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  nariusseldon

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OP  4/02/13 11:59:33 AM#201
Originally posted by osiriszoran
The content doesnt change whether you beat it on normal or on hard. In Wow especially, the difference between normal gear and heroic gear is inconsequential and is more about E-peen bragging rights. The problem with the genre is its moving away from immersion and more towards instant accomplishments.

Why is this a problem when people like it? Immersion is not everything. It should not be in the way of fun. And if people find epleen, gearscore, wow-progress fun .. more power to these tools.

  doodphace

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4/02/13 12:04:31 PM#202
Originally posted by Phelcher
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Phelcher
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Magnum2103
  If everyone in the world invested as much time into raiding progression as guilds like Paragon did, then nearly everyone would be on the level of guilds like Paragon as it doesn't require much intelligence or muscle memory to perform at the level Paragon does, it just boils down to time investment and efficiency/focus.

I doubt that. Some of the scripted mechanics in WOW boss fights need a lot of coordination and memory to pull off. I remember practicing boss fights wipe after wipe when i was in a progression guild some years ago.

I doubt everyone with time can pull it off. A small mistake and it is a wipe. You timing is off and it is a wipe. You forget to do something and it is a wipe. You fail to notice somethign on the ground and it is a wipe.

Are you talking about EQ^ ..?

 

Wizard cast a spell too early, or wrong one, or have a fizzle...   a damn fizzle..   and 4 hours (x 43 people) of thrilling anticipation gone! With only perseverrance to hold your head high and learn from your mistakes & mishaps.

 

Very few boss mobs in WoW required nothing other than zerg tactics...  until that was so easy they left creativity behind and decided on an easier rout themselves and created "hard mode" instances. Very few raid mobs required EQ'esque timing of spells & agression control. Crafting or finding a Lure spell wasn't enough, your spell wasn't garaunteed to land ..& THAT ..is what made EQ's combat exciting and dynamic. U never knew..

 

 

Compairing anything to WoW, is eactly like compairing it to McDonalds.

 

show me your wowarmory of your character with on-level raid progression boss kills. LFR is not real raids. stop posting if all you're gonna type is shit that comes out of a bull's ass.

 

WoW on a whole makes shit easy and just hands things to its players. WoW raids are not easy. LFR is easy. The actual normal raids are much harder though still somewhat easy and not especially difficult. The heroic modes are by far not easy. Not to the point that you can call it blankly 'easy'.

 

Dude..  you are talking about (after 7 + years) WoW's raids eventually got uber...

 

I am pretty sure Sunwell was one of the lowest cleared raid instances in WoW's history due to how hard it was when it was current, and that sure as hell wasn't 7+ years in lol

  mmoguy43

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4/02/13 12:04:45 PM#203
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by osiriszoran
The content doesnt change whether you beat it on normal or on hard. In Wow especially, the difference between normal gear and heroic gear is inconsequential and is more about E-peen bragging rights. The problem with the genre is its moving away from immersion and more towards instant accomplishments.

Why is this a problem when people like it? Immersion is not everything. It should not be in the way of fun. And if people find epleen, gearscore, wow-progress fun .. more power to these tools.

you said it

  JimmyYO

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4/02/13 12:14:35 PM#204

People who love to play Insanity modes are few and far between. We just don't want to drool on our keyboard as we watch Game of Thrones on a 2nd monitor because of how easy the MMO we're playing is.

Not playing insane mode proves nothing with regard to wanting challenge out of a game. Most games with an Insanity mode went completely untested and uninspired making it more of an experience in masochism then anything else. "Here's some last minute dungeons where everything is exactly the same except monsters have 10x health and damage." That's pretty much how every EQ expansion in the past 10 years was made as well.....

  doodphace

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4/02/13 12:19:41 PM#205
Originally posted by JimmyYO

People who love to play Insanity modes are few and far between. We just don't want to drool on our keyboard as we watch Game of Thrones on a 2nd monitor because of how easy the MMO we're playing is.

Not playing insane mode proves nothing with regard to wanting challenge out of a game. Most games with an Insanity mode went completely untested and uninspired making it more of an experience in masochism then anything else. "Here's some last minute dungeons where everything is exactly the same except monsters have 10x health and damage." That's pretty much how every EQ expansion in the past 10 years was made as well.....

I dont know about EQ, but In the last WoW tier (tier 14), some bosses actually had less health on heroic mode.

  User Deleted
4/02/13 12:20:07 PM#206

Ok guys, lets all agree that MMOs are easy and that some MMOs at least offer difficult challenges for those who seek them.

 

Now lets move on and create another random silly topic to bitch and cry our little eyes out that doesn't really matter to anyone...

  deniter

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4/02/13 12:20:34 PM#207

I don't really care how hard or difficult the hard modes are in WoW. I played WoW for 5 years with passion and never cared much of raiding. There was always lots of (challenging) stuff to do. You really can't say the same now.

And then, as always, the immersion. There's none left in WoW, nada. Dungeons are disconnected from Azeroth, quests are many, they are easy and grindy (on trial i hit 100 quest complited on level 19), professions are pointless and PvP is for the owners of hairlooms.

So, if some raids are hard as hell that doesn't mean World (why is this word in this game's name anyway) of Warcraft is not easy.

  doodphace

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4/02/13 12:28:48 PM#208
Originally posted by Psychow

Ok guys, lets all agree that MMOs are easy and that some MMOs at least offer difficult challenges for those who seek them.

 

Now lets move on and create another random silly topic to bitch and cry our little eyes out that doesn't really matter to anyone...

lol

  nariusseldon

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OP  4/02/13 12:55:55 PM#209
Originally posted by JimmyYO

People who love to play Insanity modes are few and far between. We just don't want to drool on our keyboard as we watch Game of Thrones on a 2nd monitor because of how easy the MMO we're playing is.

 

If you "watch Game of Thrones on a 2nd monitor", that is totally your choosing since you can choose the hard content.

And if you don't choose the hard content, don't complain that there is nothing challenging.

And how would other people choose to play easy mode affect you? You don't even need to play with them. The point of an option is to let people choose.

  dave6660

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4/02/13 1:02:24 PM#210
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Ebonyfly

Is it fairer to judge the difficulty of a game by a handful of difficult encounters or by some overall assessment of the content? I tend towards the latter because it is so easy for developers to tack some impossible content on to a game which is basically very easy.


 

Yes, if the statement is "challenging content is AVAILABLE" in the game. Is it fair to say it is an easy game when there *is* difficulty content and people avoid it?

 

In most mmorpg's the "difficult" content is at the end.  That means I have to spend 50 hours leveling to ever see it.  That's where I have a problem.  If I'm still steamrolling the game after 6+ hours of play then I'm bored and quitting.

The leveling up process is where the difficulty needs to be added.  I'd much prefer an mmropg where hitting max level is an accomplishment in itself rather then a given if I just put in enough time.

 

"Why so serious?"
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  nariusseldon

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OP  4/02/13 1:20:01 PM#211
Originally posted by dave6660

 

In most mmorpg's the "difficult" content is at the end.  That means I have to spend 50 hours leveling to ever see it.  That's where I have a problem.  If I'm still steamrolling the game after 6+ hours of play then I'm bored and quitting.

The leveling up process is where the difficulty needs to be added.  I'd much prefer an mmropg where hitting max level is an accomplishment in itself rather then a given if I just put in enough time.

 

The first is a legimate complain although i thought people are complaining leveling is too fast. MMO should add a difficulty setting in leveling like in D3. You can make D3 leveling (not paragon leveling, the original levels) challenging now.

The second point about "hitting max" is an accomplishment ... well .. that is just a matter of personal preference. Some may think that the accomplishment should be downing a difficult raid boss. Accomplishment is an illusion anyway. We are talking abotu games, not real-life.

  tupodawg999

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4/03/13 11:07:16 PM#212

Solo questing MMOs where every player goes through the same quest-chains are easy because they *have* to be easy.

 

1) The least solo-able class has to be able to beat the mobs so they'll be easy for most of the other classes - especially the most solo-able classes.

2) The newest, least experienced players have to be able to beat the mobs so players who've played these kind of games for a while will find it easy.

These things are obviously and necessarily true.

Games can get round the first by making all the classes the same but the second will always be true. If all the players *have* to go through the same content then it must be balanced for the least capable players - obviously.

 

If you got most of your exp from fighting mobs with optional, often class-specific, quests for gear/money/faction then players could pick their own difficulty.

 

EQ had the right design ideas imo. The problem was the implementation e.g. EQ had thousands of optional quests but for 95% of them the cost/benefit really sucked.

  Magiknight

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4/03/13 11:09:09 PM#213
Modern MMOs are EASY! Single player games might have difficulty settings, that's a different story. MMOs do not have difficulty settings.
  easy-r

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4/03/13 11:13:05 PM#214

in (good) mmos, the difficulty comes from dealing with enemy players in open world pvp

 

mmos that try make pve challenging are usually frustrating, boring, tedious grinds instead

 

in single player games i always pick the hardest difficulty and find that it is often the setting most polished and the way the game is meant to be played

  Magiknight

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4/03/13 11:18:27 PM#215
Originally posted by easy-r

in (good) mmos, the difficulty comes from dealing with enemy players in open world pvp

 

mmos that try make pve challenging are usually frustrating, boring, tedious grinds instead

 

in single player games i always pick the hardest difficulty and find that it is often the setting most polished and the way the game is meant to be played

Don't say a MMO is bad just because you can't handle the PVE. VERY few games have hard PVE. Don't insult what is already almost dead.

  Naowut

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4/03/13 11:21:56 PM#216

When players talk about ''too easy'' they dont want you to nerf our damage and add 50% HP to the enemies, as developers seem to think. That only makes your game, or difficulty setting tedious and not harder.

 

  easy-r

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4/03/13 11:24:06 PM#217
the only mmo with decent pve is dark souls but its really not a mmo and does really come down to learning the tricks, though they arent too tedious and its pretty fun, but again the main threat is enemy players
  Magiknight

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4/03/13 11:32:15 PM#218
Originally posted by easy-r

uhh dont tell me what to do scrub,

 

mmo combat is never complex enough to offer ANY challenge.  straight easy mode.  all it can do is be frustrating instead.  group up with a tank , dps, healer, everyone cycle correctly!!  yeah, that's difficult.    there is no mmo with hard pve.  the only good mmos offer open world pvp with bottable pve.

 

 

Hard PVE starts with being dangerous. There has to be a detah penalty. That way you have to think about who you're going to fight and who you wont fight. The world should be full of monsters that can kill you if you cross their path. You better pay attention. Then you shouldn't be able to do lots of things without a well coordinated group. The group would include people will well defined roles, not the mass hybrids that plague modern MMOs. A tank will only take damage, dps only deal damage, healer will only heal, and support will only support (buffs or what not). You should have to think about when you will use what skills. No more spamming buttons like you're playing street fighter. If people are not cooridnated you all die and there is a penalty. There are / were MMOs with good PVE but they are VERY rare.

 

Open world PVP is fine and good in its own right. PVE is another story.

  nhiscool

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4/03/13 11:53:29 PM#219

If the game is too hard, no one plays, sales don't go through the roof :)

 

People are trying to transform MMORPG's into FPS / Action games with dynasty warrior bullshit where we all run around killing soldiers with our combo attacks -.-

 

When the main reason people play RPG's was for the storyline, and the mmo is for all the other people out there playing it to make us feel better with ourselves for being on a game for 10+ hours lol :D

 

Another thing mmoprgs have been doing is targetting young boys with high graphical titties <_< 

  Ishkal

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4/04/13 12:07:57 AM#220
Well I play all single player games on hard first and if they are good games I go to nightmare and insanity. I' mhere to tell ya they are to freaking easy. The exception starcraft and most good rts buuuut thats because of the huge skill curve u have to coltivate to beat them on that hehe an once yer fast enough and know the trees u can beat 3 nightmare enemies vs u every time. I will say D3 was freakin hard till the noobed it up, but was it real hard? Na it was only hard do to the fact that it restricted the proper gear needed and the mob str/spd was set so high that no matter your skill level you were ment to die. thats not hard its jsut unfair lol. To head peeps off ahead of tiem I was well into act 4 inferno the second week of release : P not complaining just saying it was an easy game adjusted to seem hard when it wasn't. Because now when I do log in I jus yawn pwn cause I got the gear that made the game EASY AS INTENDED!
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