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  rodingo

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OP  4/05/13 7:29:13 PM#1

I just saw this on their official forums.  Earthquake's responses aren't that encouraging.

http://www.ageofwushu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5541

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  NC360

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4/05/13 8:37:13 PM#2

If characters were allowed to be transfered over, I wouldn't have even given the game a chance considering that I was on the fence about it. I like a more fair level playing field after beta (wipe or a new server), as most new players would prefer.

Overall the game seems interesting, with a pretty big learning curve. Some things I don't like though, but it's cool.

  rodingo

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OP  4/05/13 9:29:17 PM#3
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

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  Livnthedream

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4/05/13 9:31:53 PM#4
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

^ This. The real question now is cash grab or incompetence?

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  Biskop

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4/06/13 3:09:12 AM#5
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

^ This. The real question now is cash grab or incompetence?

I'd say it's a bit of both. Snail is this game's worst enemy - I'm very disappointed both with their decision to open a new server and with these sad news. Might be I won't renew my VIP until I see how things pan out.

  AresPL

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4/06/13 3:40:08 AM#6
in chinese version when population at server drop they merge it with other, when this one become full they open new one:P probably same will be here 
  Deitylight

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4/06/13 3:45:48 AM#7
Originally posted by Biskop
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

^ This. The real question now is cash grab or incompetence?

I'd say it's a bit of both. Snail is this game's worst enemy - I'm very disappointed both with their decision to open a new server and with these sad news. Might be I won't renew my VIP until I see how things pan out.

Yep, this is all snail's fault for leaving the game open to other people for to long and now people have made long time investmeants in the game are paying for it. I mean who the hell is gonna start on bluedragon? Hell people are already making the change to the new server just to be ahead of others :/

  free2play

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4/09/13 5:03:26 AM#8

I'm guessing they are trying to control meta gaming and one, I hope it works. Two, I hope they stick to their guns if it does. I can appreciate people coming out of Beta wanting some sort of reset but binding myself to a server means so has everyone else and you might see server stability.

 

So sorry, no noob farming for you. Stay on the veteran beta server.

  Biskop

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4/09/13 8:10:55 AM#9
Originally posted by free2play

I'm guessing they are trying to control meta gaming and one, I hope it works. Two, I hope they stick to their guns if it does. I can appreciate people coming out of Beta wanting some sort of reset but binding myself to a server means so has everyone else and you might see server stability.

 

So sorry, no noob farming for you. Stay on the veteran beta server.

This is not about wanting to farm noobs, it's about keeping the progress we've invested time and money into since December. Not everyone wants to start over from scratch (and pay extra for it, too), just because Snail decided at the last minute that three servers would be a good idea.

They can hardly fill one server as i stands, I can imagine just how empty Blue Dragon will be when everyone rolls on White Tiger or Black Tortoise just to be where the action is. Kinda sucks to have no one to play with when you've spent countless hours leveling your life skills and built up considerable in-game wealth, or if you spent real money. Especially in a player driven game like this, an empty server is a disaster.

It would have been different if they had just wiped the beta chars and compensated the beta players in some way (extended VIP or some kind of rewards) or allowed free transfers, but as it stands it's a pretty indecent move tbh.

 

  rodingo

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OP  4/09/13 9:39:31 AM#10

Well I don't think Blue Dragon will be empty.  At least not at the begining.  There are a lot of you guys who have been beta testing and advancing your characters for several months now.  From what I understand, at least for CB2, you had to buy the Deluxe edition to lift the 1 hour daily time restriction.  That makes me think a good portion of the long term beta testers actually already gave Snail their money.  This is a fair exchange since Snail said they wouldn't wipe the server which basically made for a really long headstart program.

However, once these new servers start opening up, Blue Dragon will probably not see the same amount of influx of new players as the other servers and could possibly loose some of its player base to these new servers.  I'm sure a lot of the established players will not want to move or can't be bothered with starting fresh.  Specially when they like how their character has progressed and if they have actual money invested in said character.  For good reason too, mind you.

The bad thing is, Snail made their decision to make a third server based on the amount of character pre-creations that were made for White Tiger.  Those aren't actual characters playing in the game world since the server isn't even live.  So those are only potential players.  I'm sure that once the Blue Dragon guys learn that they can't transfer their VIP status over to the new servers they will most likely stick with their main on Blue Dragon.  Who is to blame them?  Thus making White Tiger not as full as it actually sounded like it should be "on paper".  Which is just leading to spreading out the game population to much.  Opening new servers is fine, but only if their current server(s) is full.  Starting with two servers? Ok I can see that, but a third?

F2P games aren't charaties and they need to make their money from some of the players.  At least I'm sure they are hoping that people who like their game will support them in someway financially.  But some of these decisions that Snail is making as far as making VIP server bound, no transfers, "rental" items in their cash shop, is going to bite them in the arse later down the road. 

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  alexanys1982

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4/09/13 1:11:46 PM#11
Originally posted by Biskop
Originally posted by free2play

I'm guessing they are trying to control meta gaming and one, I hope it works. Two, I hope they stick to their guns if it does. I can appreciate people coming out of Beta wanting some sort of reset but binding myself to a server means so has everyone else and you might see server stability.

 

So sorry, no noob farming for you. Stay on the veteran beta server.

This is not about wanting to farm noobs, it's about keeping the progress we've invested time and money into since December. Not everyone wants to start over from scratch (and pay extra for it, too), just because Snail decided at the last minute that three servers would be a good idea.

They can hardly fill one server as i stands, I can imagine just how empty Blue Dragon will be when everyone rolls on White Tiger or Black Tortoise just to be where the action is. Kinda sucks to have no one to play with when you've spent countless hours leveling your life skills and built up considerable in-game wealth, or if you spent real money. Especially in a player driven game like this, an empty server is a disaster.

It would have been different if they had just wiped the beta chars and compensated the beta players in some way (extended VIP or some kind of rewards) or allowed free transfers, but as it stands it's a pretty indecent move tbh.

 

Stop spreading lies. Its already been confirmed through data that BlueDragon was at capacity. They even gave us a way to see for ourselves w/o having to show us the data, scripts were running out at events in under 10min when they should be 30min events. So tired of these gankers trying to find every excuse to stay alpha. GET OVER IT no slaughter of noobs.

  Biskop

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4/09/13 2:08:09 PM#12
Originally posted by alexanys1982
Originally posted by Biskop
Originally posted by free2play

I'm guessing they are trying to control meta gaming and one, I hope it works. Two, I hope they stick to their guns if it does. I can appreciate people coming out of Beta wanting some sort of reset but binding myself to a server means so has everyone else and you might see server stability.

 

So sorry, no noob farming for you. Stay on the veteran beta server.

This is not about wanting to farm noobs, it's about keeping the progress we've invested time and money into since December. Not everyone wants to start over from scratch (and pay extra for it, too), just because Snail decided at the last minute that three servers would be a good idea.

They can hardly fill one server as i stands, I can imagine just how empty Blue Dragon will be when everyone rolls on White Tiger or Black Tortoise just to be where the action is. Kinda sucks to have no one to play with when you've spent countless hours leveling your life skills and built up considerable in-game wealth, or if you spent real money. Especially in a player driven game like this, an empty server is a disaster.

It would have been different if they had just wiped the beta chars and compensated the beta players in some way (extended VIP or some kind of rewards) or allowed free transfers, but as it stands it's a pretty indecent move tbh.

 

Stop spreading lies. Its already been confirmed through data that BlueDragon was at capacity. They even gave us a way to see for ourselves w/o having to show us the data, scripts were running out at events in under 10min when they should be 30min events. So tired of these gankers trying to find every excuse to stay alpha. GET OVER IT no slaughter of noobs.

Did you even read my post? It's not about noob slaughter at all, it's about population. Only a fool could believe BD is anywhere near full capacity - only two towns have active markets and the largest city, supposed Imperial capital Jinling, is always totally empty. The more remote zones are void of players. 

That is not a healthy pop in a player driven game, and spreading it out on two additional servers is just stupid.

  AresPL

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4/09/13 2:18:42 PM#13

they set server on MMX 166?? their population isnt even 20% of chinese one

 totally agree with Biskop

  Opapanax

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4/09/13 2:19:35 PM#14

I do have a significant amount of time invested in my character on Blue Dragon. As well as some real-money put into it, but that was more from vanity items so I guess it doesn't really matter since those expire.

If I do choose to go to a new server it will be for the reset purposes only. My first few months have been spent trying to understand the game itself so now that I've found my place I'd actually like a more even playing field to get started on.

Currently Blue Dragon is dominated by zerg factions and players from over-seas that had prior knowledge to the game and pretty much were able to leap frog over everyone with their inside information and previous experience with the game.

At this point Blue Dragon is pretty much a loss for anyone expecting to come in fresh and have a good time. The markets are completely out of whack and over-priced to hell. The goldspammers have invaded in full force and (no I'm not like that, but it has to be said) since this is actually the NA version of the game and not the CN or EU version I would like the chance to actually play with more primarily english speaking players.

I enjoy playing with people from all over the world but currently the Blue Dragon server feels less and less like an actual US based server and more so like I'm actually hoping cross seas to join in on a foriegn server.

It's definately not about having and headstart over some newbies or anything like that but like I said a better oppurtunity for a more even start for everyone who chooses to play on the new servers. Hopefully we can break up the powerblocks that try to control the markets and just the community overall a bit on the newer servers.

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  waynejr2

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4/09/13 2:31:12 PM#15
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

 was there some kind of promise or commitment that you would be able to do this? Where did you get the idea that you could do this?

  rodingo

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OP  4/09/13 3:40:17 PM#16
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

 was there some kind of promise or commitment that you would be able to do this? Where did you get the idea that you could do this?

I'm not sure what you are asking, but I'm assuming you're referencing about the part of transfering VIP from one server to the next?  There was no commitment or promise that said you could or could not do this.  I went through the steps to buy the Deluxe edition, but stopped just shy of giving them my CC info and nowhere does it say you can't transfer that service, nor does Snail warn the buyer that they can't.   Sure you can blame the player for giving Snail their money on the assumption that they could transfer their service over.  However, don't you think it's good business practice to include what the service does and does not allow before the purchase is made?  Sure, you might not get the same amount of business, but at least its honest and upfront.

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  Burntvet

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4/09/13 3:46:53 PM#17
Originally posted by Biskop
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

^ This. The real question now is cash grab or incompetence?

I'd say it's a bit of both. Snail is this game's worst enemy - I'm very disappointed both with their decision to open a new server and with these sad news. Might be I won't renew my VIP until I see how things pan out.

 

What about this game isn't a cash grab? Grind or Pay... that is the way of games like this. And as for anything like "free transfers"? Yeah, right... that would stop you from having to pay for cash shop stuff, again.
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4/09/13 3:51:43 PM#18
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

 was there some kind of promise or commitment that you would be able to do this? Where did you get the idea that you could do this?

I'm not sure what you are asking, but I'm assuming you're referencing about the part of transfering VIP from one server to the next?  There was no commitment or promise that said you could or could not do this.  I went through the steps to buy the Deluxe edition, but stopped just shy of giving them my CC info and nowhere does it say you can't transfer that service, nor does Snail warn the buyer that they can't.   Sure you can blame the player for giving Snail their money on the assumption that they could transfer their service over.  However, don't you think it's good business practice to include what the service does and does not allow before the purchase is made?  Sure, you might not get the same amount of business, but at least its honest and upfront.

 The problem is your assumption.  Now you are asking businesses to write a long list of disclaimers to cover every posilble assumption that any given player could dream up?  Seriously, that is messed up.  The onus is on you here.

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OP  4/09/13 4:23:38 PM#19
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

 was there some kind of promise or commitment that you would be able to do this? Where did you get the idea that you could do this?

I'm not sure what you are asking, but I'm assuming you're referencing about the part of transfering VIP from one server to the next?  There was no commitment or promise that said you could or could not do this.  I went through the steps to buy the Deluxe edition, but stopped just shy of giving them my CC info and nowhere does it say you can't transfer that service, nor does Snail warn the buyer that they can't.   Sure you can blame the player for giving Snail their money on the assumption that they could transfer their service over.  However, don't you think it's good business practice to include what the service does and does not allow before the purchase is made?  Sure, you might not get the same amount of business, but at least its honest and upfront.

 The problem is your assumption.  Now you are asking businesses to write a long list of disclaimers to cover every posilble assumption that any given player could dream up?  Seriously, that is messed up.  The onus is on you here.

The problem isn't my assumption becuase I didn't give Snail any money becuase of that.  The "onus" is on those that bought into the game and if you read the OP and follow the link then you will see how the players on the official forums feel. 

edit: And how does something as basic as transferring a paid service to another character on another server fit into "every possible assumption that any given player could dream up"?

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4/09/13 11:39:39 PM#20
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by rodingo
I think the main issue I'm getting from their forums is with people who already gave Snail $20 or more during their beta time on Blue Dragon.  They can't transfer their VIP time over to the new server with a new character even if they decided to delete their Blue Dragon toon since Snail will only allow one character per account.  So basically if you want to have a VIP character on both servers, you have to have two separate accounts and pay for two separate sets of VIP privileges.  So basically those who already bought the Deluxe Edition and have already applied their product key for VIP on Blue Dragon are basically stuck there until that VIP time expires.  If they were thinking they could switch over to the new server when it went live with their remaining VIP privileges, they will soon learn that they won't be able to.

 was there some kind of promise or commitment that you would be able to do this? Where did you get the idea that you could do this?

I'm not sure what you are asking, but I'm assuming you're referencing about the part of transfering VIP from one server to the next?  There was no commitment or promise that said you could or could not do this.  I went through the steps to buy the Deluxe edition, but stopped just shy of giving them my CC info and nowhere does it say you can't transfer that service, nor does Snail warn the buyer that they can't.   Sure you can blame the player for giving Snail their money on the assumption that they could transfer their service over.  However, don't you think it's good business practice to include what the service does and does not allow before the purchase is made?  Sure, you might not get the same amount of business, but at least its honest and upfront.

 The problem is your assumption.  Now you are asking businesses to write a long list of disclaimers to cover every posilble assumption that any given player could dream up?  Seriously, that is messed up.  The onus is on you here.

The problem isn't my assumption becuase I didn't give Snail any money becuase of that.  The "onus" is on those that bought into the game and if you read the OP and follow the link then you will see how the players on the official forums feel. 

edit: And how does something as basic as transferring a paid service to another character on another server fit into "every possible assumption that any given player could dream up"?

Here bud, this might help you, Q&A. You keep citing official forums, but never link anything. Didn't you say your not gonna play anyways? Regardless here is this.

http://www.ageofwushu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5604

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