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  ArcherBullseye

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Joined: 4/04/13
Posts: 77

4/05/13 2:29:35 PM#41

I think that because of people putting their own money into the project, it not only becomes more real... but it also becomes more personal. 

 

When someone comes here and says that the project is doomed to fail, or that everyone is living a pipe dream; it may feel to some of the backers that you are personally insulting their choice.  If you went out and bought a shirt, and then when you wore it out everyone made fun of you, would you get defensive?

  Sornin

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Joined: 2/28/07
Posts: 1138

Too weird to live, and too rare to die

4/05/13 2:32:38 PM#42
Originally posted by Deadlyne

I think that the people posting "negatively" in your CU forums are here because, like me, they like to go through the Current Forum Activity section on the main page.  I don't believe they are maliciously trying to troll your forums as some are trying to suggest.  I'm not cheering for any game in particular right now as none of them are really ringing my bell.  But it is starting to feel like CU overload on these forums lately.  Very similar to what the GW2 players were doing which was also over the top.  

Well, I can understand that, but that is more an issue with MMORPG.com than the posters on this forum. Like others have said, there are no official forums for us, so these have become the "official unofficial" forums for now. Activity and excitement is high, hence the large post volume.

I do not think anyone is trying to keep these posts bumped for visiblity. That would be silly - MMORPG.com visitors do not need to be told more about the game, so it is not serving any purpose to do that. I have no illusions that most people active on this site have made their decision, and keeping these threads bumped is not going to change that.

If the recent forum activity is an issue, I honestly recommend suggesting to staff that they either make that section more flexible with filters, or limit the recent activity per forum to the most recently updated thread.

  mari3k

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Joined: 2/23/13
Posts: 146

4/05/13 2:33:42 PM#43

Im the greatest doac fan of all time, but to trust this guys and pledge on this project... NO WAY !

1. They lied on us in WAR, they will lie on us here too.

2. Release will be probably 2016... till this time this game is out of date.

3. Subscription ? Really ? You kidding me. This model can only allow one game, thats WOW, but there I know what I get for my money. Its over with Subsciption in MMOs.

 

When you want Daoc, just download it and play. Its still good and no clone will beat it ever. We saw how all the WOW clones ended.

Step in the arena and break the wall down

  Maephisto

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Joined: 2/15/12
Posts: 653

4/05/13 2:34:44 PM#44
Originally posted by Deadlyne

I think that the people posting "negatively" in your CU forums are here because, like me, they like to go through the Current Forum Activity section on the main page.  I don't believe they are maliciously trying to troll your forums as some are trying to suggest.  I'm not cheering for any game in particular right now as none of them are really ringing my bell.  But it is starting to feel like CU overload on these forums lately.  Very similar to what the GW2 players were doing which was also over the top.  

Sounds pretty damn ridiculous to me.

When I see a thread about Neverwinter or Defiance (both games I have little interest in), I do not feel compelled to go and express some negative point of view.  I despise the direction NWN took, but I dont go spouting off a bunch of hate on thier sub forum.

The fact there are many threads concerning CU doesnt mean anything.  There is a saying that is on the tip of my tongue.......something about idiots and thier love of voicing opinions to everyone.

  User Deleted
4/05/13 2:34:44 PM#45
Originally posted by ArcherBullseye
Originally posted by topographic
Originally posted by ArcherBullseye

I am not trying to scare anyone away, just tired of reading the same people repeating the same negative things that get rebuffed by the same positive things..  If you guys stopped posting negative things, then all the 'gush' would start to wane out.. yes?

Hmmm...that sounds familiar.

Oh yes!  See we can agree on something, I am here to learn about the project that CSE is trying to do, but people apparently not interested in the game keep coming on and saying how much they think it is going to fail etc... so the people who want the game to succeed feel the need to try to counter that so that if someone new shows up, they do not get turned away by the mass amount of negative views on the game.  It is cause and effect…. Over and over…

 

P.S. as a still undecided possible backer.. I do not mind reading why others back the project, it helps me make up my mind on what I am going to do.

I'd love to know more about the game also, but I haven't read a single post that provides ANY value whatsoever other than

"This is the bestest game evar!"

"OMG! It's the second coming!"

"CU!!! I just soiled myself!"

even from MJ himself. All I can see are a bunch of "foundational principles" that are probably still scrawled on a napkin somewhere and provide little or no detail as to what this game will be.

I can't beleieve anyone would get excited over what has been presented so far, but to each his own. Maybe it's more of a side-effect due to the complete lack of quality MMOs these days. Promises can be a powerful thing to the desperate. It worked for Jim Jones.

Got kool-aid?

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5548

4/05/13 2:39:44 PM#46
Originally posted by Sornin
Originally posted by Deadlyne

I think that the people posting "negatively" in your CU forums are here because, like me, they like to go through the Current Forum Activity section on the main page.  I don't believe they are maliciously trying to troll your forums as some are trying to suggest.  I'm not cheering for any game in particular right now as none of them are really ringing my bell.  But it is starting to feel like CU overload on these forums lately.  Very similar to what the GW2 players were doing which was also over the top.  

Well, I can understand that, but that is more an issue with MMORPG.com than the posters on this forum. Like others have said, there are no official forums for us, so these have become the "official unofficial" forums for now. Activity and excitement is high, hence the large post volume.

I do not think anyone is trying to keep these posts bumped for visiblity. That would be silly - MMORPG.com visitors do not need to be told more about the game, so it is not serving any purpose to do that. I have no illusions that most people active on this site have made their decision, and keeping these threads bumped is not going to change that.

If the recent forum activity is an issue, I honestly recommend suggesting to staff that they either make that section more flexible with filters, or limit the recent activity per forum to the most recently updated thread.

MMORPG.com isn't known for it's positivity. If some people from some pre-game community want to call it that, they better be able to accept that things are going to get negative around here sometimes. See, everyone is allowed to voice their opinion, no matter how negative it is. The opinion does not even have to necessarily be constructive.

 

In my opinion, choosing this site as an unofficial main forum site for any game that is going into kickstarter is just asking to be hammered into the ground. Saddle up Camelot, you're in for a bumpy ride.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2111

joie de vivre

 
OP  4/05/13 2:41:38 PM#47

Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore?

As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game.

When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.

I just hope you remember something my grand daddy taught me.

Fearing CU owning your game leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to the dark side of the genre. You know what that means right? Be careful or before you know it you will end up buying Dark Fall, again!

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1089

4/05/13 2:47:20 PM#48

Negative people are everywhere, they are like that dip shit at work that always is pissed off and complaining about everything. Just got to ignore them, they really have nothing to say that is worth listening to and if you acknowledge them that only gives them another high horse to climb on too.

Construtive critisism is one thing, but just being a dick to get a rise out of people is kind of narssassitic.

  User Deleted
4/05/13 2:47:58 PM#49
Originally posted by Xobdnas

Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore?

As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game.

When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.

Thanks, but I really don't need your pity. You may want to save it for yourself, just in case.

You may need it in 26 days.

http://www.appsblogger.com/behind-kickstarter-crowdfunding-stats/

  zymurgeist

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5185

4/05/13 2:48:29 PM#50
It'll ease up after the kickstarter hits it's goal ( it will) and the long wait begins. The the real circus will start when it hits beta rising to it's crescendo at launch. Then the game will fade into relative obscurity, or not.  

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5548

4/05/13 2:48:33 PM#51
Originally posted by Xobdnas

Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore?

As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game.

When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.

It doesn't matter how many times you guys tell people that they can go somewhere else, they will keep coming. Actually, acting like they shouldn't be voicing their opinion because it's negative will likely only embolden people. Calling them miserable or whatever name calling you choose to use will be useless against it. They view you as fanatical/insane and you view them as miserable/pitiful.

 

I mean, already the negativity has spread to you. You are now actively insulting people and condescending to them because they don't share your views. Which side should feel more pity for which side?

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Tierless

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2111

joie de vivre

 
OP  4/05/13 2:54:03 PM#52


Originally posted by topographic

Originally posted by Xobdnas Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore? As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game. When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.
Thanks, but I really don't need your pity. You may want to save it for yourself, just in case.

You may need it in 26 days.

http://www.appsblogger.com/behind-kickstarter-crowdfunding-stats/


Good lord, it's like Fox News was so full of negativity it manifested itself into a forum troll. Doom, fear, hiss, end times cometh!

It could always be worse, I'd rather CU never happen, then happen and turn out a like TES.

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  Ice-Queen

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Joined: 1/02/08
Posts: 2435

"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

4/05/13 2:55:45 PM#53
Just block the negative people and move on. They love getting you riled up.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot

  Tierless

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2111

joie de vivre

 
OP  4/05/13 2:58:35 PM#54


Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Xobdnas Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore? As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game. When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.
It doesn't matter how many times you guys tell people that they can go somewhere else, they will keep coming. Actually, acting like they shouldn't be voicing their opinion because it's negative will likely only embolden people. Calling them miserable or whatever name calling you choose to use will be useless against it. They view you as fanatical/insane and you view them as miserable/pitiful.

 

I mean, already the negativity has spread to you. You are now actively insulting people and condescending to them because they don't share your views. Which side should feel more pity for which side?


Hey now, I may be fanatical, but I'm only half insane, fortunately the sane half keeps the insane half in line ;)

Frankly at this point I'm enjoying them as much as they are enjoying us (come on, admit it), it's all about entertainment and I think were all fairly entertained with one another.

I haven't had exchanges this fun since that time I accidentally put troll food in my deer feeder. I guess it's my fault, I should have known setting up my stand under a bridge was a silly idea but I figured it was so outside the box the deer would never suspect it. Oh well, live and learn.

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  theDukey

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Joined: 12/19/05
Posts: 99

4/05/13 3:04:12 PM#55

Originally posted by ArcherBullseye

I think that because of people putting their own money into the project, it not only becomes more real... but it also becomes more personal. 

 

When someone comes here and says that the project is doomed to fail, or that everyone is living a pipe dream; it may feel to some of the backers that you are personally insulting their choice.  If you went out and bought a shirt, and then when you wore it out everyone made fun of you, would you get defensive?

I can see that happening.  Thats very understandable too.  When it comes to crowdfunding, i wish that developers would use a minecraft type of system and have the game fully playable as the builds progress.  Otherwise people really will have no say on how its being developed.  There might be one or two users that make a very well thought out post once in a while that might get attention, but even those rarely get things changed in games.

 

Originally posted by topographic

Originally posted by ArcherBullseye
Originally posted by topographic
Originally posted by ArcherBullseye

I am not trying to scare anyone away, just tired of reading the same people repeating the same negative things that get rebuffed by the same positive things..  If you guys stopped posting negative things, then all the 'gush' would start to wane out.. yes?

Hmmm...that sounds familiar.

Oh yes!  See we can agree on something, I am here to learn about the project that CSE is trying to do, but people apparently not interested in the game keep coming on and saying how much they think it is going to fail etc... so the people who want the game to succeed feel the need to try to counter that so that if someone new shows up, they do not get turned away by the mass amount of negative views on the game.  It is cause and effect…. Over and over…

 

P.S. as a still undecided possible backer.. I do not mind reading why others back the project, it helps me make up my mind on what I am going to do.

I'd love to know more about the game also, but I haven't read a single post that provides ANY value whatsoever other than

"This is the bestest game evar!"

"OMG! It's the second coming!"

"CU!!! I just soiled myself!"

even from MJ himself. All I can see are a bunch of "foundational principles" that are probably still scrawled on a napkin somewhere and provide little or no detail as to what this game will be.

I can't beleieve anyone would get excited over what has been presented so far, but to each his own. Maybe it's more of a side-effect due to the complete lack of quality MMOs these days. Promises can be a powerful thing to the desperate. It worked for Jim Jones.

 Got kool-aid?

I agree.  People have too much faith in nothing these days.  Gaming needs proven concepts that are already brought to reality, not hopes and dreams.

 

Originally posted by Xobdnas

Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore?

As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game.

When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.

I just hope you remember something my grand daddy taught me.

Fearing CU owning your game leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to the dark side of the genre. You know what that means right? Be careful or before you know it you will end up buying Dark Fall, again!

I didn't make an anti-cu thread.  I hope the game does well, I really do.  Seeing how its two or more years out, this seems like the wrong way to do it to me.  First the money, then the love right?

 

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Xobdnas

Dang, so many of you are sick of these forums, I guess you could always just, oh, I dunno, go somewhere else. Maybe make an anti CU forum where you can all go to talk about how much you all look up to Eeyore?

As for dealing with feedback, I give positive and constructive feedback on CU. Flaming and complaining is not feedback, it's weaksauce that pours from the hearts of those that are either so bored or so disappointed with their own game that they feel disdain for happy people that are excited about a game.

When your so miserable that you feel disdain for people for being excited I no longer argue with you, I feel pity you.

It doesn't matter how many times you guys tell people that they can go somewhere else, they will keep coming. Actually, acting like they shouldn't be voicing their opinion because it's negative will likely only embolden people. Calling them miserable or whatever name calling you choose to use will be useless against it. They view you as fanatical/insane and you view them as miserable/pitiful.

 

I mean, already the negativity has spread to you. You are now actively insulting people and condescending to them because they don't share your views. Which side should feel more pity for which side?

Thank you.  It seems people think someone voicing themselves on forums is trolling.  While there are specific threads where thats how it is, I was asking a simple question and have voiced reasoning why.  Simply responding with because he says this or that, is not acceptable to me.  Which is why I will continue to respond to my own thread :D

oh and having "faith" in a developer who gives you no reason to is also an issue for me!  Funny thing is, I will probably donate if the kickstarter needs a few more bucks, but I will still lack faith.  I donate and back projects all the time these days, I have no problem with that, but most of these are people who havent shamed themselves before with false promises.

  theDukey

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4/05/13 3:05:42 PM#56
Originally posted by Tayah
Just block the negative people and move on. They love getting you riled up.

I really hope that comment is not towards me :(  No trolling at all here, I just want people to see the light!

  Reklaw

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The adult I am takes care of most things real life. However my inner-child is a GAMER!!

4/05/13 3:07:06 PM#57

It's great you can put that trust in them.

But to be honost I've been a gamer for the greatest part of my life and during those years I learned to trust what I actually played/tested and what really is delivered. Seen/read so many promises, sure I do believe developers have the best interest towards their audience. But in the end it all comes down to what is created and becomes playable.

I do have a certain trust in that they do "want" to deliver their promises.

Simply put it's great to see this game get pledgers, and really hope the game will become that game many seem to be waiting for.

I pledge 2 games one older and one more recent, but I did so out of hope, not out of trust.

  ArcherBullseye

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4/05/13 3:46:37 PM#58

This is what I am talking about... A new post comes out titled

"You people having a orgasm over CU when there are better games coming out."

 

How do you think people are going to react to that?  They are going to fight for the game they want to succeed and play. 

  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

4/05/13 7:41:54 PM#59
Originally posted by theDukey
Originally posted by Tayah
Just block the negative people and move on. They love getting you riled up.

I really hope that comment is not towards me :(  No trolling at all here, I just want people to see the light!

I wasn't talking about anyone specifically. Just in general, we should all stop bickering with trolls and block them, not giving them what they want.....

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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  BowbowDAoC

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4/05/13 7:56:36 PM#60

How do we block someone ? i see where we can do it, but i cant seem to do it !

Nevermind i found it :P

blocked and reported.

 

 

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