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  Eir_S

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Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4701

GW2 socialist.

4/06/13 12:06:02 PM#41

Well that was pretty damn fast.  I thought you started a thread like, less than a week ago about how much you enjoyed it?  Or am I thinking of someone else? 

Regardless, I don't expect it to last me a long time, but I do expect to get my money's worth down the road, even at around 30 bucks..

Either way, it's B2P.  Like GW2, they've made a good profit.

  KaiserPhoenix

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Joined: 1/28/13
Posts: 63

4/06/13 12:16:05 PM#42
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

I hope you only talkign about yourself when you say 'bank is not needed'. I have even bought the inventory slots from the shop and maxed out ark hunter cods to get more inventory but it simply not enough. Given that you need a lot of different kind of weapons in the game and on top of that all the mods and ifferent ype of gernades..it is easily adds up.

So yes bank is needed to stash these items, especially mods. I have mdos for weapons i havent even got yet but savign them in inventory is a pain. 

Even Borderland had banks to stash items i am sure Defiance can do better for a game who tries to pass itself as a MMO.

As far as co op mission goes they don't come soon enough. I am almsot 300 ego skills and i still have that same one co op map. I just ignore it now. Compared to rift where there were so many dungeons avilable to you at low levels, if nothign else it helps you to branch out a bit more and adds a little variety in gameplay.

And people not choosing to talk..well i wouldn't bother talking too if chat system was this horrible. However as of today chat isn't working again. So no choice atleast today.

Youre almost 300.... out of 5000. Youre 6% of the way to being maxed out. I wasnt aware being 6% of your max level is considered high. Thats the same as being level 6 in a game with 100 max, or level 3 in a game with 50 max. How many dungeons did you have to do in Rift at similar levels? Thought so.

I play couple of hours a day maybe 3 at most. So you are saying that for people like me  don't have the right to see more co op maps because well i am only 6% through the game? in Rift i had atleast 3 to 4 dungeons opened up at low levels. 

I am sorry if i would like to see more variety between running main missions and side missions.

By the way only because 5000 is cap for ego skill doesn't mean that co ops and PVP is designed keeping that in mind. Unless you are really a hardcore players skill comes slowly and most will just either get bored or quit seeing same stuff over and over again even before they hit say 1000 skills.

Lower levels are most vital to pull players in. I don't know why players will continue to do same stuff over and over again because all the cool stuff will unlock at 2000 or 3000 points.

 

This doesnt even make sense. Dont have the right? Did you whine on Rift that EVERY dungeon wasnt available at low levels? Maybe, but I doubt it. Youre completely missing the point. You ARE low level. Extremely low level. As I said in my post to Volgore, 5000 is the current cap for Season 1. That will most likely be expanded upon in the next season. Clearly the  content which gets added throughout all of Season 1 of the show (which hasnt even started yet) would be designed for the 5000 cap. Is it all in right this moment? No. Everyone who paid any attention to the game was aware of that before the game even launched. Still dont get why people complain about it.

Its like watching people go to a restaraunt, order a hot meal, then when the waitress brings it they warn them "The plate is very hot, be careful". Then 30 seconds later they touch the plate, burn themselves, and start whining to the manager that the plate was hot and burned them. Completely disregarding the fact that they already knew ahead of time, after being warned by the staff, that the effing plate is hot.

Or better yet. Paying for an annual subscription to a weekly magazine. Then you get the 1st issue and immediately call up raging at them because they didnt send you the entire year worth of magazines that 1st week. Seems pretty idiotic doesnt it?

 

You blame him for demanding a variety of content at "low level" yet also blame people who want "rpg" elements, since this is a "shooter and not a rpg" according to you.

This is funny.

  jmcdermottuk

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Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 799

4/06/13 12:25:15 PM#43

Can't be bothered to quote this whole thing but one of the things a lot of people have been moaning about with new MMO's is the time it takes to max your char. I agree completely with this because the levelling is far too fast.

 

So yeah, if you're 6% of the way through the MMO then it's still "low level" and there wouldn't be lots of co-op runs at that level in any other MMO. I'm quite happy that Trion have paced the character development slowly. It gives people something to aim for instead of the "end game" treadmill of repetitive raids for "phat lewtz".

 

I'd much rather earn my xp and EGO points in Shadow Wars. Something a bit more unpredictable that a scripted boss fight that anyone can run with the right mods installed.

 

Opinions will vary, but that's my take on things. I'm enjoying it, and I haven't even run a Co-Op yet, at EGO 383.

  Harafnir

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Joined: 2/18/04
Posts: 1372

4/06/13 12:37:58 PM#44

From LOVE to HATE... With caps and all.You LOVED this... game... now you HATE this... game. Big big words.. big big emotions.You know. Most people like games.. or maybe dislike a game... and most often without caps as well.

I have so many friendly advice to you. How your life could improve with just a minor change in priorities, lovelife too it seems. But I wont, you seem to have all too much fun tellling other people what to do.

Can you feel the LOVE!

"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"

  kaiser3282

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 2645

4/06/13 12:39:20 PM#45
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by kaiser3282

Youre almost 300.... out of 5000. Youre 6% of the way to being maxed out. I wasnt aware being 6% of your max level is considered high. Thats the same as being level 6 in a game with 100 max, or level 3 in a game with 50 max. How many dungeons did you have to do in Rift at similar levels? Thought so.

Then show me how to get to 5000 in the current game without sticking a spoon into your eye before you even reach 1500.

Ah, i see..perhaps 5000 is meant for the total game? Ok, but that is then and this is now...whatever they'll deliver somewhen has yet to be seen and is no excuse for the game's current state -which was what Doggie was talking about.

No banks is a problem NOW. Lack of content is a problem NOW. Because it affects the game as it is NOW. I have yet to see anyone complaining about what's to come in Defiance' future. What people complain about is what they've gotten for what they've paid for now.

The game comes at a full AAA price tag and doesn't contain the most basic stuff that comes with budget titles. On top of that, you have to pay for DLCs later on and there is an item shop included. Trion pulled every card there is to make cash (B2P +DLC +IS) and delivered a game without even a functional chat and a character creation that barely goes beyond chosing between male or female.

 

For someone who posts so much about Defiance you seem to actually read very little about it. 5000 as far as we know is only the cap for Season 1. There is a pursuit for exactly that in the Season 1 pursuits. It will most likely be increased next season with a new pursuit to reach the new max. Logic, its such a wonderful thing. I did actually get to over 1500 in Alpha between some wipes, had a blast doing it and am still having fun doing it all over again.

Youre complaining about content "now" when it's only been days since release and you know for a fact more content is coming very soon. Its not as if this is all some big secret and nobody was aware they were going to have limited content and continue releasing more on a regular basis. Anyone with basic reading skills knew that much about the game. If it was that big of a deal you could have easily waited to purchase it until some of that stuff got released.

As far as the new content, proving once again you dont seem to be capable of actually reading info about Defiance, not all of the new content will be paid. There will be both free and paid content being released for the DLCs. Paying will just get you access to additional missions and stuff, but choosing not to pay will not restrict you from accessing new places, doing new things, etc.

The game contains plenty of things, things you would expect to see in a shooter. You are, as usual, and as many others are doing, whining that the game does not have RPG stuff in it. MMO =/= RPG. Shooter =/= RPG. The sooner you can grasp that little tidbit, the sooner you can either enjoy having an MMOTPS or just move on with your life and go play what you clearly wanted to play all along, an RPG.

I just find it hilarious watching everyone whine how "OMG this shooter doesnt have all the features an RPG has". Do you guys also go and rage on the CoD and Halo forums every time a new one comes out because they dont have every feature your favorite RPG has? If they came out with a racing MMO would you same people be on those forums whining that this racing game isnt an RPG? The game is not, and has never claimed to be, an RPG. Stop expecting it to be one. Its really that simple.

I'm not gonna bother to refute your points as you are again wrong on too many levels, plus you make up things to proof your "point".

I just say that you should either stop trolling or someone should start to moderate your postings. You just can't seem stop taking things to a personal level, borderline insult people by questioning their reading abilities because some don't like your favorite game, have a different opinion or simply expect a little more value for their money.

 

Im betting you cant point out a single thing that Im actually wrong about. I'll even make a little list to make it easier for you to try to pinpoint something:

- 5000 EGO is listed as the cap for Season 1 only. They have not released plans for next season, but logic dictates that if there is a pursuit for reaching the cap of 5000 in Season 1, there will likely be a higher cap and another pursuit for reaching that cap in Season 2

- Defiance is a Shooter, not an RPG. 2 completely different genres with their own sets of standard / expected features & mechanics. It does blend the 2 genres in some areas, but as Trion has stated for months it is a shooter 1st. That is their focus. Not worrying about wether or not an RPG had something they dont.

- The current content is not the complete game. More will be added once the show starts.

- Much of the new content will be provided for free to everyone. Purchasing DLC packs will just give you access to additional things (like races) but are not required to experience the actual content such as story, missions, etc.

 

Your bias and refusal to see inormation that has been given to you over and over again does not make me wrong.

  kartool

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 464

4/06/13 1:33:41 PM#46
Heh, gotta love the negative bitching posts that claim to love the game at first but never even touch on a single thing they liked.
  Eir_S

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4701

GW2 socialist.

4/06/13 4:28:47 PM#47
Originally posted by kartool
Heh, gotta love the negative bitching posts that claim to love the game at first but never even touch on a single thing they liked.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5647955#5647955

  kartool

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 464

4/06/13 4:57:34 PM#48
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kartool
Heh, gotta love the negative bitching posts that claim to love the game at first but never even touch on a single thing they liked.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5647955#5647955

I'm not researching some dudes post history, he should have linked that so people could see the contrast - instead he just came across as a dude who didn't like the game and decided to bitch about it.

  Eir_S

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4701

GW2 socialist.

4/06/13 5:49:16 PM#49
Originally posted by kartool
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kartool
Heh, gotta love the negative bitching posts that claim to love the game at first but never even touch on a single thing they liked.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5647955#5647955

I'm not researching some dudes post history, he should have linked that so people could see the contrast - instead he just came across as a dude who didn't like the game and decided to bitch about it.

Yeah, I know.  I just remembered it because it was so recent lol

  Omali

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Joined: 2/16/09
Posts: 1111

4/06/13 6:44:53 PM#50
You have to press a button to use chat...you mean just like every other video game on the PC?

  kaiser3282

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 2645

4/06/13 11:53:16 PM#51
Originally posted by Omali
You have to press a button to use chat...you mean just like every other video game on the PC?

I found that pretty amusing as well. I cant think of many MMOs that dont require you to press Enter (or some other button) to start typing in chat and that doesnt do something like take you out of the chat box and make you have to press the button again to type again if you start performing other actions.

If the chat box was always on and didnt require pressing a key like Enter, you wouldnt be able to press anything else. Every key would type something in chat instead of doing things like moving you, using skills, etc. Common sense FTW!

  aesperus

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4/07/13 12:14:36 AM#52

OP.. a little bit of reality for you. EVERY game reuses assets. Every, last, one. The better devs are better at hiding this fact, but it's always there. And it should be, because otherwise you start getting extremely inefficient with your resources, for very little gain. For example, some things in a game just don't have to be unique.

That said, for such a major part of the game as Arkfalls are, I could definitely see an issue of them being too similar. I haven't played the game myself (still on the fence about it), but I could definitely understand having a negative reaction to that. It's hard to say whether it's the devs poorly designing these assets so they don't feel unique enough, or that you're just hyper perceptive of these facts, though. Even the greatest games, if you pay attention, repeat themselves.

  Asheram

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Joined: 3/24/10
Posts: 1885

What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;)

4/07/13 12:25:14 AM#53
Originally posted by 4bsolute

And here we go again...

first "Oh shiny" *throws money*

and then "What a load of ... is this!? How dare you!"

 

So maybe, just maybe, you want to actually use your brain before buying a game next time? Of course this only works if you have experience of how companies release their titles and how they gonna look like. Experienced players didnt even touch the damn title, but hey - go for it. More money wasted for companies who dont get their thing right in order to give customers proper titles that has an indepth story, a learning curve and content which makes addicting.

Learn from it. Thats all you can do. And next time ask yourself: "Do I remember myself last time? Maybe I should be a little bit more careful."

Lol love how you set yourself up on a pedastal there, so I am guessing you consider yourself one of those so called "experienced" players. I touched the title and do not regret the money I spent and dont really have many of the trouble the op is posting about, but hey I am not one of the "experienced" elitists so I guess that isnt saying much.

  Asheram

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What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;)

4/07/13 12:31:27 AM#54
Originally posted by GreenHell

*shrugs*

its a new game and people on this site only like unreleased games and GW2 so i can understand this.

 

This is just not true. They also like games that have closed and 10+ year old games that they don't play any more.

 

 

LOL

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