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  Sornin

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4/07/13 1:14:05 AM#141

I hardly think it is fair to label a video game company as the worst company in America! It is not like they are responsible for aggressive foreign politics like energy companies, or trying as hard as possible to deny people healthcare like HMOs.

EA has made some great games and still can; if only they would treat their staff a bit better and avoid ridiculous DRM they could get back to the glory days of the '90s.

  Distopia

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4/07/13 1:38:11 AM#142
Originally posted by NecromanticD
Short answer is, EA is the wost -gaming related- company. as for overall, not even close. as others have posted other companies have caused alot more devestation on a worldwide scale. EA just screws gaming.

I mean this question honestly, as I can think of some things I've personally experienced in gaming that were far worse than anything I've ever heard of EA doing.

 What criteria dictates worst of the worse? Greed? Monetization? Actions toward the public? or is this more of an all of the above type of thing? No matter the criteria, I can think of a decent up and runner for the title of setting the worst precedents in gaming.

SOE for starters, this is just a small entity governing over a spcefic niche within it's overall parent company, and they've done some seriously horrible things over the years. Of note to mention are their complete and utter disservice to fans of VG:SOH over years and years of paying a sub. Their fiasco early on with EQ2 (which required complete rewrites to a live product), SWG need I even explain this one? The first few years of SOE F2P; which pioneered a lot of these monetization schemes for F2P transitions everyone loves to hate on EA for today. If these were the people running the Ps3 instead of MMO's who do you think would be gracing this poll option with their name?

As MMO gamers I'd think we'd be far more worried about what this company does in the future over EA. Even considering we've heard the word sandbox out of them a few times, which oddly enough seemed to quiet much of the SOE hate around here. Kind of makes me ask myself, what would reaction be to this article , had EA/Bioware made SWG2.? :)

 

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OP  4/07/13 1:57:18 AM#143
Originally posted by Quizzical

Some people here are arguing that oil companies or financial companies or some such are worse than EA largely because they're more consequential.  While acknowledging that it's an apples and oranges comparison, here's one way to compare.

What if EA had never existed?  There would be other gaming companies to take their place, of course.  For that matter, a number of companies that EA has bought out and run into the ground might still exist and still be making good games.  Maybe some other company would have bought them out, but even if they bought out Maxis or Westwood or Mythic or whatever and then didn't proceed to run the company into the ground, wouldn't that be an improvement?  Maybe some other company would have stepped up and replaced EA's shenanigans; one could argue that there's enough money to be made from EA's mistreatment of gamers that someone else might have filled that niche even if EA never existed.  But there's a good chance that the world would be a better place.

Now what if ExxonMobil had never existed?  The oil they've produced would have been produced by someone else instead.  Maybe it would have been done by Chevron or British Petroleum or Royal Dutch Shell or some such.  Would the world be all that different if the same employees using the same methods dug up the same oil under the banner of a different parent company?  If some of ExxonMobil's oil didn't get dug up, most likely it would have been replaced by other oil production elsewhere in the world--and likely in places that are less careful about environmental damage.  Would that make the world a better place?  Or would it make it a worse place?  If ExxonMobil never existed, the world would as likely be a worse place for it as better.  So are they really that evil?

Someone who thinks all oil companies are evil might answer "yes" to that.  So let's back up the question further.  What if the oil industry never existed?  What if humans never noticed that burning fossil fuels is a highly efficient way to produce energy?  In that case, the bulk of modern industrialization would probably never have happened.  We wouldn't be here having this discussion because the Internet wouldn't exist.  We would work harder to be poorer, we'd be sicker because many diseases wouldn't have been cured, and we'd die younger.  Would that really be a better world?  Are the companies that ward off that fate really so evil for doing so?

The environment wouldn't necessarily be better off for it, either, as people who aren't sure whether they will have enough food to eat tend not to be terribly concerned about the environment.  Smokestacks are today seen as a symbol of pollution and environmental degradation, but they were once seen primarily as a symbol of technological progress and the promise of a better life.  Ford once needed four smokestacks on a factory, but built a fifth non-functional one as a decoration.

So yes, if EA never existed, the world would be a better place, as the other companies that would exist instead would probably be better.  How many other companies can we say that about with any reasonable certainty?  I'd argue that if we can't credibly argue that the world would be better if this or that particular company never existed, it shouldn't be in the running for worst company in America.

Man Quiz your a deep thinker. My head hurts now reading yourt post. After all you do make good points. TY

  niceguy3978

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4/07/13 11:13:09 AM#144
Originally posted by Isturi

It is amazing in how someone can word things. I do appoligize to anyone and or to EA who may feel that I was attacking EA in a nagative way. Looking back I did not mean to indirctly imply that EA is the worst company in America. I simply just wanted to get a honest opinion from posters of this comunity in if they agree or disagree if EA should win the contest of being "The Worst company in America" award.

So I changed the title of this thread to "Is EA the worst company in America?" This of course is my attention from the start to pose this question from post one. After all my poll did convay that.

I have no problem attacking EA in a negative way.  I think they are the worst gaming company in America, that is just my opinion of course.  I however, don't think they would break the top 50 worst companies in America.  The banking industry, private prison industry, corporate farms, all rank worse as far as worst companies go.  I just don't see how a bad game company (even the worst) could be considered the worse company over industries that have so much more of a negative impact on the environment, the economy, the criminal justice system, or society as a whole.  I get that this is a gaming site and people are going to vote for what they no, so it is expected that due to name recognition alone they would win on a gaming site.  But some of the responses are, interesting.  Especially those who seem to claim that people saying that EA isn't the worst company in America are somehow defending EA.

  Axehilt

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4/07/13 3:25:21 PM#145
Originally posted by NecromanticD
Short answer is, EA is the wost -gaming related- company. as for overall, not even close. as others have posted other companies have caused alot more devestation on a worldwide scale. EA just screws gaming.

So being the worst games industry company has nothing to do with whether the games are fun?

If I was stuck on a magical deserted island with a one-company-only firewall, EA might not be my first choice, but it would absolutely be way above many minor poorly-known companies who haven't ever released anything fun.

It's interesting that gameplay isn't all that matters for many players in this discussion, and that gamers so easily fall for the Big Scapegoat Company rather than voting for companies which are truly bad.

  Quizzical

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4/07/13 4:08:37 PM#146
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by NecromanticD
Short answer is, EA is the wost -gaming related- company. as for overall, not even close. as others have posted other companies have caused alot more devestation on a worldwide scale. EA just screws gaming.

So being the worst games industry company has nothing to do with whether the games are fun?

If I was stuck on a magical deserted island with a one-company-only firewall, EA might not be my first choice, but it would absolutely be way above many minor poorly-known companies who haven't ever released anything fun.

It's interesting that gameplay isn't all that matters for many players in this discussion, and that gamers so easily fall for the Big Scapegoat Company rather than voting for companies which are truly bad.

That's an argument for quantity over quality.

I've only played two EA games, and they were both astoundingly awful.  As in, whoever thought that this game was ready to release should be fired awful.  And they were console games, so you can't just update them later.  Well, EA kind of updated them later, by selling the updated version as an entirely new game that you'd have to pay for all over again.  Speaking of which, EA was the pioneer in trying to convince people to rebuy the same game with only minor tweaks every single year, which is yet another reason why they deserve the award.

  Distopia

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4/07/13 4:22:41 PM#147
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by NecromanticD
Short answer is, EA is the wost -gaming related- company. as for overall, not even close. as others have posted other companies have caused alot more devestation on a worldwide scale. EA just screws gaming.

So being the worst games industry company has nothing to do with whether the games are fun?

If I was stuck on a magical deserted island with a one-company-only firewall, EA might not be my first choice, but it would absolutely be way above many minor poorly-known companies who haven't ever released anything fun.

It's interesting that gameplay isn't all that matters for many players in this discussion, and that gamers so easily fall for the Big Scapegoat Company rather than voting for companies which are truly bad.

That's an argument for quantity over quality.

I've only played two EA games, and they were both astoundingly awful.  As in, whoever thought that this game was ready to release should be fired awful.  And they were console games, so you can't just update them later.  Well, EA kind of updated them later, by selling the updated version as an entirely new game that you'd have to pay for all over again.  Speaking of which, EA was the pioneer in trying to convince people to rebuy the same game with only minor tweaks every single year, which is yet another reason why they deserve the award.

Well I don't know about that as there are a number of studios that have done this since the NES era, many of those titles were essentially the same game with different skins, I'd be quicker to hand such an award to Activision as they're a huge offender in this and always have been. Look at Koei they've been making the same damn game for what feels like decades.

Besides doesn't this describe this very genre fairly well, at least since 04?

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  Onigod

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4/07/13 4:28:09 PM#148
Dont know if its the worst company but i am someone that no longer touches any product that has EA even slightly involved.
  Axehilt

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4/07/13 4:32:32 PM#149
Originally posted by Quizzical

That's an argument for quantity over quality.

I've only played two EA games, and they were both astoundingly awful.  As in, whoever thought that this game was ready to release should be fired awful.  And they were console games, so you can't just update them later.  Well, EA kind of updated them later, by selling the updated version as an entirely new game that you'd have to pay for all over again.  Speaking of which, EA was the pioneer in trying to convince people to rebuy the same game with only minor tweaks every single year, which is yet another reason why they deserve the award.

Well then let's say the deserted island only allows the best 2 games from a company.  EA still comes out near the top of the list (if anything it does better in that scenario.)

"Best 2" is actually closer to how gamers view games anyway.  If a company takes 30 shots on goal or 2, all that matters to players is whether the games they opt into are high quality.

Perhaps most gamers are simply unaware of the sheer magnitude of poorly-known companies out there who put out terrible games.

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4/07/13 4:38:40 PM#150

Calling a gaming company the "worst in America" really shows just how close to the edge our society is.  Is it the worst tech company in America?  Maybe.  Is it the worst entertainment company in America?  Probably.

Is it worse than Congress?  Probably not.  Is it worse than any of the Big Oil companies out there?  Not in the slightest.

  StonesDK

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4/07/13 4:38:56 PM#151

People care about what directly affects them so gamers naturally care about gaming more than some oil spill they only read about in the news. Common sense.

Gamers are also more likely to vote in online polls than mr and mrs America sitting at home with a lot of opinions

 

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  Quizzical

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4/07/13 7:58:17 PM#152
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by NecromanticD
Short answer is, EA is the wost -gaming related- company. as for overall, not even close. as others have posted other companies have caused alot more devestation on a worldwide scale. EA just screws gaming.

So being the worst games industry company has nothing to do with whether the games are fun?

If I was stuck on a magical deserted island with a one-company-only firewall, EA might not be my first choice, but it would absolutely be way above many minor poorly-known companies who haven't ever released anything fun.

It's interesting that gameplay isn't all that matters for many players in this discussion, and that gamers so easily fall for the Big Scapegoat Company rather than voting for companies which are truly bad.

That's an argument for quantity over quality.

I've only played two EA games, and they were both astoundingly awful.  As in, whoever thought that this game was ready to release should be fired awful.  And they were console games, so you can't just update them later.  Well, EA kind of updated them later, by selling the updated version as an entirely new game that you'd have to pay for all over again.  Speaking of which, EA was the pioneer in trying to convince people to rebuy the same game with only minor tweaks every single year, which is yet another reason why they deserve the award.

Well I don't know about that as there are a number of studios that have done this since the NES era, many of those titles were essentially the same game with different skins, I'd be quicker to hand such an award to Activision as they're a huge offender in this and always have been. Look at Koei they've been making the same damn game for what feels like decades.

Besides doesn't this describe this very genre fairly well, at least since 04?

Making fairly similar games is one thing.

Making almost exactly the same game except that you updated the player rosters to be a year more recent, as EA has so often done with its sports games, is quite another.

  Quizzical

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4/07/13 8:16:19 PM#153

I'm actually somewhat puzzled by the number of people saying "but the oil companies are worse" without picking out a particular oil company that is much worse than the rest.

I've avoided anything EA made for about 18 years or so now.  Have the people who say that the oil companies are worse avoided buying anything made from or using oil in the last year?  How about the last week?  The last five seconds, even?  In many places, the electricity you're using right now to read this forces an answer of "no" to that last one.

You might say, but you can't because so many things use oil.  But that's just it:  the big oil companies make so much of modern technology possible.  Take away the fossil fuels (and if you hate oil companies, you should probably hate coal companies for about the same reasons) and most of modern industrialization never happens.  The only major energy sources other than burning fossil fuels are hydroelectric (which is limited by geography) and nuclear (which is advanced enough that humanity may not have discovered it yet without fossil fuels to help us along).

I'd be open to an argument along the lines of, "This particular oil company is worse than EA, because just like EA is so much worse than most gaming companies, this particular oil company is so much worse than most other oil companies for these reasons."  But no one seems to be making that argument.  If you want to make the argument that all oil companies are evil but you'll help fund them anyway because you like the products that they make possible, then either you're a hypocrite or claiming to be evil yourself.

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OP  4/07/13 8:22:47 PM#154
If any thing this thread has prove that EA is not the best game company in America. It should prove intreasting if EA wins tomorrow. If they do win will they care? Will they try to be a better company? Give us better customer care? Give us better games and not just redone games? Prob not.
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OP  4/07/13 8:29:35 PM#155
Originally posted by Quizzical

I'm actually somewhat puzzled by the number of people saying "but the oil companies are worse" without picking out a particular oil company that is much worse than the rest.

I've avoided anything EA made for about 18 years or so now.  Have the people who say that the oil companies are worse avoided buying anything made from or using oil in the last year?  How about the last week?  The last five seconds, even?  In many places, the electricity you're using right now to read this forces an answer of "no" to that last one.

You might say, but you can't because so many things use oil.  But that's just it:  the big oil companies make so much of modern technology possible.  Take away the fossil fuels (and if you hate oil companies, you should probably hate coal companies for about the same reasons) and most of modern industrialization never happens.  The only major energy sources other than burning fossil fuels are hydroelectric (which is limited by geography) and nuclear (which is advanced enough that humanity may not have discovered it yet without fossil fuels to help us along).

I'd be open to an argument along the lines of, "This particular oil company is worse than EA, because just like EA is so much worse than most gaming companies, this particular oil company is so much worse than most other oil companies for these reasons."  But no one seems to be making that argument.  If you want to make the argument that all oil companies are evil but you'll help fund them anyway because you like the products that they make possible, then either you're a hypocrite or claiming to be evil yourself.

And if those same people who say that the oil companies are worse will they still buy oil for their cars?

  Quizzical

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4/07/13 8:30:43 PM#156
Remember that to win the contest tomorrow, EA doesn't have to be the worst company in America.  They only have to be worse than Ticketmaster.  And then, in the finals, the "winner" of Comcast and Bank of America.
  Magiknight

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4/07/13 8:33:07 PM#157
The casinos are at least as bad as all of the companies named in this thread.
  Malinkadink

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4/07/13 8:34:33 PM#158

Time and time again its been deduced that corporate EA is only interested in their pocketbooks. Even some developers care more about the money than the quality of their product. If something is a big name game like Star Wars i feel that they ride on the success that the name alone will bring them in sales, which in turn makes them less likely to produce something deemed very good and will add to the gameplay in a positive way. 

Now most of us are impatient and wants games ASAP, and EA is good at getting games out ASAP, but it translates to usually being an unpolished product. The sad part is not only does EA take the heat for a poorly finished game but the studio that developed it gets flamed as well, which is unfair when they had tight deadlines and couldnt fix everything. Luckily it usually works out in the longrun when the game is out the door it will be patched and remedied for better or worse, but by then its already too late at times.

As for EA being the worst company in America, no that is a foolish statement, but are they the worst when it comes to the gaming industry, yeah i think i would label them the worst. They killed the good that was my beloved Command and Conquer series, and it amazes me how they managed to do that when the formula for the game was already there and practically perfect. All they had to do was continue down the path Westwood had been going and continue with the Tiberium universe and obviously bring the graphical improvements with newer games.

  aesperus

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4/07/13 8:37:42 PM#159

This really depends on your perspective.

While there are companies that globally do a lot more damage than EA, I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of internal damage a company like EA actually does. Their entire business model is based off of acquiring talented studios and driving them into the ground. I think they've closed more gaming studios than another other company in the industry. Furthermore, though they've gotten better about it, they have a pretty notorious track record for abusing their artists. Practices like overworking artists, without paying overtime + no benefits are just the start. They're have been cases of them flat out not paying people who have worked on their games in the past.

That said, the company has gotten better when it comes to its artists, especially after all the legal issues they've had to deal with. However, they are still one of the most destructive companies in the gaming industry, and it does have an effect on the overall economy.

Personally, I wouldn't say they are 'the' worst company in America, but I'd say they deserve to be in the top 5.

  Rusque

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4/07/13 8:42:15 PM#160

Well various companies could win the "worst" label in certain categories. Ethics, success, destruction, pollution and so on. It would be difficult to say any one company is the overall worst.

But like others have said, in the gaming world EA is the worst. They absorb good development houses and obliterate them, they churn out crap and repeatedly show how little they care for their customers.

I haven't purchased an EA game for ages, at least since ps2 was current gen.

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