being disconnected.

  User Deleted
4/04/13 1:58:33 PM#25
Originally posted by Voiidiin

Honestly i never expected Trion hosing this game so much, seems so out of normal for this developer. 

For me this takes 2nd place for worst release on an MMO Anarchy Online still holds #1 slot but this si a very close second. 

Really odd considering how smooth Rift was, did they think a half assed approach was gonna be ok ?

I would suggest you need to get out more as far as game launches if this is even on your top 10 list.

Yeah anarchy online was bad but certainly on a completely different level than defiance has been.  Anarchy online the game crashed like every 15min, that is when the servers were up.  Granted back in 2001 gamers were less emotional and it wasnt nearly as big of a deal (though it sucked)

Roll backs suck, ive dealt with them on more occasions than i would like to admit.  It is out of place for Trion, however i suspect this game is being used as a test bed for their "one server" technology or whatever.  Lets not forget that the Rift servers did go down on launch as well, and i really cant think of any decently populated launch that didnt have some form of stability issue.

It will get worked out.  Still amazed that people who are sensitive to bad launches and game issues continue to preorder games and participate in launches...seems like such an easy thing to do is just wait two weeks and miss the issues.

 

Ive only had issues connection on day one (as i did when beta went live), other than that, and a glitched mission....i havent had issues, i havent had time to play 15 hours a day though so i guess once i log off shit hits the fan in defiance, i must be super lucky lol

 

 

  User Deleted
4/04/13 6:49:06 PM#26
I think I will wait until tomorrow and see if I can finally make it intot he game.
  MMOExposed

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4/04/13 6:53:26 PM#27
Which server this happen on? Was planning to get on PS3.

  DMKano

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4/04/13 11:37:47 PM#28

Interesting - I got DC'd at the same time last night as everybody (around 1am Central) - my entire guild got dropped - so it was server wide.

None of us got rolled back at all - zip.

 

  User Deleted
4/05/13 4:05:04 AM#29

I was pretty discouraged when I logged in this morning to see my character had lost about 75 EGO points.  Ended up not taking very long to recoup them since I'd already done the quests and stuff once, and was able to breeze through them again, but still kind of annoying.

I'm over it now though.  For as many problems as the game has, it's still incredibly fun.  I'm just trying to not judge it soley as an MMO, because it's really not.  I will say that I haven't had as much fun in an MMO during the last 5 years as I have with taking down Arkfalls and running dungeons with people.  The game really does "big-ass-boss" design very well, and the fights are fun in an edge-of-your-seat sort of way.  Great stuff, and a real nice change of pace from the standard MMO stuff.

  User Deleted
4/05/13 4:08:31 AM#30
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, it was a database failure that resulted in the rollbacks.  I dont' have any more specifics, but I'm guessing the database server crashed under load and what we lost was transaction log data that hadn't quite got recorded to the DB, and was probably corrupted as a result.
  SupportPlayerMM

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4/05/13 5:15:03 AM#31
Originally posted by DMKano

Interesting - I got DC'd at the same time last night as everybody (around 1am Central) - my entire guild got dropped - so it was server wide.

None of us got rolled back at all - zip.

 

So much like the PC patching error you and everyone you know as well as I and everyone I know once again are the luckiest people on the planet to never face a serious issue with the game... it's either that we're recruits of the Illuminati gamer branch or others are exaggerating, lying and making shtko up. What the jek....

  Doogiehowser

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OP  4/05/13 5:43:08 AM#32
Originally posted by DMKano

Interesting - I got DC'd at the same time last night as everybody (around 1am Central) - my entire guild got dropped - so it was server wide.

None of us got rolled back at all - zip.

 

Good for you bud! i am really happy for you.

 

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  fallenlords

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4/05/13 6:03:02 AM#33
Xbox has got some issues, disappearing items for one linked to Salvage Matrix (thought I didn't sell that gun).  Some lag and server crashes (not that I have encountered but are reported).  Not sure if we had a roll back though. 
  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

4/05/13 6:10:23 AM#34
I've been encountering a huge amount of bugs while playing Defiance, but shooting them in the mouth usually makes short work of them.

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  Leethe

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4/05/13 6:13:15 AM#35
Meh. Lost a few levels and a few weapons. As it took me virtually no time to get them, no big deal. I also make it a habit of NEVER using a cash shop when a game is still in its launch stage. Bad Idea. I usually just cruise around and mess about until things stablize in a week or two. Been playing MMOs in 2001 and this is nothing new. People need to calm down and relax. it's not like getting upset is going to make things happen faster. You bought the game already so they already have your money. Time to sit back, relax and think of something happy.

There is NO miracle patch.

95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

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  Ticonz

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4/05/13 6:27:39 AM#36
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Eladi
Complains complains complains, there has not bin a single new mmo in the history of mmo's whitout a rollback in its first weeks. most happen during first week, often also in the later weeks.

I would like to know more examples. Since you said every single MMO had roll backs in first week.

 

Games that should have rolled back but didn't:  

Warhammer Online when everyone was trading territories back and forth and maxed out their pvp ranks within an hour.

Same story with SWTOR and Illum... and the pad camping.. that was funny...

Games that had rollbacks:  Age of Conan and their constant loss of information,  World of Warcraft had one early on but i forgot the details on why it happened.  Rift had a brief memory dump at launch,  The Secret World launch had a rollback of 30 minutes or so during launch week.

Path of Exile had server issues when during its first week of announcing there would be no more charater wipes that resulted in a lot of hardcore players dying.. I say that's the worst rollback you can get....

Point is.. it happens to the best of them.. and its not gonna be the last time it happens in a game.  When companies try new things.. sometimes.. bad things happen.  

  falconhand

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4/08/13 11:31:53 AM#37
Originally posted by Leethe
Meh. Lost a few levels and a few weapons. As it took me virtually no time to get them, no big deal. I also make it a habit of NEVER using a cash shop when a game is still in its launch stage. Bad Idea. I usually just cruise around and mess about until things stablize in a week or two. Been playing MMOs in 2001 and this is nothing new. People need to calm down and relax. it's not like getting upset is going to make things happen faster. You bought the game already so they already have your money. Time to sit back, relax and think of something happy.

Best advice ever. Glad enough no problems for me still, but thats the eu, and I did bad enough spend some money allready in the cash shop. Could not resist some head and rest of armor gear for the visual look. But for the rest stay far away from cashshop when game just starts.

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