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  taus01

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OP  4/05/13 9:27:34 AM#261
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Did he unfriend you?

To be honest, i don't even know how he sent me this message as i can not recall adding him as friend or ever looking him up on Facebook. I got a friend request from one of his developers, Jim Proctor, he has been posting here too under the moniker JamesP if i am not mistaken. I am not interested however to engage in any relations with any of them so i respectfully declined.

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  Xer0id

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4/05/13 9:43:04 AM#262

Good read guys! - +25 Entertainment Sim

Iv popped 2-bags of popcorn and finally got to the end!  ;D

 

  Zekiah

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4/05/13 9:52:30 AM#263
Originally posted by Venger
Is this really what mmorpg.com has become?  At this point right and wrong doesn't matter mods and/or admins should of stepped in a long time ago and stopped this crap.

Are you also going to threaten to sue if they don't?

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  Venger

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4/05/13 10:36:00 AM#264
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Venger
Is this really what mmorpg.com has become?  At this point right and wrong doesn't matter mods and/or admins should of stepped in a long time ago and stopped this crap.

If you read my OP you will see that the only thing i did was inform people that greedmonger changed back to Unity. I also asked why they removed every trace of the game, even interviews. Is that wrong or an attack at Mr. Appleton or his game?

 

It has never been about right or wrong. It is about information and the removal of it. I am sure we all can agree that MMORPG can do whatever they please on their forums, but that does not mean we as a community have to like it. If there is a concern about this becoming a presedence (which i seriously doubt) then people should be able to voice that concern.

 

If a disgruntled developer comes here and threatens to sue MMORPG and some of it's users then it should be made public and discussed because it affects everyone to some extend.

I personal find it disgraceful that this Jerry Springer episode has been allowed to keep going.  The class of this site has definitely gone down on this site over the years.  I am all for honesty but this trash thread has stopped about being honest y a while ago.

  Stromm

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4/05/13 10:42:23 AM#265

Hehe so many bored people.

I know I am, only reason I'm reading a drama thread about a game I don't care about changing to an engine I don't care about from an engine I don't care about.

The armchair legal debate was amusing for 10 or so pages though.

The Recent Activity List has a lot to answer for. ><

  Eyrothath

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4/05/13 11:28:46 AM#266
It's nice to know that my pledge could potentially go into a lawsuit. Quit being a drama queen Jason and finish your game and give the backers what you promised!
  Razeekster

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4/05/13 11:32:40 AM#267
And this is why I have kept from backing a Kickstarter project no matter how good it looked or tempted I was to do so.

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  Whiskey_Sam

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4/05/13 11:40:04 AM#268
This thread is more entertaining than any MMO on the market.  It should also serve as a wake-up call to people to not throw money blindly at Kickstarter campaigns without first doing due diligence into who you're funding.

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  Squeak69

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4/05/13 11:45:10 AM#269
Originally posted by Razeekster
And this is why I have kept from backing a Kickstarter project no matter how good it looked or tempted I was to do so.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  jdnewell

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4/05/13 11:49:51 AM#270

I just have to ask , Is any of this even worth the effort?

Even if the guy is a scam artist ( which I dont think he is ) why put all of this time and effort into posting about it? I think its fine to have an opinion and not contribute to the KS but this almost seems like a crusade against him and the company.

I personally do not think this will ever even get off the ground. An inexperienced dev team lead by an even more inexperienced guy has pretty much zero chance of making it in this market. If they manage to pull it off then good for them I say.

I guess I just dont see why its anyones duty or business to warn people away. If people want to contribute to a KS that seems shady at best then thats no one elses business.

This just seems like alot of trouble for a game & company that you really have no personal stake in. Even if you donated to KS you should have done the research and made an informed decision.  Then have to live with it for good or ill.

  blognorg

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4/05/13 11:50:17 AM#271


Originally posted by Razeekster And this is why I have kept from backing a Kickstarter project no matter how good it looked or tempted I was to do so.
 


Wait. . . are you serious? You realize that the vast, vast majority of them actually accomplish what they say. In the case of Greed Monger, it hasn't even been proven that he won't bring the game to fruition. I've backed tons of things on Kickstarter, and all of them have paid off (except for the ones that haven't finished yet, of course). Blaming Greed Monger for your mistrust is not very well founded.

  taus01

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OP  4/05/13 12:13:48 PM#272
Originally posted by jdnewell

I just have to ask , Is any of this even worth the effort?

Even if the guy is a scam artist ( which I dont think he is ) why put all of this time and effort into posting about it? I think its fine to have an opinion and not contribute to the KS but this almost seems like a crusade against him and the company.

I personally do not think this will ever even get off the ground. An inexperienced dev team lead by an even more inexperienced guy has pretty much zero chance of making it in this market. If they manage to pull it off then good for them I say.

I guess I just dont see why its anyones duty or business to warn people away. If people want to contribute to a KS that seems shady at best then thats no one elses business.

This just seems like alot of trouble for a game & company that you really have no personal stake in. Even if you donated to KS you should have done the research and made an informed decision.  Then have to live with it for good or ill.

Yet you found it compelling enough to warrant an effort on your side to make this post. It's good to hear different opinions and that is a great thing about forums. They are full of opinions mixed in with facts. No one was warned about anything, people can make up their own mind if they want to back a project on Kickstarter or not.

I do believe that people have the right to check facts if they are used to promote a project that asks them for charity. Kickstarter is just that, it's a charity site.

Would you donate to a charity before checking the facts? Would you say everyone that warns about shady charities should mind their own business?

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  maskedweasel

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4/05/13 12:43:48 PM#273

I've got to say, I'm astounded at how far this thread has gone.

 

Some interesting points:

 

1) This is a kickstarter project, yet, Greed Monger and Jason Appleton threatens to sue MMORPG and various forum affiliates over "defamation" -- with what money?  Is he using kickstarter money for a legal battle?

 

2) Now when you search for Jason Appleton MMO or Jason Appleton Greed Monger, these MMORPG threads come up on the first page.  For someone who's threatened to keep himself out of the limelight, by fueling this fire, he's brought it closer to the forefront. 

 

3) This is a site dedicated to MMORPG players, which is Greed Mongers prime objective, and many of us have accounts on other similar sites... overall this is a bad play for them.  Whereas this "defamation" could have previously been set as conjecture had there been no response, it is now a very big reality that they are ostracizing their playerbase.

 

4) Many of us on this site are either in the process of creating games, have worked on games in the past, or plan to create games in the future. Some of us have funding from private companies, others are self funding and others may be part of a Kickstarter campaign.  Look at  Mark Jacobs and the Camelot Unchained kickstarter, or Pathfinder Online, you don't see them here attacking and threatening to sue, even after all of controversy over WAR.

 

5) PR starts when the game is in a workable state, not when its bouncing back and forth between engines.  Its almost as if the game is back down to square one.  Even non-designers can see the gross mismanagement at this stage, and its not the fault of the "game" its the fault of the lead developers.  If people are blaming Jason Appleton for this, and he's making the design decisions, then - sorry - but this is to be expected.  If this was an investment deal, investors would have pulled out for less, luckily this was a kickstarter campaign and as far as I'm aware, the money is gone to the "investors".  All that is left until there is something concrete is animosity.  This comes with the territory.

 

Lastly, I am quite fond of this site, and Bill, and have absolutely no respect for someone who would threaten them in any capacity, and then turn around and repost their "disappointment" of Bills decision to address the public with the issue.  This is childish and a massive fault on the part of Greed Monger and all involved.

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  jdnewell

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4/05/13 12:50:33 PM#274
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by jdnewell

I just have to ask , Is any of this even worth the effort?

Even if the guy is a scam artist ( which I dont think he is ) why put all of this time and effort into posting about it? I think its fine to have an opinion and not contribute to the KS but this almost seems like a crusade against him and the company.

I personally do not think this will ever even get off the ground. An inexperienced dev team lead by an even more inexperienced guy has pretty much zero chance of making it in this market. If they manage to pull it off then good for them I say.

I guess I just dont see why its anyones duty or business to warn people away. If people want to contribute to a KS that seems shady at best then thats no one elses business.

This just seems like alot of trouble for a game & company that you really have no personal stake in. Even if you donated to KS you should have done the research and made an informed decision.  Then have to live with it for good or ill.

Yet you found it compelling enough to warrant an effort on your side to make this post. It's good to hear different opinions and that is a great thing about forums. They are full of opinions mixed in with facts. No one was warned about anything, people can make up their own mind if they want to back a project on Kickstarter or not.

I do believe that people have the right to check facts if they are used to promote a project that asks them for charity. Kickstarter is just that, it's a charity site.

Would you donate to a charity before checking the facts? Would you say everyone that warns about shady charities should mind their own business?

I agree with what your saying for the most part. And as for the effort of me posting thats just me killing time on a day off work.

And for the most part I would say people should mind their own business. I guess if I donated to a shady charity without doing due diligence and fact checking then thats on me.

But my main point was more along the lines of - is this worth your time personally? if it is then all good, its your time after all. Just seems like alot of effort and trouble for no return. I am not above proving a point just to prove a point, but usually there is more of a reason than what I have seen here.

Appleton has totally flubbed this up from a PR perspective and should have handled things differently to say the least. Threatening lawsuits was just a bad idea from the word go. He would have been better off just ignoring it or asking nicely for the game forums to be removed.

Either way I hope it all works out for the best for everyone involved. =)

  VengeSunsoar

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4/05/13 12:55:57 PM#275
Originally posted by blognorg

 


Originally posted by Razeekster And this is why I have kept from backing a Kickstarter project no matter how good it looked or tempted I was to do so.
 

 


Wait. . . are you serious? You realize that the vast, vast majority of them actually accomplish what they say. In the case of Greed Monger, it hasn't even been proven that he won't bring the game to fruition. I've backed tons of things on Kickstarter, and all of them have paid off (except for the ones that haven't finished yet, of course). Blaming Greed Monger for your mistrust is not very well founded.

 Well according to this stat, more than half of all kickstarter projects are not even successfully funded.

We don't know what percentage of those that are successfully funded go on to complete their project, so you can't really say the fast majority accomplish what they say now can you?

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats

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  User Deleted
4/05/13 1:01:46 PM#276
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 

 Well according to this state, more than half of all kickstarter projects are not even successfully funded.

We don't know what percentage of those that are successfully funded go on to complete their project, so you can't really say the fast majority accomplish what they say now can you?

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats

I think that might be a bit much.  I'm sure he was talking about funded kickstarter projects, not that everyone who's had an idea has been successful.  That said, I don't know of a single game that has come out from being funded by kickstarter.  It's been my impression that they are all still in development.

  taus01

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OP  4/05/13 1:14:05 PM#277

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 

 Well according to this state, more than half of all kickstarter projects are not even successfully funded.

We don't know what percentage of those that are successfully funded go on to complete their project, so you can't really say the fast majority accomplish what they say now can you?

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats

I think that might be a bit much.  I'm sure he was talking about funded kickstarter projects, not that everyone who's had an idea has been successful.  That said, I don't know of a single game that has come out from being funded by kickstarter.  It's been my impression that they are all still in development.

I got a few games already. I backed Giana Sisters for example.

However, i have to say that i fear we have not yet reached the point where things will get ugly. Think about it, all these Projects that got backed years ago will have to deliver soon, The most famous one: Double Fine Adventure now named BrokenAge.

The fallout could be huge if most of these do not deliver. As i said, we don't know yet but shit could be piling up as we speak to increadible heights.

Originally posted by jdnewell

Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by jdnewell

I just have to ask , Is any of this even worth the effort?

Even if the guy is a scam artist ( which I dont think he is ) why put all of this time and effort into posting about it? I think its fine to have an opinion and not contribute to the KS but this almost seems like a crusade against him and the company.

I personally do not think this will ever even get off the ground. An inexperienced dev team lead by an even more inexperienced guy has pretty much zero chance of making it in this market. If they manage to pull it off then good for them I say.

I guess I just dont see why its anyones duty or business to warn people away. If people want to contribute to a KS that seems shady at best then thats no one elses business.

This just seems like alot of trouble for a game & company that you really have no personal stake in. Even if you donated to KS you should have done the research and made an informed decision.  Then have to live with it for good or ill.

Yet you found it compelling enough to warrant an effort on your side to make this post. It's good to hear different opinions and that is a great thing about forums. They are full of opinions mixed in with facts. No one was warned about anything, people can make up their own mind if they want to back a project on Kickstarter or not.

I do believe that people have the right to check facts if they are used to promote a project that asks them for charity. Kickstarter is just that, it's a charity site.

Would you donate to a charity before checking the facts? Would you say everyone that warns about shady charities should mind their own business?

I agree with what your saying for the most part. And as for the effort of me posting thats just me killing time on a day off work.

And for the most part I would say people should mind their own business. I guess if I donated to a shady charity without doing due diligence and fact checking then thats on me.

But my main point was more along the lines of - is this worth your time personally? if it is then all good, its your time after all. Just seems like alot of effort and trouble for no return. I am not above proving a point just to prove a point, but usually there is more of a reason than what I have seen here.

Appleton has totally flubbed this up from a PR perspective and should have handled things differently to say the least. Threatening lawsuits was just a bad idea from the word go. He would have been better off just ignoring it or asking nicely for the game forums to be removed.

Either way I hope it all works out for the best for everyone involved. =)

I think you overestimating the effort, i am one lazy sob. It took me about 10 minutes to gather all the info and make the post. It takes me about 2 minutes to reply or send a screenshot. It's hardly an effort and as you can see, i did not post in this thread until the end. I am here anyways during the day while working.

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  jdnewell

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4/05/13 1:28:14 PM#278
Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 
~snip~

I think you overestimating the effort, i am one lazy sob. It took me about 10 minutes to gather all the info and make the post. It takes me about 2 minutes to reply or send a screenshot. It's hardly an effort and as you can see, i did not post in this thread until the end. I am here anyways during the day while working.

Right on =)

While I dont  for a minute think he could win a lawsuite against you, or the website. I get the impression he may be the type of person to actually try.

At that point I would personally be like, " F**k it Dude, lets go bowling". No worth the drama either way. I think he actually likes the drama and trying to prove he is a tuff guy. Inviting people like that into your life is rarely worth any time and even less effort. I get calling him out on threats, but at a certain point it would be time to meet Donny at the bowling alley and forget this.

its not so much the time & effort now as it is the time and effort this may turn into.

  taus01

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OP  4/05/13 3:33:39 PM#279
Originally posted by jdnewell
Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 
~snip~

I think you overestimating the effort, i am one lazy sob. It took me about 10 minutes to gather all the info and make the post. It takes me about 2 minutes to reply or send a screenshot. It's hardly an effort and as you can see, i did not post in this thread until the end. I am here anyways during the day while working.

Right on =)

While I dont  for a minute think he could win a lawsuite against you, or the website. I get the impression he may be the type of person to actually try.

At that point I would personally be like, " F**k it Dude, lets go bowling". No worth the drama either way. I think he actually likes the drama and trying to prove he is a tuff guy. Inviting people like that into your life is rarely worth any time and even less effort. I get calling him out on threats, but at a certain point it would be time to meet Donny at the bowling alley and forget this.

its not so much the time & effort now as it is the time and effort this may turn into.

+1 I love the Dude ;)

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  Harper420

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7/04/13 10:55:00 PM#280
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by jdnewell
Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 
~snip~

I think you overestimating the effort, i am one lazy sob. It took me about 10 minutes to gather all the info and make the post. It takes me about 2 minutes to reply or send a screenshot. It's hardly an effort and as you can see, i did not post in this thread until the end. I am here anyways during the day while working.

Right on =)

While I dont  for a minute think he could win a lawsuite against you, or the website. I get the impression he may be the type of person to actually try.

At that point I would personally be like, " F**k it Dude, lets go bowling". No worth the drama either way. I think he actually likes the drama and trying to prove he is a tuff guy. Inviting people like that into your life is rarely worth any time and even less effort. I get calling him out on threats, but at a certain point it would be time to meet Donny at the bowling alley and forget this.

its not so much the time & effort now as it is the time and effort this may turn into.

+1 I love the Dude ;)

 

This man is an absolute joke. I pointed out legitimate facts on his website and he got so worked up over it he found a third party to help threaten me with a lawsuit so I would say sorry on his billy and bolts kickstarter. Go look at it, I had to say sorry because I didnt want to deal with the bullshit lawsuit.

 

This man is an absolute joke of a person and I feel really sorry for all the idiots caught up in his bullshit.

 

I wouldnt be scared of any of his bullshit hollow threats. He realizes he cant sue people or forums or games for posts with legitimate concerns. Not only that but on the greed monger post in worms online he actually pretended to be his lawyer with the same IP and browser. Saying something along the lines of "I am a lawyer and if you disrespect jason anymore he has legal rights to sue" or somemore bullshit like this.

 

I really wish bad apples like this wouldnt hurt kickstarter but I guess there will always be bad apples.

 

Now he stays in his forum where the only people that post are people that kiss his ass entirely, If you do anything else you will get banned. Ive had multiple friends that are kickstarters get banned for putting up legitimate concerns of the game.

 

It was funny I had a conversation with him over skype explaining what a cloud server was (Because I was rejected as a developer for trying to actually help and educate there developers on cloud servers. I was instantly shut down) A week later there was talks in his forum about how he needs more money for cloud servers.

 

Absolute loose cannon, Hes uneducated, indecisive and hes a massive stoner. If you know of anyone that knows about him please show this thread to them and the wurm online thread. This man needs to be stopped, we dont want idiots to never pledge on a kickstarter again which will happen if more and more people lose money to this loose cannon.

 

Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Mogus

Look, it's really simple.

There are some specific members of this site whom I have a very open and close case against if I were to pursue it. It's not rocket science to summize the length at which some have gone to spread false accusations and rumors about me publicly.

I could simply file suit and let it sort itself out.

I have been attempting to spare myself and those in ffocus of further turmoil that is compleley unecessary and protect mmorpg from any future liability as well.

Anyone else would just be trying to cash on on the oppottunity. I simply want it to end.

 

 

Dear Mr. Appleton,

As you already know my real name and you wrote me that nice personal message threatening me and threatening to go to my employer. I will be thrilled to hear from your lawyers and the suit you file. I am looking forward to it. I really do, honestly. I personally think these are empty threats of an individual that is out of touch with reality as many of your posts have shown. I do admire your ambition to be a viagra salesman, a loan officer, a record company CEO, a wrestling promoter, a magazine publisher, a politician and now a game developer but i doubt that anything will come out of this threat to sue.

Looking forward to hear from your lawyers,

Cheers | taus01

 

That's some interesting stuff there... and if anything, it just keeps getting worse.

It gets better. I just discovered Mr. Appleton has sent me a message on Facebook with similar content to what he sent to MMORPG.com.

He warns me not to share this information which of cause is ridiculous. What this joker does not know is that his little disclaimer is complete rubbish.

An email disclaimer does not create a contract with an unintended recipient. Contracts require a “meeting of the minds” – they cannot be dictated unilaterally.

 

 

Gotta love the internet, its full of fun and excitement.

Cheers | taus01

This is the same links he sent to me while threatening me with billy bolts. Okay, so how do we tell people on his forum? This seriously has to stop. You cant have this delusional person that is WAY out of reality do this to people and get away with it. I can easily get the skype messages if you guys would like to see his threats.

 

When he talks about damaging business efforts. When you say the truth it is not slander or  libel. I asked the worms online forum to be deleted (Since I just wanted this to end, since he promised me he would not be taking anyone elses money but he went back on that promise aswell. I have skype chat to prove it) The worms online forum refused to do it. I understand them and respect them for that. It is still up there, with him pretending to be his own lawyer while spitting out lawsuit threats.

I just cant understand how he can get away with this. There are quite alot of kickstarters that are oblivious idiots and if they knew what he has done I bet they would have instantly regretted it.

Anyone that figures it out individually and posts on his forum gets edited/banned instantly. Jason appleton actually learned something for once, that you can only lie in forums you can sensor.

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