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  raykor

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OP  4/05/13 9:43:26 PM#1

I’ve read other devs admitting that lifetime subs are a horrible idea for a sub-based game so why are these guys going down that road?  If this game turns out to be a successful—albeit niche—venture, then the developers will need a reliable long-term income stream.  I simply can’t understand why a game committed to an old-school sub-based business model, is offering lifetime subs.

  Searias

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4/05/13 9:48:23 PM#2
Originally posted by raykor

I’ve read other devs admitting that lifetime subs are a horrible idea for a sub-based game so why are these guys going down that road?  If this game turns out to be a successful—albeit niche—venture, then the developers will need a reliable long-term income stream.  I simply can’t understand why a game committed to an old-school sub-based business model, is offering lifetime subs.

I think it was based on feedback from people to include a lifetime sub option to the kickstarter. I wonder if that option is only going to be a kickstarter only thing, once the game goes live people might not be able to get a lifetime subscription. Even when you look at it right now there is already a limit to the amount of people who can get a lifetime sub even with kickstarter.

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  BowbowDAoC

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4/05/13 9:53:52 PM#3

its only for kickstarters funders, once KS ends, i assume it'll never be available afterwards.

its a nice way to thank the backers.

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  fanglo

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4/05/13 9:58:02 PM#4
ya if it stays KS only shouldn't be a big deal. Especially since not even all the KS backers get it.

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  Raagnarz

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4/05/13 10:07:55 PM#5
Yeah only a few tiers of KS get it. If it remains contained within those tiers only then I see little harm to come from it. If the option is made available beyond that, then I would completely agree that its a bad fucking idea for a niche game.
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4/05/13 10:12:04 PM#6

 

It's usually too good a deal for those who purchase it, as they either save hundreds of dollars over a few years, or the game goes free to play and the lifetime subscribers get permanent premium accounts as well as monthly stipends of cash shop currency.

I'm still racking it in with all the games I bought lifesubs for.  xD

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  naezgul

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4/05/13 10:56:33 PM#7
Originally posted by raykor

I’ve read other devs admitting that lifetime subs are a horrible idea for a sub-based game so why are these guys going down that road?  If this game turns out to be a successful—albeit niche—venture, then the developers will need a reliable long-term income stream.  I simply can’t understand why a game committed to an old-school sub-based business model, is offering lifetime subs.

BEcause they are getting large money upfront for that

  Ogrelin

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4/06/13 6:14:25 AM#8

It's not lifetime subs.

it's three years sub free then 1 dollar/year.

So in fact they are promising to run the year for a minimum of 3 years.

  CasaFranky

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4/06/13 6:29:36 AM#9


Originally posted by Ogrelin
It's not lifetime subs.

it's three years sub free then 1 dollar/year.

So in fact they are promising to run the year for a minimum of 3 years.


1$/year is not like a free forever for you?

  meddyck

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4/06/13 6:33:54 AM#10
First the game needs to get made which means it needs Kickstarter donations. No donations, no game. Most people aren't going to want to donate enough to get the highest tiers so they needed some reward to make tiers from $250 to $500 an attractive option otherwise everybody willing to donate over $100 will just donate for the cheapest alpha tier he can afford (this is why $110 is the most popular tier). Hence the lifetime sub or approximation thereof to give people a reason to donate $250 or more.

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  Aeodo

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4/06/13 7:25:33 AM#11
Most of the money will come from 25-50$ tiers, there will be a very little percentage of total players with lifetime subs.
  Lore84

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4/06/13 7:30:05 AM#12
I don't see what the problem is, they will make up a very small percentage of the player base.

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  botrytis

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4/06/13 7:33:05 AM#13
Originally posted by Lore84
I don't see what the problem is, they will make up a very small percentage of the player base.

Ask the players who did a lifetime sub on TSW then to learn it went F2P after that.

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  Ogrelin

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4/06/13 7:35:23 AM#14


Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Lore84 I don't see what the problem is, they will make up a very small percentage of the player base.
Ask the players who did a lifetime sub on TSW then to learn it went F2P after that.

Thats why they only promise free subs for 3 years, they don't want to have the same issues like TSW... that's what I think atleast...

  Elsabolts

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4/06/13 7:46:10 AM#15

Company's now adays use Life-time subs like Lawyers.

  falconhand

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4/06/13 7:49:41 AM#16
Originally posted by naezgul
Originally posted by raykor

I’ve read other devs admitting that lifetime subs are a horrible idea for a sub-based game so why are these guys going down that road?  If this game turns out to be a successful—albeit niche—venture, then the developers will need a reliable long-term income stream.  I simply can’t understand why a game committed to an old-school sub-based business model, is offering lifetime subs.

BEcause they are getting large money upfront for that

Like he mentioned. It is a niche game. And esp at start it is lot flavor of the month kind of thing. By giving a life time sub they get at least some money in front if it is in the end not the flavor of the month succes. At the moment I see around 6000 backers that is to less for even a niche game if those are the only players who will be active. Ofcourse there will be more, but with life time subs they will get a bit more money to keep up the server etc.

Still I myself like the life time sub option and most of the time if it is a option and I like the game I take the option. First reason is now I know what kind of income I have etc and second reason is that most the time the life time option comes with some extra gifts.

  MikeJezZ

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4/06/13 7:53:29 AM#17

Well the one usd /year is also very expensive (450 USD if I remember).

 

How many MMO's HAVEN't failed within 3 years and wen't down?

 

i gotta admit I am a bit tempted though for 1 USd sub /year.

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  SBE1

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4/06/13 10:40:04 AM#18

I did the $250 digital copy life-time sub option.  If you have the coin, I think it's one of the best options available.  If the game is $50 and $15 a month after the first month, you'll spend $50 + (11x$15) = $215 in the first year on the game. So, for $35 more, I get a lifetime sub combined with founder points and access to Alpha testing?

With most PvP oriented games, I tend to play them about a year, then I stop because they keep introducing gear-grinds from PvE to continue to compete in PvP.  This game says it wont do that, so I suspect I could play this game longer than a year.  Hence the life-time sub is really cheap from that perspective.

The only way the life-time sub option isn't going to be worth it is if the game sucks donkey balls when released.  However, should it ever get improved, you can easily jump back in later.

  Aeodo

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4/06/13 10:42:40 AM#19
Well it won't be 15$/month.
  MikeJezZ

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4/06/13 10:43:38 AM#20
Originally posted by SBE1

I did the $250 digital copy life-time sub option.  If you have the coin, I think it's one of the best options available.  If the game is $50 and $15 a month after the first month, you'll spend $50 + (11x$15) = $215 in the first year on the game. So, for $35 more, I get a lifetime sub combined with founder points and access to Alpha testing?

With most PvP oriented games, I tend to play them about a year, then I stop because they keep introducing gear-grinds from PvE to continue to compete in PvP.  This game says it wont do that, so I suspect I could play this game longer than a year.  Hence the life-time sub is really cheap from that perspective.

The only way the life-time sub option isn't going to be worth it is if the game sucks donkey balls when released.  However, should it ever get improved, you can easily jump back in later.

250 USd gives no lifetime sub.

 

It gives you 6 months free sub, 6% off monthly sub.

 

USD 450 gives you 1 USD /year sub.

 

Oh didnt see theres two 250$versions.

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