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News & Features Discussion  » [General Article] Defiance: Review In Progress #1

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4/04/13 11:35:57 AM#21
Thoroughly enjoying the game, but it does need some tweaking.  Should be interesting to see how the show content alters/supplements the in-game experience.  Trion updates and moves content VERY fast so I'm expecting updates and fixes to come out fairly quickly.  Considering there is no sub, I'm more than willing to wait for a couple months to see how it all works out.  Definitely fun right out of the box though.

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4/04/13 11:38:00 AM#22

 "Editor's note: As if reading my mind, the first state of the game addresses much of this."   

And this is exactly why game review sites shouldn't be in a hurry to review a game until at least a week after launch. Every single MMO that launches has some bugs and it wrongly damages the game's reputation to be so eager to put out a early review.

As a result, I tend to ignore any review posted less than a week after a game launches due to the site's obviously short-sighted view of a game. 


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4/04/13 11:55:21 AM#23

Totally not worth the box money.



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4/04/13 12:04:21 PM#24

I am a fantasy MMO gamer and I have been watching this game closely, mostly because it is Trion.  If they follow the pattern they have set with Rift, I imagine that most of the bugs and things people are asking for will be added rather quickly.  They have one of the fastest development cycles that I have seen in the MMO space.

As for Defiance, I will continue to watch it closely, since I have been playing Rift to death for quite a while and I wouldn't mind a little variety.

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SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
World of Warcraft, AoC


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4/04/13 12:07:32 PM#25
Going to wait for a sale or a trial before I give this one a go. If people are still having fun after 2 months I'll definitely check it out

Played: AA, AC1, AC2, Aion, AO, AoC, CO, CoX, DAoC, DCUO, DN, EVE, EQ1, EQ2,
ESO, FE, FFXI, FFXIV, FF, GW1, GW2, Istaria, L2, LoTRO, MO, MxO, NW, Rift, RoE,


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4/04/13 12:13:40 PM#26
Im enjoying the game i totally suck in the pvp part which gives me allways the toughts if there are aky hqck users there but couldnt tell . In planetside2 there are so many aimbotters hqckers and u can see them right away . In Defiance i didnt saw any obvoius cheaters which is for me 50 % what makes a game good.
Currently im ego 250 and i start to see that what i did at the beginning of the game im still doingit now nothing have change i hope tthey qdd more pve contentand open world pvp this would rock .All the vehicles from item shop can be bought in game for the sc game vurrency which is awsome only the boost and inventory slots, some outfits are for real money .
Overall im very happy wihlth this game, but it depends on trion and the content update to see how long i stay.

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4/04/13 12:34:55 PM#27
I have to say the review is spot on. I'm having a great time and experiencing something I haven't experienced in years in an mmo, which is death. For me, at least, there is actual difficulty until you figure out the proper loadout, I'm at ego 260 and starting to fool with the miner99 quests and they have not been a walk in the park solo. I think this is definitely worth the $60 I spent

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4/04/13 12:41:21 PM#28

The game is very fun for someone who enjoys online shooters. It is like playing an online Borderlands type of game more than anything else. This isn't a "bad" thing, as there are many of us out there that enjoy this kind of gameplay.

However, it does need to strengthen its multiplayer aspects to sustain a playerbase. For example, an auction house or trade system would help player interactivity. Chat is a major issue right now, especially on consoles (more in a second), whether its textual or voice it needs some major help.

There should be a large warning sign with this: Your mileage will vary and vary greatly based upon your selected gaming medium! Your experience on PC will greatly differ from that on a console and even that between the two console versions. This is very important to note because, in all honesty, right now console players just want to be able to play a stable game; especially on Xbox where the servers are experiencing loads that were not anticipated.

All-in-all, its a fun third-person shooter that plays in a large online world, with a good variety of weapons and quests to handle many different styles and tastes. Longevity will depend solely upon Trion's ability to fix the most pressing bugs and issues as quick as possible, push out content on a regular basis (possibly matching that of the TV show), and refining the game's more multiplayer aspects to intice players to interact and communicate with one another more.


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4/04/13 1:04:03 PM#29

I've not written the game off, but as an MMO player....I'll wait to see what they add to the game (or as one said..wait for a trial acct) in the near future and what they fix (UI, event balance, etc...).

I wonder how many of the Happy Players above normally play FS instead of MMO.  It feels like it met expectations on the FS side vs. not so well on the MMO.  Just my impression from what comments I've read.

I thought your review was quite good Bill.  Thx for your time.  It covered both positive and negatives in a fair light. 


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4/04/13 2:15:08 PM#30

"As the new kid on the block, Trion's Defiance brings a lot of promise to the table for the MMOFPS genre."

Too bad its absolutely not an mmofps, it is an mmoTPS.   THIRD PERSON ONLY!  There is no first person perspective in game so how could it possibly be considered an fps?




P.S.  Yes I am upset that there is no fps view, and will not play or purchase because of this.  The third person viewpoint is ridiculously skewed to the right of your character and looks terrible.


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4/04/13 2:39:57 PM#31

I'm enjoying the game, I agree that there needs to be more things to do other than just shooting things or the game will become dull in time but at the minute I'm having a blast. 

My one big big big complaint is the chat system,that needs sorting ASAP or I feel it could seriously damage the game.


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4/04/13 2:48:45 PM#32
Originally posted by KingofHartz
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by KingofHartz
Its fun but on a ps3 48 vs 48 pvp and 300 people pve fighting an arkfall is an absolute mess. Its very chaotic which I do enjoy but performance wise its a mess. Day 2 seemed to bring on many many new players and the ps3 servers are overloaded.
Its still fun and very chaotic. The performance issue in pvp is unacceptable pve gets away with a bit more so long as you dont die but bith can be fixed and hopefully soon they will be.

Gee what a shame, I had roughly, 80 people on screen last night in the middle of a super chaotic event, cars, people monsters zerging everwhere and I was still pulling a solid 60 plus FPS on my, I admit rather beefy PC.  But my point is dont expect to play a game like this on your toy console and get the console single player button mashing performance your used to from the comfort of your sofa.   Suck it up and buy a PC or pop in the lastest console shooter disc and stop complaining.


***warning fat agression overload*** Chill dude I wasnt complaining just stating what is. Im not saying change the game for pc I would expect pc to be able to handle 10 times what consoles can. There are no games out worth buying a pc for right now. Buying a pc is a bad investment considdring the poor quality of games and the fast changing pace of technology. For ps3 defiance just needs to scale it back a bit.


There is simply no way consoles are going to pull these zergs off with anything even close to playable framerates, I think Trion is nuts for even trying.   But somewhere down the line the PC platform is going to get nerfed graphically or some concession will be made for consoles that will degrade my PC experience, I can almost gaurentee it.

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4/04/13 2:59:57 PM#33
Combat is a blast, and I love how you have to pay attention to most enemies to bring them down.  Many, if not most, have very high defensives which take forever to kill if you just try and pump them full of bullets randomly.  They go down pretty fast if you pace yourself, and conserv amo for accurate shots at weak points that get exposed, such as when the big mutant guy drops to his knees for a few seconds and removes his welding mask, or the matriarch bugs that expose bits of soft tissue during and after certain attacks.

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4/04/13 3:07:38 PM#34

- Chat system not working (in an MMO where people are suppose to communicate with eachother and work together!)

- Loot not working on Arkfalls. Half the time Arkfalls don't complete after destroying crystals and so not even giving XP and crip rewards!!

- Hours of progression loss due to rollback on server crash. TRION waiting for hours to bring servers back online, saying it was an emergency maintenance, keeping silent and pretend nothing happened! While lots of people even lost Bits bought with hard cash due to the rollback!

- Co-op instances bugged out.... everyone stuck and unable to reset the instance all day!

- Main Story missions hanging on completion and suddenly resetting, forcing you to do it all over again!

- No trade / auction system.

And I can go on really.....

I am seriously dissapointed and just cannot believe how TRION has fallen this far and screwed up so badly!

All to make the stupid deadline for the TV Show launch, which over half the playerbase cannot even see due to region restrictions!! /facepalm


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4/04/13 3:25:59 PM#35

I'm awful at shooters.  I would last about 10 seconds and be dead, rightfully so.  A great MMO is another thing, but they say this is not a great MMO so I stay away.


It's kind of like Mass Effect.  The actual gameplay in those games were pretty bad, the best part was the cinematic cut scenes which is why it was so great.


Is this a TV show>?  Does anyone even watch it?  I do not really watch a whole lot of TV, so maybe it is a huge hit.  Maybe they should have made a Walking Dead MMO and tie in the show with that. Yeah!  Kickin ass with Merle as your companion....heck even Zombie Merle would be good.


I just really wanted to talk about Merle...


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4/04/13 3:43:55 PM#36
Having a lot of fun with this game on my Xbox 360. Trion is doing a great job at addressing all the launch problems as they did with Rift.

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4/04/13 4:18:24 PM#37
Defiance on the pc. Lots of lag and alot of bugs... But ill wait and see. and driving is terible

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4/04/13 4:34:03 PM#38
Originally posted by JeroKane

- Chat system not working (in an MMO where people are suppose to communicate with eachother and work together!)

What do you mean not working? Given, I haven't tried to chat much as I'm playing with friends via Vent, but I can open up the chat menu via ctrl menu and type and stuff.

- Loot not working on Arkfalls. Half the time Arkfalls don't complete after destroying crystals and so not even giving XP and crip rewards!!

Never had an arkfall not complete, but yes, the lack of loot is an issue.

- Hours of progression loss due to rollback on server crash. TRION waiting for hours to bring servers back online, saying it was an emergency maintenance, keeping silent and pretend nothing happened! While lots of people even lost Bits bought with hard cash due to the rollback!

Didn't experience this myself, as I was logged out a good while before it happened. It is a problem, but I find it very likely that Trion will get it all sorted out. The game may have some issues, but Trion is generally VERY good when it comes to support.

- Co-op instances bugged out.... everyone stuck and unable to reset the instance all day!

Haven't had this happen to me either. I've done Liberate the Lost a few times and every time it worked flawlessly.

- Main Story missions hanging on completion and suddenly resetting, forcing you to do it all over again!

Again, never had this happen either. On Episode missions, main missions, or side missions. Not saying it DOESN'T happen, but in my 10 hours of play time, I, nor any of my friends, experienced it.

- No trade / auction system.

You CAN trade. Not sure if you have to be in a group or not, but my group has been trading weapons and mods back and forth all day. As for an AH, I personally don't miss it, but if enough people want it, and Trion feels like adding one, then so be it. 

And I can go on really.....

I am seriously dissapointed and just cannot believe how TRION has fallen this far and screwed up so badly!

All to make the stupid deadline for the TV Show launch, which over half the playerbase cannot even see due to region restrictions!! /facepalm

Here's my post from another topic:


Picked up two copies and played about four hours [~10 hours as of today] with my brother. We did quite a few side missions, a few main missions, a few episode missions, as well as participated in a few random events (resucing techs/hostages, defending from mutant attacks, destroying hellbug nests, etc.), and did a major Arkfall. It's not the second coming by any means, nor did I expect it to be, but it's FUN, and that's what counts. Well worth the $48 I spent on it. 

Does it have problems? Absolutely. There's the fairly poor UI, a lack of graphic options (Low, Med, High, and a custom option that reveals nothing). Sometimes you'll see people using vehicles float, or disappear, or some such case, mostly when they ramp and go airborn (or so has been my experience). But I've not encountered anything gamebreaking. [Again, that's not to say there aren't any issues that are gamebreaking, just that me nor several other people I've been playing with have had any issues]

I haven't tried the PvP out, so I can't comment on that as of yet.

Again, it's not the second coming of christ in an MMOTPS form. It does have some issues. But I had TONS of fun in my four hours played, and I can't wait to log in again. How long the fun will last? Who knows. I imagine it will last quite a while, for me anyways. If you're unsure, there's nothing wrong with waiting for reviews, or a trial to appear, or a sale. I would encourage all people that value their money to do such things before dropping it on something they're unsure of (unless you're just so loaded that it's basically pocket change to you, in that case go nuts I suppose).

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4/04/13 4:44:05 PM#39

My quick thought’s about Defiance ! Don’t call it a MMO ,save your money ! If you called it a 3rd person multiplayer online shooter, I would have been ok with it.

The show is going to be better than the

*UI is made for consoles
*Chat system is lacking
*Can’t change the UI
*No Crafting
*No real guild system
*Mutants are dumber than a box of rocks.
*The Mutants remind me of  sloth from the Goonies ! Baby Ruth,Baby Ruth !
*Skill tree’s are so weak
*Arkfalls are a carbon copy of Rifts
*No auction house too !


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4/04/13 5:49:37 PM#40
Originally posted by KingofHartz
Its fun but on a ps3 48 vs 48 pvp and 300 people pve fighting an arkfall is an absolute mess. Its very chaotic which I do enjoy but performance wise its a mess. Day 2 seemed to bring on many many new players and the ps3 servers are overloaded.
Its still fun and very chaotic. The performance issue in pvp is unacceptable pve gets away with a bit more so long as you dont die but bith can be fixed and hopefully soon they will be.

Who cares about consoles ;P

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